[Vo]:STANDARD MODEL FANFARE--YT LINK

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

[https://mcusercontent.com/0d6ddf7dc1a0b7297c8e06618/images/cf57e088-b990-56b9-0f1f-9a3eddd8e938.jpeg]

This the Standard HypeIMHO.

The high energy electron beam  inelastic scattering conducted by A

RE: [Vo]:Is the universe twice as old as previously believed?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

An old universe does not surpeise since saw
Me  well fTomed galaxies at 1

























2 :





vortex-l@eskimo.com
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From: H L V
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 12:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Is the universe twice as old as previously believed?

New research puts age of universe at 26.7 billion years, nearly twice as old as 
previously believed
https://phys.org/news/2023-07-age-universe-billion-years-previously.html

The paper is accessible on the author's homepage
https://www.uottawa.ca/faculty-science/professors/rajendra-gupta

Harry

[Vo]:Hv universe age

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The ttiming of BB is betterbb  explain  as god wuth smoke and mirrors IMHO 
--

FRC

Hubble shows old callaxies lined up at  12 bikkion yrs ago ==

RE: [Vo]:Link between em and qm

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Only 2  POINTS ON A SPHERICAL SURFACE CAN HAVE THE SAME VECTOR DIRECTION  AND 
HENCE THE SAME VELLOICTRY, 0 velocity is not considered.  One would assume the 
same corrodent system for velocity defines the spherical surface and its 
points.  The 2 points would lie on a line that runs through the center of the 
spherical surface at the surface.


The statement assumes that the tenants of solid geometry apply to real spcce

Bob cook
-

From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2023 11:00 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Link between em and qm

Stefan

There is no such thing as a common velocity for 3 different points on a
sphere except for one axes angular motion  (w instead of v)


J.W.

On 06.05.2023 15:33, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote:
> I think the following paper illustrate an avenue to find the
> connection between EM and QM now take this link and explain Aspects
> experiment... How come we can define a normal 2000 century model and
> end up with no determinism and whatnot strangities.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14G9U_Iee4jsppn0Rcp4A5BBrGDRkR5tC/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> I will blog in easier to understand format later. But really it's not
> a difficult stude, which is a good thing in my mind.

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Fundamentals of charge

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The 2 laws of thermodynamics are largely taught in coilleges and universities 
around the world.


They are:


  1.  Conservation of energy in all interactions of matter within the 
boundaries of a  adiabatic system;
  2.  Entropy (a measure of disorder,  energy density special homogeneity)  in 
an adiabatic closed system of matter


The total energy of a closed system consists of potential energy associated 
with fields and kinetic in local clumps of matter.  Furthermore it is broadly 
considered that the potential energy equals the kinetic energy of the system 
and , if the system is adiabatic and stable, the kinetic must be rotational 
(spin) with quantized angular momentum.
There is  no free energy  with corresponding LINEAR MOMENTUM in a stable system.

The theory of quantum mechanics post dates the theory thermodynamics , but is 
considered  consistent IMHO.


Bob Cook








From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2023 2:48 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fundamentals of charge

Stefan,

All old models are ideals and simplifications. Nature is highly non
linear and you certainly cannot increase the angular momentum by n*h.
The reason is that after adding a quantum of energy the next resonance
is slightly larger. So it looks like h(1+1)*(1+dh)^n...

In mechanics you can get n for macroscopic bodies only under very
special conditions...

J.W.

On 19.05.2023 21:19, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote:
> http://itampe.com/on-the-fundamentals-of-charge.html
>
> I must say that my intuition and back of the envelope analysis seem to
> pan out very nicely when I start to investigate math more seriously.
> It all fit very well, actually a very satisfying result and this will
> make the foundations of Mills GUTCP very understandable. I can't help
> but think that this is a 1900 approach to superstrings ...

