Re: [Vo]:Problem with glare at Ivanpah CSP plant
Jed, Does it count as a kill if there is no evidence left? Ivanpah employees and OLE staff noticed that close to the periphery of the tower and within the reflected solar field area, streams of smoke arise when an object crosses the solar flux fields aimed at the tower. Ivanpah employees use the term 'streamers' to characterize this occurrence. When OLE staff visited the Ivanpah Solar plant, we observed many streamer events. It is claimed that these events represent the combustion of loose debris, or insects. Although some of the events are likely that, there were instances in which the amount of smoke produced by the ignition could only be explained by a larger flammable biomass such as a bird. Indeed, OLE staff observed birds entering the solar flux and igniting, consequently becoming a streamer. OLE staff observed an average of one streamer event every two minutes. It appeared that the streamer events occurred more frequently within the 'cloud' area adjacent to the tower. Therefore we hypothesize that the 'cloud' has a very high temperature that is igniting all material that traverses its field. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/04/concentrating-solar-power-under-fire-glaring-planning-oversight-or-easily-remedied-issue QUOTES [Clifford Ho of Sandia National Laboratories’ Concentrating Solar Technologies Department says] “I believe some of the glare that’s being viewed is taking place when the heliostats are in a standby mode.” During peak daylight hours, it is common for a number of heliostat mirrors to be taken offline to prevent heliostats from directing more thermal energy to the turbine than it is capable of receiving. Ho said that during standby, these heliostats are focused on aim points next to the receiver, forming a ring of glare above the tower. According to Ho, the sunlight reflected from heliostats that are in standby mode could be having an exacerbating effect on the amount of reflection being emitted. In examining photos of the glare taken by passengers flying over the Ivanpah plant, Ho said it’s apparent to him the intense light is emanating from the heliostats not in use. “You can clearly see the difference between what’s just the diffuse reflection from the towers versus one or more heliostats that are in standby mode and reflecting light toward the observer.” Ho has performed helicopter surveys of heliostats in standby mode at Sandia National Laboratories’ National Solar Thermal Test Facility. “It’s bright,” he said, emphasizing that the Sandia CSP array is much smaller than that of Ivanpah. “When you’re close, it can be like looking into the sun.” . . . One possible solution, as suggested by Ho, is to reposition heliostats that are in standby mode so that they stand vertically — thus reflecting the glare toward the ground instead of upward. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Problem with glare at Ivanpah CSP plant
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Does it count as a kill if there is no evidence left? When OLE staff visited the Ivanpah Solar plant, we observed many streamer events. It is claimed that these events represent the combustion of loose debris, or insects. Although some of the events are likely that, there were instances in which the amount of smoke produced by the ignition could only be explained by a larger flammable biomass such as a bird. . . . That is distressing yet somehow hilarious, similar to Arthur Clarke's story about the referee who met that fate. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Problem with glare at Ivanpah CSP plant
Humans are Cruel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkNDc_FoiU On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Does it count as a kill if there is no evidence left? When OLE staff visited the Ivanpah Solar plant, we observed many streamer events. It is claimed that these events represent the combustion of loose debris, or insects. Although some of the events are likely that, there were instances in which the amount of smoke produced by the ignition could only be explained by a larger flammable biomass such as a bird. . . . That is distressing yet somehow hilarious, similar to Arthur Clarke's story about the referee who met that fate. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook … the size of the Z point or line [1D interface] must be pretty small, between the proton size and the Heisenberg dimension of about 10^-35 cm. It may be that the wave of the proton is such that it can fit inside the dimension of the single line of the Dirac sea and become a virtual charge, combine with an electron and hence pop out of the constrained sea (line) as an H with lots of extra energy. -- That is an intuitive way to look at the detail of how this extra dimensional modality could happen with protons. With a deuteron instead of a proton, and especially with the Mizuno experiment, the same M.O. seems to be not quite as elegant at first glance - but obviously, having both an electron and a positron transfer into 3-space from the Dirac sea provides a way to have two protons appear in place of one deuteron - and retain conservation of charge at the same time with more net energy. Unlike most observers of LENR, I'm of the firm opinion that there can exist several if not many modalities for gain happening at the same time in any experiment - of which the Dirac sea modality is but one. It seems to work better for hydrogen than for deuterium, on paper- however, the more one thinks about the sea in the context of Mizuno - the better the whole hypothesis sounds. There are so few satisfactory ways to explain what looks like deuterium fission, that this one could be the best. It would be very helpful to know that Mizuno's result (of deuterium splitting into two protons) was repeatable by another group - and to know exactly how much radiation is seen. I am assuming that some radiation is seen but that it is highly disproportional to the thermal output. If radiation (or transmutation) is not highly disproportional, then there could be several routes to gain in the Mizuno experiment. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
It struck me that if quarks exist within the confines of a volume for hadrons--protons, neutrons etc.--then why not other virtual particles within a linear space? The Dirac sea seems to fit this definition of a linear space also with virtual particles--like a linear particle. Even the skeptics should be able to accept Dirac's idea. It may even have a bigger variety of virtual particles for potential reactions over and above that offered by a neutron and protons in hot fusion. The force fields--gravity, electrostatic, magnetic--may tend to line up the linear Dirac sea along a preferred angular momentum, spin, direction and hence facilitate the reaction of the Dirac sea with real particles, also aligned with the preferred direction. The statistics of such interactions would be good to know. Intense fields may also squeeze the Dirac sea to a smaller dimension and hence make the momentum of its virtual particles greater, consistent with the uncertainty principle. A knowledge of the spectrum of energy and momentum of the particles coming out of the sea would allow further understanding the relation of external field strength to the effective size of the Dirac sea via the Uncertainty Principle. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:28 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen -Original Message- From: Bob Cook … the size of the Z point or line [1D interface] must be pretty small, between the proton size and the Heisenberg dimension of about 10^-35 cm. It may be that the wave of the proton is such that it can fit inside the dimension of the single line of the Dirac sea and become a virtual charge, combine with an electron and hence pop out of the constrained sea (line) as an H with lots of extra energy. -- That is an intuitive way to look at the detail of how this extra dimensional modality could happen with protons. With a deuteron instead of a proton, and especially with the Mizuno experiment, the same M.O. seems to be not quite as elegant at first glance - but obviously, having both an electron and a positron transfer into 3-space from the Dirac sea provides a way to have two protons appear in place of one deuteron - and retain conservation of charge at the same time with more net energy. Unlike most observers of LENR, I'm of the firm opinion that there can exist several if not many modalities for gain happening at the same time in any experiment - of which the Dirac sea modality is but one. It seems to work better for hydrogen than for deuterium, on paper- however, the more one thinks about the sea in the context of Mizuno - the better the whole hypothesis sounds. There are so few satisfactory ways to explain what looks like deuterium fission, that this one could be the best. It would be very helpful to know that Mizuno's result (of deuterium splitting into two protons) was repeatable by another group - and to know exactly how much radiation is seen. I am assuming that some radiation is seen but that it is highly disproportional to the thermal output. If radiation (or transmutation) is not highly disproportional, then there could be several routes to gain in the Mizuno experiment.
