Don't forget the electric car in the garage.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The BLOOM BOX
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/411/
I think Bloom Energy is looking to
The thing's huge! And add the fuel tank too. Not practical for a car.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The BLOOM BOX
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Rick Monteverde r
Maybe they just don't like the sun in their face?
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:23 AM
To: Vortex
Subject: [Vo]:Magnetic alignment in grazing and resting cattle and deer
Apparently it's true!
/
- Rick Monteverde
Honolulu, HI
The gravity from mass always has a component of divergence, but linear
acceleration doesn't. Am I correct to think that is one of the reasons
equivalent is used instead of identical?
R.
-Original Message-
From: itsat...@gmail.com [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexander
Terry -
Looks to me like the force from a giant impactor (or the lifting tide of a near
miss with a large body) might have almost broken the moon in half, but the two
sides of the enormous fissure slapped back together from gravity, raising a
ridge. (Bet Harold Edgerton would have loved to get
The term gyration is given as a synonym for rotation sometimes, but I think
of gyration and rotation as different things. I think gyration is just
something following a circular path in at least 2 dimensions and is in fact
a form of linear motion. True rotation happens when something shows a
Blank page.
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From: R.C.Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [VO]: Ancient vortex
Howdy Vorts,
Surprised me when I saw this on MSNBC. They describe the pic taken from
space as a depression natural formed
but... do
...at least until 2012 anyway (had to get the thread right with the subject
line).
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:20 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The End is Near
We'll probably be cookin' with gas
If humans are causing the current apparent warming trend, maybe we've done
it before? Fossils, cores, and other evidence (legends, ancient records well
known to some Vortexians) shows that the earth has warmed and cooled
substantially and perhaps rather suddenly quite a few times over the last
few
While it's certainly not proof, for many years after nuke came on the scene
at the end of the 19th century, even top scientists were certain that we
would never be able to extract usable energy from it. How times have
changed. I guess the danger is in the pattern.
- Rick
-Original
I bet the joints (nodes) in crop grasses feel the same sensation when that
happens. Makes 'em want to just kneel to the ground.
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Al
1. We're all children of the Mu.
2. A gambler goes into a casino with $1000, plays for a while, then counts
up and finds he has $1300. I'm winning he says, and it's because of my
lucky troll doll.
3. A failed presidential candidate goes into an auditorium and plays a movie
he made about melting
Robin -
As the temperature rises, more water evaporates.
This is a positive feedback loop. The effect of
the CO2 is thus leveraged by water vapor.
..and then it rains. Big moderator to the loop.
To make matters worse, the tundra is melting too,
and also yielding up both CO2 and CH4 (another
I'm putting this back on the forum, hope you don't mind
Dangerous video. g Couches some myths and glaring omissions very well, not
to mention the hypocrisies: I especially liked the one where we had no
choice but to go all out - - ***on the CHANCE the enemy was developing
WMD!*** OMG, don't
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: The last few decades have shown us that the
current trend ...
Please see statement #2 in my original post. I made it in part to show
there's no such thing as a current trend. You may say some figures show it
has warmed and perhaps indeed it has, just like the guy in
Kyle, you *know* a breakthrough on propulsion would be one of my all time
favorite things, but just playing devil's advocate for a moment, how much
was spent on that project and what, if anything, came of it?
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: Kyle Mcallister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Natural gold reefs (prospectors dream of them in vivid living color) are
generally thought to occur as a result of bacteria colonies that at the very
least concentrated the element from solution in flowing water. Maybe they
mutated the Au out of other elements, who knows. There's also a weed that
Per the Nick Palmer experiments, I wonder if toner carts get lighter when
you shake them up?
- R.
Jacques -
Basic principles: In addition to any wedge effect from the lower surface,
it's the air over the wing. It gets thrown downward. The cute part is in why
it sticks to the wing surface well enough to follow the downward curve. The
answer is in the Van der Waals forces. Some of those might
There's a significant third player in the evolution/creationism game, and
it's not intelligent design. Lateral gene transfer and high complexity in
ancient lines are probably the main clues. Here's the link, and no, it isn't
a porn site:
http://www.panspermia.com
- R.