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:In case you missed it

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I HOPE THE 10M DOES NOT JUST BUTTER THE BREAD OF ENTITIES WITH A CONFLIC OF 
INTEREST REGARDING LENR  R SEE LIST BELOW



* Amphionic (Dexter, MI) will focus on exploring if LENR are produced in 
potential wells existing between two nanoscale surfaces by controlling metal 
nanoparticle (NP) geometry, separation, composition, and deuterium loading. 
(Award amount: $295,924)

* Energetics Technology Center (Indian Head, MD) will use electrochemical 
co-deposition of a deuterated palladium metal compound on a metal substrate 
conformed onto a plastic scintillator to establish and sustain LENR. (Award 
amount: $1,500,000)

* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley, CA) will draw from knowledge 
based on previous work using higher energy ion beams as an external excitation 
source for LENR on metal hydrides electrochemically loaded with deuterium. The 
team proposes to systematically vary materials and conditions, while monitoring 
nuclear event rates with a suite of diagnostics. (Award amount: $1,500,000)

* Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, MA) will develop an 
experimental platform that thoroughly and reproducibly tests claims of nuclear 
anomalies in gas-loaded metal-hydrogen systems.​ (Award amount: $2,000,000)

* Stanford University (Redwood City, CA) will explore a technical solution 
based on LENR-active nanoparticles and gaseous deuterium. (Award amount: 
$1,500,000)

* Texas Tech University (Lubbock, TX) will focus on advanced materials 
fabrication, characterization, and analysis, along with advanced detection of 
nuclear products as a resource for teams within the LENR Exploratory Topic. 
(Award amount: $1,150,000)

* University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, MI) will use a gas cycling experiment that 
passes deuterium gas through a chamber filled with palladium nanocrystalline 
samples. Variables will include temperature, nanocrystalline size, and laser 
wavelength. (Award amount: $1,108,412)

* University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, MI) will provide capability to measure 
hypothetical neutron, gamma, and ion emissions from LENR experiments. Modern 
instrumentation will be coupled with best practices in data acquisition, 
analysis, and understanding of backgrounds to interpret collected data and 
evaluate the proposed signal. (Award amount: $902,213)



BOB COOK





Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 5:39 AM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:In case you missed it

This has been reported before in less detail

DOE Funds $10 Million to Settle LENR Controversy | 
NextBigFuture.com

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[cid:image004.png@01D98980.E5364AA0]
DOE Funds $10 Million to Settle LENR Controversy | NextBigFuture.com

In February, 2023, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) $10 million in funding 
for eight projects working to dete...

FW: [Vo]:Link between em and qm

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

CORRECTION:

Yesterday I commented on the sub structure of nucleons as having Thau particle 
/  I MEANT TO INDICATE “tau” partical.


The earlier data from Jefferson Lab indicated a sub structure of  9 muon.

Bob Cook



From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 3:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Link between em and qm

This discussion suggests that 3-D space geometry goes to 1-D space as 
dimensions go to 0.   Quantum Magazine had a item on this issue  about 3 weeks 
ago.  IO made note of this item in a Vortex commentator the time.

Space may also have a lower volume limit , suggesting its  also quantized and 
not continuous to 0.

As Robin has pointed out  in the past, magnetic fields seem to be continuous, 
however.   This point raises whether the curl of a magnetic field is another 
parameter of nature.


I have to think the curl of a magmatic field, as considered in   Maxwell’s 
classical E-M theory , is alson quantized as is space itself and as magnetic  
dipoles are are quantized at a space scale around 10^-35 meters, consistent 
with the scale of the Planck  constant h.

The surface defined   as  a Clifford torus  may well become a sphere at small 
dimensions.  The physics of space  and solid geometry  may come together in  
the concept of REALITY.

Bob Cook

From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe<mailto:stefan.ita...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 7:16 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Link between em and qm

It's kind of crazy how the brain works. It parses your complaints and then when 
I wake up I see things even more clear. So the addition to the setup are that 
we need to constrain interactions in the rest frame of the current moving at C 
(you can consider a limiting argument to make this stringent) now I think that 
in this reference frame we will need the parallel line segments to be also 
located so that the line connecting them are orthogonal to the stream. This 
simplifies many things and I assumed this without stating it clearly. This has 
some implications for the decomposition of the 3 quark systems. First of all we 
only consider systems where there are two paths that are parallel and that you 
can do. And then make a similar system so that we do get the triangulation we 
are after and can get the argument done (as all three are not lined up in that 
example). This is possible if everything is symmetrized.




