Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
It appears to me that they have most of the possible current levels covered. Why list ranges that include each other? Magnetic fields that are changing in magnitude or direction generate electric fields that can impart energy upon charged particles. A steady magnetic field is not able to

RE: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
In earlier BLP filings - on what constitutes a hydrino catalyst, it turned out to be possible to fit two thirds of the periodic table into their expansive definition. Talk about “over-reaching” … USPTO examiners detest these painfully long and over-reaching applications. Many observers have

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
BLP being real or not, here is something that I find intriguing, http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0507193 QUOTE The Klein-Gordon equation of the hydrogen atom has a low-lying eigenstate, called hydrino state, with square integrable wavefunction. The corresponding spinor solution of Dirac's equation

RE: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
A number of observers have observed this deep Dirac (DDL) layer to be the real source of Mills' hydrino since it is similar in ways - but not the same - and its presence leads to a nuclear reaction. (which is a drastic departure from Mills). See Meulenberg,

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
The interesting for me to note is that the non square integrable feature of the Dirac solution is perhaps a key feature, It can (I'm not an expert) mean that you generally do not see single live hydrinos but clusters of hydrogen that take advantage of x number of hydrino states to keep the cluster

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread pagnucco
Axil wrote: On bottom of page 165 and the top page 166, is that a description of a Papp engine that I see? I thought that the Papp engine was open source. I don't think so. No mention of noble gases. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:59 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The BLP website is

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread pagnucco
David Roberson wrote: It appears to me that they have most of the possible current levels covered. Why list ranges that include each other? Agreed. Highly redundant. Magnetic fields that are changing in magnitude or direction generate electric fields that can impart energy upon charged

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
Does the relative mass of a hydrino increase with each reduced orbital radius due to the increase angular momentum of the orbiting electron?

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
the first Papp patent(1970s) was based on water vapor, it was the second patent (1980s) that was based on noble gases. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:39 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Axil wrote: On bottom of page 165 and the top page 166, is that a description of a Papp engine that I

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Stefan, I have been citing that paper in blogs since 2009.. and intriguing is an understatement.. the idea that the hydrogen loaded into a lattice of bulk powder can be relativistic while sitting still on a lab bench surly must be unphysical?? There is no gravity well or

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
Actually, the mass of the hydrino should be reduced since it has less energy than zero level hydrogen. That energy and hence mass has been lost to the catalyst. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 16,

[Vo]:Some ECAT Model Observations

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
I spent a bit of time adjusting some of the parameters of my thermal control ECAT model and have a few observations. I suppose that it seems obvious that the greater the non linearity of the function binding core power generation to core temperature, the more critical will be the required

RE: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Short answer. No one other than Mills can see them :-) and he's not letting anyone borrow his hydrinoscope. Anyway, from the perspective of common sense, why would Mills not claim that (since energy has been given up with reduced orbitals), there would be a slight mass decrease in what can

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan interviews McKubre about Brillouin

2014-01-16 Thread AlanG
What McKubre neglected to mention but has been disclosed by Brillouin is the design of their gas-phase system. They're working on a fluidized-bed reactor with Nickel nano particles on ceramic beads, suspended in flowing hydrogen. It's unclear how they apply the Q-pulse to such a non-conductive

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread pagnucco
Terry Blanton wrote: Does the relative mass of a hydrino increase with each reduced orbital radius due to the increase angular momentum of the orbiting electron? That seems to be the only conclusion possible. However, I do not know whether BLP's theory is correct or not, but I do not care. I

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread pagnucco
David Roberson wrote: Actually, the mass of the hydrino should be reduced since it has less energy than zero level hydrogen. That energy and hence mass has been lost to the catalyst. Dave Well, yes - that should happen, if Mills' theory is correct. I guess I should retract a previous

RE: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com BTW, an interesting paper illustrating how powerful these fields can get in nanocircuits is - Optical generation of intense ultrashort magnetic pulses at the nanoscale http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6072 The underlying suggestion, which we

RE: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread pagnucco
Jones, This sounds quite plausible. Experiments will decide. -- LP Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com BTW, an interesting paper illustrating how powerful these fields can get in nanocircuits is - Optical generation of intense ultrashort magnetic

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Comments to the article. Of cause, the singlarity is in origo (facepalms). The dirac spinors will be some kind of delta measures with structure so that the delta measures cancels for the hydrino solution. Don't know how stable and achiavable this is, probably someone with deeper knowledge need

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Increasing the probability back to 35% based on the latest news coming out of BLP and McKubre. Hopefully we'll see some more encouraging things soon. The next indie report on the ecat should be an interesting inflection report. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Blaze Spinnaker

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Foks0904 .
Increasing the probability back to 35% based on the latest news coming out of BLP and McKubre. Yesterday you were complaining about how stupid BLP and McKubre/Brillouin are and how annoying they were behaving. Now you see value in these reports, why? And you associate them with Rossi, why?

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
Blaze, you sound like a bookie. Are you the one calling the shots in that game? Is anyone actually making bets according to your inputs? How liquid are the bets and can someone get into a position and then out again without delay? How is the money handled? If someone had bought a position

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
John, it does seem rather arbitrary how his game works and hopefully he can help me understand it better. Does anyone actually risk capital on this issue? I have seen plenty of proof that Rossi has the real deal and I can not imagine how additional proof will make a difference to many others.