Aw c'mon, it's just RedEye. Funny stuff meant to annoy and entertain. This
line's actually pretty good: It's not that I don't believe in UFOs, it's
just that I don't need the unknown to complicate matters. That might seem
to cyncial, but let's say everyone did take UFO reports very, very
Cold fusion .for the first time in decades?
http://gizmodo.com/393119/scientist-creates-cold-fusion-for-the-first-time-i
n-decades
Don't forget the comments below, one or two are kinda funny.
- Rick
Nick -
This idea does not come from Strieber, it's just him echoing it. It's been
all over for some time now from numerous articles and references from
individual researchers to National Geographic, etc. Of course the solar
system is heating up. Maybe it's friction from torsion domain axes
The caption says the images has been sharpened. Those rectilinear wormy
features all over everything come from the processing. Probably just a small
patch of high contrast from a rock and its shadow that got overprocessed.
See if you can find the raw image for comparison with the processed one.
Here on this island, there is this wonderful black box...
R.
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention
snip
It's an easy proof that in an infinite
I don't like to play amateur moderator, and you can correctly say that I
have no business either. It's just selfish: I enjoy the posts from the
participants here, want them to stay, and I can tell the conversation is
just this close to where people begin to leave in a huff or get put in the
They sent in samples to labs already. Prelim results to be announced Friday,
according to the video report.
And what's the difference between a bigfoot and a skunk ape or swamp ape
anyway? That looks like the old skunk ape to me. I guess the DNA results
will tell us for sure. g
What I find
Sounds scary. But why are sea ice levels still reported to be so low in the
arctic if it's getting colder? Why is NOAA saying this July was the 9th
warmest globally on record?
http://www.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080815_ncdc.html What do sunspots have to
do with global climate? Noctilucent clouds
of the answer to this question, what is the
advantage of being so angry about the debate? Reducing the use of fossil
fuel has great advantage regardless of its contribution to CO2. So, what is
the point of fighting this process?
Ed
On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Sounds
supports a government
that bankrupts the country. We are now on this path. I suggest you pick you
battles more carefully because unless we take a different path, you and many
other people will pay a very dear price.
Ed
On Sep 4, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Ed -
My information
Jed -
That's preposterous.
If you wish. It's also a fact. It's inherent in how the math works.
If that were true, weather forecasting computer programs would not work.
You are correct. You've heard of Lorenz, of course. The programs only work
for a very brief time before their results
What heresy is this? Computer models being misapplied on a controversial
subject to back a position not supported by actual evidence observed in the
real world?
Is it just me, or is it getting warmer in here?
- Rick
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From: R C Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday,
/LENR results. Oh wait, that's what I'm saying about the cause of
the warming we see. Ok, maybe not so bad after all.
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:26 AM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Sunspotless
Rick
Never said there was no warming, I said we didn't do it and that we're not
capable of doing anything practical to change it.
Stephen, add your name to the list of those who choose to ignore the actual
content of my posts and are willing to recast them as if they were
completely different
: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sunspotless
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Never said there was no warming, I said we didn't do it and that we're
not capable of doing anything practical to change
I'm not missing your point Ed, I'm agreeing with it and I believe I said so.
And fortunately, it does not require that we support Gore to develop
alternative energy. I will disagree with you there if you insist that's so,
but that is purely a political debate, which it is not my intention to
Jed: I am saying that both are based upon the same knowledge of
atmospheric physics that knowledge is demonstrably impressive. When you say
that the hypothesis cannot possibly be right and the experts ought to know
better, I say that's chutzpah, it is insufferable, and it irks me!
C'mon Jed,
-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Sunspotless
To summarize my point about chutzpah, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Never said there was no warming, I said we didn't do it and that we're
not capable of doing anything practical to change it.
You can say this without irking me and other conventionally-minded
Robin -
Well and concisely put.
I only take issue with #3 because of the assumptions that we should be
trying to interfere with the situation, and that warming is necessarily a
bad thing in the long run. Used to be a lot warmer, and for a very long
time.
I say let nature handle the climate.
A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sunspotless
Rick Monteverde wrote:
I'm sorry, I'll respond from now on only when spoken to directly. My bad.
Sorry if it sounded like I thought you shouldn't have
Models grouping towards NOLA now. This is just harsh!
