Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas

2012-03-30 Thread Axil Axil
This is a way to turn ANYTHING that you can positive ionize into a metal. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:57 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:18:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Peter Gluck
I hope that Mike MKcKubre who is a realist will let us know IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

RE: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers

2012-03-30 Thread Finlay MacNab
Iwamura's transmutation experiments are very convincing. They confirm their results by three advanced instrumental techniques, secondary ion mass spectrometry(SIMS), x-ray photoelectron spectroscopy(XPS), and x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy (XRF). These three measurements confirming each

Re: [Vo]:New global warming curves show acceleration

2012-03-30 Thread linuxball
Dear Vortex-L readers: Because this is my first post to this group I would like to introduce myself. My background is in communications, electrical engineering, systems theory, systems engineering, software architecture/engineering, and system integration. I got my degree (Dr.-Ing., a Doctorate

Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova

2012-03-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I do suspect that they would change their position and actions quickly if anyone develops a technique that leads to dangerous weaponry. I hope that this will never be possible and most of the evidence points in that

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Te Chung
Gluck, IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter Systems ok. Weakness only by operator. Easy. 10 Plate Heat Exchanger SS304 Copper Brazed 7.5 x 2.9 from

Re: [Vo]:Highly ENRgized C-force ='d by E-force ='s IFO

2012-03-30 Thread Xavier Luminous
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:08 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to  Xavier Luminous's message of Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:56:53 +0200: Hi, [snip] On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:22 PM,  mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to  Xavier Luminous's message of Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:28:25 +0200: Hi, [snip]

Re: [Vo]:Dorito UFO Spotted Again

2012-03-30 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Quite nice video. This kind of video however is very easy to do as frame by frame animation. It may require a lot of algorithmic work, but it is not that difficult to do. There were more photorealistic antigravity nazi-ufos in the Iron Sky movie! There was speculation that it was based on

Re: [Vo]:Dorito UFO Spotted Again

2012-03-30 Thread Xavier Luminous
2012/3/30 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com: Quite nice video. This kind of video however is very easy to do as frame by frame animation. It may require a lot of algorithmic work, but it is not that difficult to do. There were more photorealistic antigravity nazi-ufos in the Iron Sky

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Robert Lynn
The updated Brillouin hypothesis for how the reaction works, interesting reading. Note that they do comment on the reaction reaching a run-away state when the lattice is heavily loaded that overwhelms the local capacity to absorb the energy and results in the release of some neutrons and x-rays -

Re: [Vo]:Dorito UFO Spotted Again

2012-03-30 Thread Robert Lynn
Looks like a stealthy UAV of some sort, accompanied by the sound of an engine. That round patch in the underside could be a radar (like AWACS) or a lift fan such as used by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Aeronautics_X-Hawk There is a huge amount of military RD work done in the middle of

Re: [Vo]:working on elementary antigravity II

2012-03-30 Thread fznidarsic
I have published number papers and gave numerous lectures just search fro my name Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Xavier Luminous xavier.lumin...@googlemail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:working on elementary

Re: [Vo]:New global warming curves show acceleration

2012-03-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
the beginning discourse on science and pseudo science, look like the reflexion of Benoit Rittaud in french skeptic book le mythe climatique. he says that young science begin with merged science and pseudo science, then expulse it like astronomy expulsed astrology. me I prefer the theory of

Re: [Vo]:LINR... Light Inertia Nuclear Reaction?

2012-03-30 Thread LORENHEYER
No you didn't. I saw strange lights therefore aliens /HTML

Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers

2012-03-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Yes, I will pass that on. Thanks to Jed's library I found the orginal journal paper by Iwamura http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IwamuraYelementalaa.pdf and his follow up presentations at the ICCF meetings Kowalski says the work by Iwamura was duplicated by a group led by Akito Takahashi of Osaka

[Vo]:Exciton Spontaneous Coherence

2012-03-30 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-physicists-patterns-state.html excerpt: The force of electric attraction keeps these two objects close together, like an electron and proton in a hydrogen atom. It also enables the exciton to exist as a single particle rather than a non-interacting electron

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread pagnucco
Brillouin's website and the paper describing their theory at - http://www.brillouinenergy.com http://www.brillouinenergy.com/BrillouinEnergyHypothesis.pdf gives more details. I believe that a number of metal alloys are used for hydrogen storage. It makes sense that they do not limit materials to

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Things change. They're [oil companies] going to have to adapt, and if they do, they can come out ahead. There is not much profit to be made for cold fusion fuel, but they can produce the reactors instead. Oil companies have no expertise in

Re: [Vo]:New global warming curves show acceleration

2012-03-30 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Alain Sepeda, ### sorry for the syntactically/orthographically garbled reply ### this is a hopefully cleaned one: --- Von: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 17:58 Freitag, 30.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:New global warming curves show

[Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR?

2012-03-30 Thread pagnucco
There are several prediction markets that allow legal wagers on political, economic, technological, ..., events. The Wikipedia page at - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market - lists and describes them: Prediction markets (also known as predictive markets, information markets, decision

Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR?

2012-03-30 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From pagnucco: ... People who buy low and sell high are rewarded for improving the market prediction, while those who buy high and sell low are punished for degrading the market prediction. Evidence so far suggests that prediction markets are at least as accurate as other institutions

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread David Roberson
I hope that they are real and capable of designing useful devices. Did I misunderstand the report and graph which suggested that they are getting heat output that is only double the input electrical power? If this is true, they must improve the process significantly to compete with DGT.

Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR?