On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 9:05 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

Also the potential is not correct...

If you do it quark like 2/3 2/3 -1/3 you will get 2*(2/9) - 4/9 = 0! because 
2/3 are repulsive...

You should always write down all details of what you exactly name how and what 
e.g. potential means.

The Dirac equation is plain nonsense as the e/p magnetic moment field (the 
strongest of all) is missing. Also the 3 rotation solution is unphysical for 
mass...

So going on with old garbage just produces a new flavor of old garbage...

J.W.
On 06.05.2023 20:21, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote:
You are right, the paths are more complex than just on a sphere, we build it up 
as an addition of such paths.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 8:00 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:
Stefan

There is no such thing as a common velocity for 3 different points on a
sphere except for one axes angular motion  (w instead of v)


J.W.

On 06.05.2023 15:33, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote:
> I think the following paper illustrate an avenue to find the
> connection between EM and QM now take this link and explain Aspects
> experiment... How come we can define a normal 2000 century model and
> end up with no determinism and whatnot strangities.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14G9U_Iee4jsppn0Rcp4A5BBrGDRkR5tC/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> I will blog in easier to understand format later. But really it's not
> a difficult stude, which is a good thing in my mind.

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22

8910 Affoltern am Albis



+41 44 760 14 18

+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Link between em and qm

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

This discussion suggests that 3-D space geometry goes to 1-D space as 
dimensions go to 0.   Quantum Magazine had a item on this issue  about 3 weeks 
ago.  IO made note of this item in a Vortex commentator the time.

Space may also have a lower volume limit , suggesting its  also quantized and 
not continuous to 0.

As Robin has pointed out  in the past, magnetic fields seem to be continuous, 
however.   This point raises whether the curl of a magnetic field is another 
parameter of nature.


I have to think the curl of a magmatic field, as considered in   Maxwell’s 
classical E-M theory , is alson quantized as is space itself and as magnetic  
dipoles are are quantized at a space scale around 10^-35 meters, consistent 
with the scale of the Planck  constant h.

The surface defined   as  a Clifford torus  may well become a sphere at small 
dimensions.  The physics of space  and solid geometry  may come together in  
the concept of REALITY.

Bob Cook

From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 7:16 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Link between em and qm

It's kind of crazy how the brain works. It parses your complaints and then when 
I wake up I see things even more clear. So the addition to the setup are that 
we need to constrain interactions in the rest frame of the current moving at C 
(you can consider a limiting argument to make this stringent) now I think that 
in this reference frame we will need the parallel line segments to be also 
located so that the line connecting them are orthogonal to the stream. This 
simplifies many things and I assumed this without stating it clearly. This has 
some implications for the decomposition of the 3 quark systems. First of all we 
only consider systems where there are two paths that are parallel and that you 
can do. And then make a similar system so that we do get the triangulation we 
are after and can get the argument done (as all three are not lined up in that 
example). This is possible if everything is symmetrized.




On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 9:05 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

Also the potential is not correct...

If you do it quark like 2/3 2/3 -1/3 you will get 2*(2/9) - 4/9 = 0! because 
2/3 are repulsive...

You should always write down all details of what you exactly name how and what 
e.g. potential means.

The Dirac equation is plain nonsense as the e/p magnetic moment field (the 
strongest of all) is missing. Also the 3 rotation solution is unphysical for 
mass...

So going on with old garbage just produces a new flavor of old garbage...

J.W.
On 06.05.2023 20:21, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote:
You are right, the paths are more complex than just on a sphere, we build it up 
as an addition of such paths.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 8:00 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:
Stefan

There is no such thing as a common velocity for 3 different points on a
sphere except for one axes angular motion  (w instead of v)


J.W.

On 06.05.2023 15:33, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote:
> I think the following paper illustrate an avenue to find the
> connection between EM and QM now take this link and explain Aspects
> experiment... How come we can define a normal 2000 century model and
> end up with no determinism and whatnot strangities.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14G9U_Iee4jsppn0Rcp4A5BBrGDRkR5tC/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> I will blog in easier to understand format later. But really it's not
> a difficult stude, which is a good thing in my mind.