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:39:32 +: Hi Fran, [snip] Hydrinos have never been observed directly and only occur inside the metal lattice where geometry dictates. This is just wrong. The most common signature of Hydrino reactions is usually detected in

Re: [Vo]:Some ECAT Model Observations

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:36:12 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] My model can use any function that I choose for this purpose with the exception of delay mechanisms. I suppose that they could also be incorporated if there is a good reason to believe that they are

Re: [Vo]:Some ECAT Model Observations

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
I guess I should have mentioned that I do include thermal storage within the materials. This behaves much like a capacitor and charge. That is what determines the time domain characteristics of my model. I was referring to a different type of delay, such as one that might show up if the

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
So, Dave, I guess you're at .. what? 95%? 90%? On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: John, it does seem rather arbitrary how his game works and hopefully he can help me understand it better. Does anyone actually risk capital on this issue? I have

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
How does Mills theory distinguish been orbitals in a atom verses orbitals in small atomic Rydberg cluster of 10 atoms or less. I say the Mills experiments can't. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:56 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:39:32

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The next indie report on the ecat should be an interesting inflection report. Okay, indie means independent. As in an indie movie festival. That took me a while to translate from rad-speak to stan-Eng. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
At what exactly? State the conditionals in 10 pages or less. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: So, Dave, I guess you're at .. what? 95%? 90%? On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: John, it does seem rather

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
That last years independent (thx jed!) report was accurate and it's caused by nuclear rather than some sort of chemical reaction or hidden wires. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At what exactly? State the conditionals in 10 pages or less. On Thu, Jan 16,

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
At this point I would have to be shown iron clad evidence that the ECAT does not generate additional heat beyond what is used for drive. That would have to fall into the upper 90's. Dave -Original Message- From: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
What I find fascinating is you guys probably think I'm a downer for saying 35%. But the reality is 99% of the scientific world probably thinks I'm a total crank for putting that much faith into Rossi. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: At this point I

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
You are lucky in that case. The odds are in your favor and you should be able to obtain a position for next to nothing. Scalp em. Dave -Original Message- From: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 4:33 pm Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Foks0904 .
*What I find fascinating is you guys probably think I'm a downer for saying 35%. * *But the reality is 99% of the scientific world probably thinks I'm a total crank for putting that much faith into Rossi.* I'm more interested to know how you arrived at that number. By factoring in totally

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
but you seem to want to make a centerpiece of your arbitrary assessment and no one can figure out why Not at all. I have a history of successfully making such 'arbitrary' assessments based on speculation / gossip / rumours / second hand information .. generally by measuring the credibility of

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Foks0904 .
*Which leads me to my next question.. What would your estimate be? Probably more interesting than mine.* Mine's not any more interesting, or any more legitimate. You're the pro, not me. But neither is subject to the scientific method, so I don't think either can be ranked in any meaningful way.

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I have a history of successfully making such 'arbitrary' assessments based on speculation / gossip / rumours / second hand information .. generally by measuring the credibility of the individuals that I gather such information from. That

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
I think the more people actively engaged in this pursuit probably shows that there might be something that there that they are collectively chasing. Each of them isn't very credible, but the whole science is discredited so it's not too surprising that its taking rogue actors to make progress.

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:26:06 -0500: Hi, How does Mills theory distinguish been orbitals in a atom verses orbitals in small atomic Rydberg cluster of 10 atoms or less. I say the Mills experiments can't. [snip] Rydberg atoms don't have multiple energy levels and

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:31:31 +: Hi, [snip] 2. Solutions to Klein Gordon equations is most probably a combination of spinor states for which the thick tails cancels. This may mean that you can have a hydrino state, but it's basically impossible to

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:06:10 -0500: Hi, [snip] Does the relative mass of a hydrino increase with each reduced orbital radius due to the increase angular momentum of the orbiting electron? According to Mills, the angular momentum and mass of the electron

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:38:01 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Actually, the mass of the hydrino should be reduced since it has less energy than zero level hydrogen. That energy and hence mass has been lost to the catalyst. Not all the energy is lost to the

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:45:35 -0800: Hi, [snip] Short answer. No one other than Mills can see them :-) and he's not letting anyone borrow his hydrinoscope. Actually there have been several (quasi) independent replications. Anyway, from the perspective of

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
Don't you mean to say that Rydberg clusters don't have multiple energy levels and characteristic transition energies, which are seen in Hydrino experiments? On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:08 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:26:06 -0500: Hi,

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
Fractional spin and charge is a result of delocalization of the electron in strongly correlated systems. The spin and charge seem to wander away from the electron in condensed matter systems. This fractional spin and charge delocalization causes problems in chemistry associated with the

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread David Roberson
I mentioned the energy lost to the catalyst when I actually meant to include all of the various sinks. The main point I was intending to make is that energy and thus the mass associated with that energy exits the hydrino. I have one idea as to how that loss of mass may be distributed among

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
If the spin and charge leave the elctron, what happens to the orbit and energy of the electron. Remember that he quantum properties of the electron can be separated(delocalized) into separate quasiparticles: spin, charge, and orbit. Does that complicate understanding experimental findings that

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:55 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Yes. Once established the large current densities generate huge magnetic fields circulating the current flow, or equivalently a magnetic vector potential field pointing in current flow direction. If the current suddenly stops,

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-01-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: But the reality is 99% of the scientific world probably thinks I'm a total crank for putting that much faith into Rossi. If not that, they would surely think you're a crank for being on this list. Personally, I

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread pagnucco
Eric Walker wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:55 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Yes. Once established the large current densities generate huge magnetic fields circulating the current flow, or equivalently a magnetic vector potential field pointing in current flow direction. If the

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:02 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Hairy metal laser show produces bright X-Rays -- Setting metallic wires on fire creates a bright X-Ray glow http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/hairy-metal-laser-show-produces-bright-x-rays/ Thank you, Lou, for the

Re: [Vo]:Observation on a BLP (patent?) document

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
He discounts the idea that the experiments mentioned in the article could be translated into fusion research, since there are likely to be some problems getting hydrogen or deuterium to grow in thin, long hairs, Why do you think that Rossi put hairs on his micro-particles...it was to get the