- Rick
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo] Sunspotless
Rick Monteverde wrote:
snip
Nick -
The skeptics point to those three things because those things correctly
expose the serious problems AGW has - a lack of evidence for CO2 as a cause
for warming.
1) there has been warming
...and cooling. And warming. Etc. (I figured you meant currently since human
CO2 contribution, but
Vaccination for political label in development, CDC to issue mandatory
inoculations soon. Everyone can visualize their favorite political target in
the tag.
Maybe this was discussed a bit on the forum before, but political prisoners
in soviet Russia were claimed to have a specific treatable
Nick -
you simply cannot keep stating what you have said previously and retain
any credibility.
With you, perhaps, and that doesn't concern me a bit. The position I take is
based on my and others' interpretation of the facts, and I'll stand on that.
Lindzen is entitled to his opinion, as are
Lead poisoning.
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From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vaccination for political label in development, CDC to
issue mandatory inoculations soon
... did Gandhi have gondii ?
Nick -
Nick You claim to have interpreted the facts but your postings reveal
that you are not looking at facts, you are looking at what the deniers tell
you are the facts - these people are lying to you - frequently,
relentlessly, blatantly. /Nick
Where the heck are you getting that from my
Michel Good points Horace, but note Rick doesn't deny global warming,
he only disputes the anthropogenic explanation for some reason (maybe he
owns oil fields or something?) /Michel
Thanks, I guess, but my reasons were also clearly posted. You mean my
motivation? I'm an alien. Didn't you see The
Horace -
If you don't think it's relevant, then you don't think you know exactly
what's driving it (and you'd be right), and therefore you couldn't possibly
know where it would go if you tried driving it yourself. But Horace, if you
*know* that you *can* predict and even steer an immense chaotic
Nick -
Yes, I believe that right should be taken away. Responsibilities
outweigh rights.
We can debate and disagree and be sarcastic and so forth on a forum like
this. But to really declare for taking down the voices of dissent, you've
placed yourself in a very special category, and I promise
Steven -
No such insinuation was made or implied by me, but you go on and on as if I
had, leading inevitably to the conclusion that I don't know what I was
talking about, which of course discredits the position I have taken on this
issue. Is this what you call an intellectually honest discussion?
Jed This analogy is flawed. Predicting climate change in the future is
like predicting the overall trend of the market.
Predicting climate change in the future is like predicting the overall trend
of the market. This analogy is flawed.
- Rick
Jed -
Chaos and complexity are two separate and unrelated characteristics.
Well, they're separate anyway. A chaotic system could be very simple and
still have very complex outputs. Or it might have simple and much more
predictable outputs. Depends on the structure, but not necessarily the
planet
is being venusiaformed. (Okay, I laugh too. heh)
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Rick Monteverde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michel Good points Horace, but note Rick doesn't deny global
warming,
he only disputes the anthropogenic explanation for some reason
(maybe he owns oil fields
Jed -
Chaos and complexity are two separate and unrelated characteristics.
Sorry, I may have misunderstood your point. You meant that the complexity of
a chaotic system's underlying structure versus the complexity of its range
of outputs is not related? Those two can be very divergent in
I volunteer at a polling place (Honolulu). Started doing that after the 2000
election to try to keep all that Florida style craziness from happening
here. Most people here have the idea that those machines are junk and vote
paper. Last election I think we had about 6 voters use the machine out of
Jed -
environmentalists have no influence over oil companies.
You're making a joke here, right? Then who was it behind implementing all
our laws reflecting environmental concerns re pipelines transport,
available drilling locations offshore and otherwise, refinery locations,
construction and
Jed -
No responsible fossil fuel industry experts or decision-makers disagree
with these laws.
So oil industry experts and decision makers agree with the offshore drilling
ban, for instance? Do they agree with this new phony-Pelosi
drill-'em-where-they-aint law? Or do they agree that the
Jed -
You seem to believe some widespread propaganda regarding oil and energy.
I suggest you read some books about the subject written by experts who
have no political agenda, such as Deffeyes. Also, I suggest you spend
some
time reviewing the data at the Energy Information
Even Nick Palmer wrote:
.. Actually it was environmentalists snip
Thanks, that was my point. Why they do it is another subject.