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22

8910 Affoltern am Albis



+41 44 760 14 18

+41 79 246 36 06

FW: [Vo]:Magnetically chained bodies using rotating fields

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Vortex followers:

Al though agreeing with Jurg most of the time  and follow his somewhat  cynical 
comments, frequently agreeing, doing away with this RG thread is unfounded IMHO.

It raises reasonable questions about reality.

Bob Cook



LIGO is based on the most severe error made by a physics Phd ever. The guy did 
claim that the gravitation force induced by quadrupol radiation !!! will 
compress the tube in a way that the mirrors get closer. Unluckily he has 
forgotten that steel has a different compressibility than free space... So the 
force should be about 10E30 stronger.

The other problem is that radiation needs acceleration in +  and - direction 
what is impossible for mass as mass is not coupled by a light speed like 
force

So LIGO theory is garbage but...

A B-B (black hole black hole) merger leads to a series of huge EM pulses with 
at least a 10E30 larger energy output than that from gravity. What LIGO finally 
measures is the toroidal EM pulse wave produced by the B-B merger. This wave 
finally does compress the LIGO steel tube!

Pulsars are even stranger as there the fast rotation leads to a relativistic 
surface speed, what does focus the radiation in a plane what we then measure as 
a pulse.



After finding the problem I discussed it with some GR folks on RG. They then 
tried to rescue the erroneous assumptions by stating that the force just would 
compress the space inside the tube. This of course is also garbage from 
theorists that have no clue that the steel will as any other medium transform 
the wave before it reaches the inside. Or simply said a Nobel has been given 
for a very good experiment with a dilettante explanation... Final solution:: 
Shut down the RG discussion thread...

Fact:: There are no separate gravitation waves as physically it is impossible 
to produce them ( no light speed like action!!) . All waves we measure are EM 
waves and of course the SO(4) physics model explains how the EM force called 
gravity is produced by a proton electron - proton system.

J.W.




On 25.04.2023 01:43, bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:
INMHO the gravity field is actually the additive summation  of magmatic dipole 
randomly oriented in space that make up the mass of the earth.

The velocity of an  energetic  “gravity” wave observed by LIGIO TRAVELED AT THE 
SAME VELOCITY  as light produced by merger of 2 neutron stare

Magnetic permeability of space is a natural constant the controls  the velocity 
of light in empty space.

Bob Cook



From: H Ucar<mailto:jjam...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 3:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:Magnetically chained bodies using rotating fields

I recently realized setups where two magnetic bodies are held in air chained 
manner. However the middle body is an arrangement of two dipole magnets and a 
steel piece instead of a single magnet. Anyway this is the first time two 
magnetic bodies having full degrees of freedom get bound by the help of an 
external rotating field and the gravity.

http://twitter.com/Sudanamaru1/status/1625620233204408335

http://twitter.com/Sudanamaru1/status/1627753330016456715

http://youtu.be/FTV4tipMSSA

http://youtube.com/shorts/fmpipkqubCs

The Twitter channel also has some threads explaining the effect and giving 
details.

Hamdi



--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22

8910 Affoltern am Albis



+41 44 760 14 18

+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Magnetically chained bodies using rotating fields

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

INMHO the gravity field is actually the additive summation  of magmatic dipole 
randomly oriented in space that make up the mass of the earth.

The velocity of an  energetic  “gravity” wave observed by LIGIO TRAVELED AT THE 
SAME VELOCITY  as light produced by merger of 2 neutron stare

Magnetic permeability of space is a natural constant the controls  the velocity 
of light in empty space.