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not know much about prediction markets but this seems like a bad idea because the game is rigged. Whether a Fortune 500 company will announce a product or not is entirely a matter of politics. There are no technical reasons to prevent this from happening. In a sane world, every Fortune 500

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I hope that they are real and capable of designing useful devices. Did I misunderstand the report and graph which suggested that they are getting heat output that is only double the input electrical power? Yes. I believe that report is out of date and

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jarold McWilliams
The world can't run on oil forever, and hopefully it is not going to much longer. Companies like Exxon are going to have to adapt or die. Would you rather the world run on obsolete technologies like sailing ships and steam locomotives just so we can have jobs or a company doesn't go under?

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: The world can't run on oil forever, and hopefully it is not going to much longer. Companies like Exxon are going to have to adapt or die. Of course. And based on the history of business, I predict they will die. Would you rather the world run

[Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Are you saying that oil companies would rather try to hide cold fusion than adapt to it? Yes, I am certain they would. They are trying to hide global warming with the help of the Republican party, with considerable success. Did they pay off

RE: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Mark Goldes
I largely agree with Jed's comments. However, I am an emotional optimist and an intellectual pessimist. The first page of my Aesop website may be of interest. It reads: NASA officials see a likely barrage of solar storms striking Earth’s geomagnetic field. Solar storms large enough to destroy

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
About strength of lobbies things might not be like most people imagine. it is true that oil company are strong lobbies. they kille nuke in US afeter three miles island. but oil is a local product for US, so a kind of protectionism. in france some imagine that nuke is a lobby. not in fact, execpt

[Vo]:Opera boss resign/fired: Finally open mindedness impossible in physic

2012-03-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
http://zeenews.india.com/news/technology/physicist-behind-faster-than-light-test-resigns_767250.html I was happy to see how opera neutrino affair was treated, with cautious open-mindedness. I did not believe in supraluminic neutrinos, but it deserved to be checked. I was thinking, that if FP

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.com wrote: I largely agree with Jed's comments. However, I am an emotional optimist and an intellectual pessimist. I am not optimistic or pessimistic. I have read a great deal of history. I have read and talked to many people who lived through the worst of 20th

Re: [Vo]:Highly ENRgized C-force ='d by E-force ='s IFO

2012-03-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Xavier Luminous's message of Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:32:30 +0200: Hi, [snip] The reason this doesn't happen is not because the Bohr model is impossible. The reason is that a smaller orbit than the ground state would require a change in angular momentum of the electron that is less

[Vo]:Question about Defkalion products page

2012-03-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
Hi, someone cite me todays products page of defkalion,http://www.defkalion-energy.com/products and we notice the COP 6 to 30... Today I notice also the factory place in Xanthi, unemployment reference... I've often get through this page not reading it, to find the specs... does anybody remind if

Re: [Vo]:Opera boss resign/fired: Finally open mindedness impossible in physic

2012-03-30 Thread Jouni Valkonen
It is curious how strongly people believe unbreakability of speed of light barrier for the *information*. 1) There is not a single empirical evidence that would require this fundamental speed limit for information, but it is taken as a priori. This does the philosophy of science backwards, where

Re: [Vo]:Question about Defkalion products page

2012-03-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I've often get through this page not reading it, to find the specs... does anybody remind if the following text is old, or have been modified recently ??? You can try archive.org and see if they have stored a

RE: [Vo]:Highly ENRgized C-force ='d by E-force ='s IFO

2012-03-30 Thread Jones Beene
Robin, Once again you appear to miss the point. The point is that it's not an either/or situationSometimes an electron can take up a Bohr orbit fleetingly, IOW it's not forbidden by the Schrödinger equation The question is, can you prove this statement wrong? This is a good point, and

Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR?

2012-03-30 Thread pagnucco
You make a excellent point, Jed. I have heard accusations that some of these markets may have been manipulated by certain political election campaigns. It probably doesn't require a huge investment to move the odds. However, these markets are probably too small for a major corporation to make

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Jouni Valkonen
There is one thing good to remember that we are not living nowhere near laissez-faire capitalism. If any company would be exposed in any attempt to hinder the development of viable cold fusion technology, it would considered the worst economic crime in the history. And it would lead into huge

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: There is one thing good to remember that we are not living nowhere near laissez-faire capitalism. If any company would be exposed in any attempt to hinder the development of viable cold fusion technology, it would considered the worst economic

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jarold McWilliams
The individuals employed there will be fine. Their energy expenses will be cut by about 10 x. Every item they buy will cost about a 1/4 of what it does now. The way we should reduce unemployment if rossi or defkalion really do have something is to shorten the work week. There is no reason

Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR?

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: And, having odds makers following LENR might generate a lot of public interest. Sure. It sounds like fun. I have no objection whatever to setting up this bet. I am just saying that the issue will be decided by the money people. If they decide to invest

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Harry Veeder
There is also no shortage of things that need doing. There is just a maldistribution of income. Harry On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: The individuals employed there will be fine.  Their energy expenses will be cut by about 10 x.  Every item they

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If you were to change the laws in the US, and you offered a $10 bounty for the heads of women and children, I am certain you would find hundreds of thousands of people who would gleefully go around chasing down, shooting and decapitating innocent people and bayoneting small

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Jarold McWilliams
I am not a republican, and I think global warming is a sham. According to your theories, couldn't global warming just be a ploy to get more money out of consumers? The climate always changes. Even in a worst case scenario predicted by some scientists, it will not end in the apocalypse like

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-30 Thread Jarold McWilliams
Fukishima disaster? How many people died in this disaster? 3 so far, 0 from radiation.How much was the damage to property? How many people died when a renewable energy dam broke? About 1,000 and probably about the same economic damage with the homes washed away. There were also fires