- Rick
Jed wrote
Republicans thought it stank. The vote was:
Democrats 140 Yea, 95 Nay
Republicans 65 Yea, 133 Nay
More to the point snip
Even more to the point, voters are liking it about 10:1 against. So who's
doing the representin' here?
And Jeff is right, twice. Dems have the majority, no
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From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Jed -
They should magically impose their will on the party if they honestly
believe it is good
Jed -
So the books are over your head, huh? I'm still just trying to catch up with
the concept of chimps wanting to critique their own digital images. Perhaps
they'd like to edit them too? Might be interesting to see which monkey-parts
they would decide to enhance.
- Rick
-Original
Jones -
It appears from your message that you are saying that you think Cheney might
want to attempt to do harm to our new president through contacts in the
Secret Service. Ok, I guess *anything* is technically possible. Actually I
think I saw the essential parts of that plot on a really bad
Probably just lizzies offloading beer and barbeque sauce for the big Equinox
party in 2012. Hope we're not on the menu!
Specifically, documents revealing a list of Non-terrestrial officers
and off-world cargo operations somewhere out in space, hinting at the
real possibility of military
Have I got this right? - The 2012 alignment with the plane of the galaxy is
NOT and alignment of our solar system crossing the plane as it swings above
and below. That crossing happened thousands of years ago and we're now
'above' it heading further away from the plane. The alignment is actually
My first thought when hearing about the From 43 to 44 envelope he found in
his desk.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:31 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:New Era of Openness
snip I wonder if BO will give us
Steven -
Not so much striking out and hating is heard on that show (if any) -
specific political opposition to liberalism is. But you wouldn't know that
unless you listened.
Far worse than completely miscasting RL's statements is your attempting to
create equivalence between regular Limbaugh
Jed -
You may not agree with him, but you cannot accuse him of hiding his agenda
or views.
Synchronicity in action: At the very moment I read those words of yours
above I was listening to the recording of Charlie Rose and Tom Brokaw
discussing how nobody knows where he really is philosophically
I ever tell you the one about recovering lumber from the wonderful old
growth sunken logs down in an Amazon basin region flooded by a dam project
lake? South America should have been a clue. Good thing it was only
pennies.
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks
Jed -
I think we've got to have this - when it's ready for prime time. It has to
be fair such as taking into account fuel efficiency as you mentioned, and
also be able to maintain privacy. That last one I think is the killer for
extensions of systems like this for now, but it should be
This is a troll, right?
Glorious examples of Socialism's successes please?
Thought so.
-Original Message-
From: grok [mailto:g...@resist.ca]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:05 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?
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Hash:
Experiment on Beneviste claim RE altering the properties of pure water
through EM excitation:
http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/full/20/1/23
While failing to confirm any effects by informing water through the
application of EM signals, the problem of experimenter effects did make an
appearance.
Jed -
Jindal's comments are an example of the lingering anti-technology,
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration and the Republican
Party. Unfortunately, there is a lot of this attitude in the rest of
A demagogue takes things out of context and twists them, weaving truthful
content
Rapa Nui, a few generations ago: Keep carving that basalt, citizens. Your
intellectually superior rulers know that the only way to get out of this
crisis is to spend the last of our strength and dimensionally significant
forest resources in carving out and dragging these giant Tikis to the other
Jed -
... you are not familiar with modern volcano monitoring.
Not that you would know anything about me or the ideas and interests I've
discussed here all these years, but do you even consider where I live, who I
have worked with here, and what I live ON? (Hint: I'll spot you a 'v', an
'o',
Random thought: Americans are largely Sino phobic. Maybe that's useful: a
cold fusion gap with the Chicoms. We must catch up! Not being entirely
facetious here. I know the media dumps on LENR, but they really have ZER0
loyalty to any position they seem to be taking. It's whatever works for them
at
am talking here only about volcano monitoring.
Rick Monteverde and Jindal may be correct about the overall recovery plan. I
have not looked at it. For all I know, it could be 90% pork and wasted
money on unnecessary functions of government. Naturally I understand that
some people favor government
to mess around with.