Bob Cook



From: H Ucar
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 3:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Magnetically chained bodies using rotating fields

I recently realized setups where two magnetic bodies are held in air chained 
manner. However the middle body is an arrangement of two dipole magnets and a 
steel piece instead of a single magnet. Anyway this is the first time two 
magnetic bodies having full degrees of freedom get bound by the help of an 
external rotating field and the gravity.

http://twitter.com/Sudanamaru1/status/1625620233204408335

http://twitter.com/Sudanamaru1/status/1627753330016456715

http://youtu.be/FTV4tipMSSA

http://youtube.com/shorts/fmpipkqubCs

The Twitter channel also has some threads explaining the effect and giving 
details.

Hamdi

RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:‘Alien Calculus’ Could Save Particle Physics From Infinities | Quanta Magazine--tunneling and other entangled system phenonma--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The following link  
https://openstax.org/books/physics/pages/12-3-second-law-of-thermodyn 
describes the under appreciated 2nd law of of thermodynamics.  Regarding 
entropy changes in the universe .


T I reflects  the basis for my comments regarding my explanation of the 
transitions that happen during LENR in an entangled QM closed system


I have also considered that LENR displays an  incase of entropy when a transfer 
of heat (phonic energy of the entangled system) is released by r
Common heat transfer mechanisms.

The definition of disorder is and does not get well establish in the linked 
discussion.  However, the system parameters  that relate to  changes of entropy 
are  described as examples of system disorder.


BOB cOOK
-

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 12:35 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:‘Alien Calculus’ Could Save Particle Physics From 
Infinities | Quanta Magazine--tunneling and other entangled system phenonma--


Jurg apply points out that tunneling is a common event  that happens within 
entangled quantum mechanical systems of energy.

IMHO such systems can be described by an equation (Hamiltonian) that equates 
potential and kinetic energy of the entangled system (PE =KE).   The sum of the 
2 energies is the mass of the system, (m) times c times c (Einstein's 
prediction.)  If the entangled system moves through spsce relative to an 
observer it appears to have additional KE  = mvv/2.

Regarding a a stable entangled QM system, the only type of KE possible is spin 
KE .Kinetic energy (KE) which entails linear momentum (mv) is unstable.

LENR  in a stable entangled system an be  entropy driven  to swapspin KE 
between the nucleons and atomic electrons.  Phonic  spin energy (atomic 
electronic heat or enthalpy) ) increases at the same instant that  nuclear spin 
KE decreases.  Energy and angular momentum are  conserved, but the Hamiltonian 
changes win no change in the mass of the entangled system.

Such a reaction might be called an ENTROPY  DRIVEN  SPIN TRANSION  (EDST).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics


Of course exact conditions must happen in the entangled system.  Since 
temperature and magnetic field strength are such conditions, engineering a EDST 
control mechanism should be easy.  MRI medical machines do this  rutinely to 
cause nuclear spin KE transitions between stable and qusi- stable entangled 
systems.


Bob Cook





From: Jürg Wyttenbach<mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 2:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:‘Alien Calculus’ Could Save Particle Physics From 
Infinities | Quanta Magazine


Tunnelling is a fancy effect that occurs when you neglect the magnetic 
interaction.

Obviously and even worse Dirac and similar equations neglect the main acting 
part of particle physics - EM resonance. So they will go on for ever publishing 
fringe/fancy ideas (“Resurgence is very fancy,”)about stuff they don't fully 
understand.

E.g. Quantum entanglement is nothing else as the magnetic coupling of two 
particles, what means two particles share a common (EM flux-) rotation. This 
also easily explains why the state (rotation axes) changes on one side if you 
change it on the other.



So be aware that almost everything you read about the standard model is 
outdated and just represents the childhood of particle physics.

It's not wrong but just the children way to do physics.

J.W.




On 11.04.2023 18:25, Terry Blanton wrote:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/

“Resurgence is very fancy,” Bender said. But, to put it as simply as possible, 
it lets practitioners dig into the distant terms of an asymptotic series 
(calculated using Feynman diagrams, for instance) and uncover the missing 
pieces necessary to specify a unique function (one that describes tunneling, 
say). In short, it reveals a bridge linking physical events described by 
perturbation theory with those described by the nonperturbative terms. “It’s a 
very complicated relationship,” Bender said, before politely declining to 
attempt to explain it.