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:40 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Happy Easter (island), and keep your volcanoes clean
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Instead we cripple ourselves
Thomas -
What planet are you living on Jed? Did you hear the news?
Pakistan (100 nukes) is being over run by Al Queda, Iran
has enough material to build one, and they just launched a satellite.
Well, at least Obama's not really a socialist, it's just opportunistic
political opponents telling
Grok killfile
Useless troll, no contribution whatsoever - typical megalomaniac problems.
Request removal by list owner.
-Original Message-
From: grok [mailto:g...@resist.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Author believes energy
turmoil.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:25 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Cc: bi...@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Author believes energy breakthroughs have been suppressed
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Useless troll, no contribution
Two seemingly similar but completely different situations. In LENR there is
good evidence of heat and nuclear processes evolving from singular
experiments where the parameters are well known and easily contained. On the
other hand, there is no evidence whatsoever that humans have the ability in
Stephen:
... Rick, you're of the opinion that things have gotten hotter ...
Please insert may (have gotten hotter), since it seems to be a trend,
although trends in complex dynamical systems are notoriously untrustworthy.
Jed:
The planet's weather is less complex than a bacterium? Funny
Are are you the guy who writes copy for the labels on Dr. Bronner's castille
soap?
- R
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From: Harbach Jak [mailto:ja.harc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:32 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Tribute~2-Hawking~*~Newton left hitch-hiking~;-) ConceptCraft
Remember the claims about sprouting plants tending to lean to center when
grown above a spinning mass? If you ever suspected that spinning certain
things (bismuth, brass, superconducting rings or discs, etc.) might cause
some anomalous gravity-like effects, the experiment below might look pretty
Horace -
That's what I was thinking too, but wouldn't those dangly things on his
table lamp serve to indicate air flow? They look rather heavy, but also look
like they hang loose enough to indicate a fairly small breeze.
R.
---
By use of air flow directed by a large orifice
There are several videos. In one he says that people have complained that
the lamp beside the disc has a coil or something in it and he picks it,
turns it over, peels off the back to show inside it. The lamp has dangling
glass or plastic decorative parts that swing and move easily.
My impression
Fellow time traveller:
Went to the hardware chain store here the other day to get a bag of plaster.
They didn't have any, and the clerk wasn't even really sure what it was and
got suspicious - asked what I wanted it for. I should have told her I was a
terrorist and I was going to jump on a subway
plaster, or concrete plaster?
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Rick Monteverde
r...@highsurf.com wrote:
Fellow time traveller:
Went to the hardware chain store here the other day to get
a bag of plaster.
They didn't have any, and the clerk wasn't even really sure what
Ha ha - showing your age - still harboring notions of privacy, I see.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:check this out..someone is doing a lot of
work collecting this
Yes, unless during the process the elements in motion somehow tap an energy
source. Fraudulently done with coils or a directed stream of air from stage
left. More interestingly achieved with temperature differences, or other
less obvious sources - variations in electric charge from the air and
This is interesting, and it sounds like oriented water.
The resilience may be in the vertical range, but there may be variablilty of
friction in the horizontal domain, one that might be influenced with a broom
(or electric charge?).
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder
Rhong -
Thanks for posting that. I have blocked the troll directly via email filter
and yet I constantly wade through the debris left behind when otherwise
responsible forum members attempt to answer or correct the troll's
nonsense posts. Please note that this forum is archived online, and this
Good call, Frank.
- Rick
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From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:send Bill B some money for putting up with a lot
I did.
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Huge
for putting up with a lot
Does anyone remember the Paypal or Amazon links to donate?
Terry
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rick Monteverde
r...@highsurf.com wrote:
Good call, Frank.
- Rick
From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com
For a fresh scientific angle on the numerous inconsistencies in Darwinism:
http://www.panspermia.com
I love garage floor 'experiments'. g
The effects you describe are from recombination though, right?
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. [mailto:hoyt.stea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Compression and
Jed wrote:
If you would like to argue that salt or CO2 in the wrong places in the
wrong amounts are not pollutants, let's see some reasons.
Wait a minute!
- Anthropogenic contributions of CO2 to the atmosphere is warming earth's
climate (and we're at the tipping point now, etc.) If you say
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