--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22

8910 Affoltern am Albis



+41 44 760 14 18

+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:‘Alien Calculus’ Could Save Particle Physics From Infinities | Quanta Magazine--tunneling and other entangled system phenonma--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jurg apply points out that tunneling is a common event  that happens within 
entangled quantum mechanical systems of energy.

IMHO such systems can be described by an equation (Hamiltonian) that equates 
potential and kinetic energy of the entangled system (PE =KE).   The sum of the 
2 energies is the mass of the system, (m) times c times c (Einstein's 
prediction.)  If the entangled system moves through spsce relative to an 
observer it appears to have additional KE  = mvv/2.

Regarding a a stable entangled QM system, the only type of KE possible is spin 
KE .Kinetic energy (KE) which entails linear momentum (mv) is unstable.

LENR  in a stable entangled system an be  entropy driven  to swapspin KE 
between the nucleons and atomic electrons.  Phonic  spin energy (atomic 
electronic heat or enthalpy) ) increases at the same instant that  nuclear spin 
KE decreases.  Energy and angular momentum are  conserved, but the Hamiltonian 
changes win no change in the mass of the entangled system.

Such a reaction might be called an ENTROPY  DRIVEN  SPIN TRANSION  (EDST).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics


Of course exact conditions must happen in the entangled system.  Since 
temperature and magnetic field strength are such conditions, engineering a EDST 
control mechanism should be easy.  MRI medical machines do this  rutinely to 
cause nuclear spin KE transitions between stable and qusi- stable entangled 
systems.


Bob Cook





From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 2:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:‘Alien Calculus’ Could Save Particle Physics From 
Infinities | Quanta Magazine


Tunnelling is a fancy effect that occurs when you neglect the magnetic 
interaction.

Obviously and even worse Dirac and similar equations neglect the main acting 
part of particle physics - EM resonance. So they will go on for ever publishing 
fringe/fancy ideas (“Resurgence is very fancy,”)about stuff they don't fully 
understand.

E.g. Quantum entanglement is nothing else as the magnetic coupling of two 
particles, what means two particles share a common (EM flux-) rotation. This 
also easily explains why the state (rotation axes) changes on one side if you 
change it on the other.



So be aware that almost everything you read about the standard model is 
outdated and just represents the childhood of particle physics.

It's not wrong but just the children way to do physics.

J.W.




On 11.04.2023 18:25, Terry Blanton wrote:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/

“Resurgence is very fancy,” Bender said. But, to put it as simply as possible, 
it lets practitioners dig into the distant terms of an asymptotic series 
(calculated using Feynman diagrams, for instance) and uncover the missing 
pieces necessary to specify a unique function (one that describes tunneling, 
say). In short, it reveals a bridge linking physical events described by 
perturbation theory with those described by the nonperturbative terms. “It’s a 
very complicated relationship,” Bender said, before politely declining to 
attempt to explain it.

--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22

8910 Affoltern am Albis



+41 44 760 14 18

+41 79 246 36 06

[Vo]:physics of entangled systems VERY SIGNIIFCANT--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The text of various papers follows below.  These  items are froms from the 
link: 
https://www.quantamagazine.org/wormhole-experiment-called-into-question-20230323/?mc_cid=b32412d179_eid=1c22739553

quantum gravity
Wormhole Experiment Called Into Question
By
Charlie Wood

March 23, 2023
Last fall, a team of physicists announced that they had teleported a qubit 
through a holographic wormhole in a quantum computer. Now another group 
suggests that’s not quite what happened.
5
Read Later
An illustration of a butterfly falling into a wormhole.

A holographic wormhole would scramble information in one place and reassemble 
it in another. The process is not unlike watching a butterfly being torn apart 
by a hurricane in Houston, only to see an identical butterfly pop out of a 
typhoon in Tokyo.

Myriam Wares for Quanta Magazine
Introduction

In January 2022, a small team of physicists watched breathlessly as data 
streamed out of Google’s quantum computer, Sycamore. A sharp peak indicated 
that their experiment had succeeded. They had mixed one unit of quantum 
information into what amounted to a wispy cloud of particles and watched it 
emerge from a linked cloud. It was like seeing an egg scramble itself in one 
bowl and unscramble itself in another.

In several key ways, the event closely resembled a familiar movie scenario: a 
spacecraft enters one black hole — apparently going to its doom — only to pop 
out of another black hole somewhere else entirely. Wormholes, as these 
theoretical pathways are called, are a quintessentially gravitational 
phenomenon. There were theoretical reasons to believe that the qubit had 
traveled through a quantum system behaving exactly like a wormhole — a 
so-called holographic wormhole — and that’s what the researchers concluded. 
When it was published in November, the experiment graced the cover of Nature 
and was widely covered in the media, including in this magazine.

Now another group of physicists has analyzed the result and determined that, 
while the experiment may have produced something vaguely wormhole-like, it 
wasn’t really a holographic wormhole in any meaningful sense. In light of the 
new analysis, independent researchers are coming to doubt that the 
teleportation experiment has anything to do with gravity after all.

“I feel that the evidence for a gravitational interpretation is weakening,” 
said John Preskill, a theoretical physicist at the California Institute of 
Technology who was not involved with either study.

The group did teleport something on the Sycamore chip, however, and they did it 
in a way that — at least on the surface — looked more wormhole-like than 
anything produced by earlier experiments. The dispute over how to interpret the 
experiment springs from rapid developments involving holography, which 
functions as a sort of mathematical pair of 3D glasses that lets physicists 
view a quantum system as a gravitational one. Studying wormholes through the 
gravitational lens has uncovered new ways to teleport quantum information, 
raising hopes that such quantum experiments might someday go in the other 
direction and probe quantum gravity in the lab. But the wormhole brouhaha 
highlights the fact that determining when the holographic lens works — and 
therefore whether certain aspects of quantum gravity might be accessible on 
quantum computers — may require greater subtlety than physicists imagined.

When he read the new response, Vincent Su, a physicist at the University of 
California, Berkeley who studies wormhole-like teleportation and is not 
involved with either group, wondered, “Is quantum gravity in the lab dead?”
Scrambling Wormholes

Wormholes have long been a fixture of science fiction writers in need of a 
mechanism for quickly moving their characters across the vastness of space, but 
the wormholes that appeared in Einstein’s theory of gravity initially seemed 
extremely improbable, requiring tricky manipulations of space-time that 
inevitably led to time-travel paradoxes. That changed in 2016, when three 
physicists — Ping Gao and Daniel Jafferis at Harvard University and Aron Wall, 
then at the Institute for Advanced Study — found an unexpectedly simple and 
paradox-free way to prop open a wormhole with a shock wave of negative energy.
How does gravity work in the quantum regime? A holographic duality from string 
theory offers a powerful tool for unraveling the mystery.

Video: How does gravity work in the quantum regime? A holographic duality from 
string theory offers a powerful tool for unraveling the mystery.

Directed by Emily Driscoll and animated by Jonathan Trueblood for Quanta 
Magazine
Introduction

“It’s quite beautiful. It started the whole thinking in this direction,” said 
Hrant Gharibyan, a quantum physicist at Caltech. “There’s a narrow window that 
you can throw stuff from the left universe to the right.”

The foundation of the work was one of the hotter trends in modern physics, 
holography.

Holography 

RE: [Vo]:Discover Magazine article about cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry

IMHO cold fusion or LENR reflects the old theory of thermos-dynamics which 
poist a relationship between enthalpy .

The new issues are to the theory are the addition of quantum bits of angular 
momentum and energy.   In a stable system entropy always increases as long as
There is conservation of energy and AM.

If Newton were still around he would be developing a a math to address the 
quantum nature of reality in addition to its continuous nature to 0 as applies 
to a  magnetic field.   Computer finite analyses may serve as a good substitute 
to handle the quantum reality and predictions  regarding stable systems
.

Bob Cook

From: H L V
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:03 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Discover Magazine article about cold fusion


The article quotes Michael McKubre:

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

I think it is similar to this:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
-- Hebrews 11:1 (Kings James version)

I am not making the comparison in order to show that the pursuit of cold fusion 
is irrational because it requires faith.
On the contrary, I think faith (of some kind) is a rational requirement for 
anyone venturing into the unknown.

Harry



On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 9:52 AM Jed Rothwell 
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The usual.

What Is Cold Fusion? Is It Possible?
The search for the long-discredited cold fusion energy source may be catching 
its second wind, though questions remain about its legitimacy.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/what-is-cold-fusion-is-it-possible

RE: [Vo]:lutetium "LENR" important parameters to consoder-

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

1.What are the isomeric spin energy sates and are they clost to the 
stable ground state?
2.  Is there a phonic spin state that would support super conductivity?


3.  HOW MANY ATOMS, N,  MAKE UP THE SIZE OF THE GRAINS OF LuH AND  HOW
DOES THE PHONIC ENERGY QUANTA CHANGE BASED ON GRAIN SIZE?
4.  IS THERE AN EXACT CONSERVATIO OF ANGULAR MOMENTUM OF THE ATOMIC PHONIC 
STATE AND AN NUCLEAR ISOMERIC LuH UNDER PRESSURE?

AN INCREASE OF ENTROPY OF A CLOSED SYSTEM (INCREASED DISORDER/SPIN ENERGY LESS 
CONCETRATED) IS EXPECTED PER TH /D 2ND LA.


The questions and assertions reflect  a possible common physics at work in LENR 
and S.c.  within a stable entangled system in which potential energy equals 
kinetic spin energy.In addition phonic spin energy is favored per the 2nd 
law which relates heat energy, enthalpy, to entropy.


Bob Cook



---


From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:10:22 AM
To: vortex 
Subject: [Vo]:lutetium "LENR"

Recently it was mentioned here (Axil ?) that a new room temp superconductor was 
claimed by a group at  Rochester U.

I lost the post. The material in question is nitrogen-doped lutetium hydride 
and it demonstrates superconductivity at 21 °C (69.5 °F) at 145,000 psi. The 
pressure may sound high, but it’s orders of magnitude lower than prior art and 
achievable in an interesting way that could be synergistic to fusion.

lutetium "LENR" is therefore a topic that comes to mind ... somewhat based on a 
connection to palladium hydride. IOW there could be a connection between the 
two fields - LENR and HTSC - although it could well be coincidental

There appears to be some trickle of prior work on lutetium LENR based on a 
google search. George Miley was apparently interested in one aspect

Does anyone know of ongoing work on the topic LENR using LuH ?

It is too bad that Lu is so damned expensive. Apparently it is the most 
expensive element at many suppliers

RE: [Vo]:ARPA-E announces funding for 8 cold fusion projects-added comments

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

  1.  Coupling in the LENR Pd grains is by the magnetic field present 
throughout the entangled grains of Pd-D.
  2.  Spin energy and related angular momentum  can only exist in   multiple 
quanta of  spin—h/2pi.  (Planck made this observation in the 19th century.  )
  3.  Space may also be quantized at the Planck constant scale—10-35 meters. 
–foam-like space intrinsically endowed with a constant magnetic permeability.
  4.  3-d cubic dimensions merge into 1-d spherical space at this small scale.



Quantum Magazine addresses this geometric weirdness in a paper by computer 
scientists earlier  this month.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/mathematicians-complete-quest-to-build-spherical-cubes-20230210/

AND

https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-field-theory-pries-open-mathematical-puzzle-20230216/?mc_cid=e8e39e38e1_eid=1c22739553


Bob Cook


From: Andrew Meulenberg
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 11:45 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Andrew 
Meulenberg
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ARPA-E announces funding for 8 cold fusion projects

Jed,

Do we get a chance to see what other projects were proposed (at least titles)? 
It may be that these eight were the best of a poor selection.

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Jed Rothwell 
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I put this DoE announcement in the LENR-CANR.org News section. Today I added 
this somewhat pessimistic note:

Some cold fusion researchers feel that these eight projects were poorly chosen. 
The goals are framed as if cold fusion is the same as plasma fusion. People 
made this mistake in 1989. For example, several projects focus on neutrons. The 
first one says, “University of Michigan will provide capability to measure 
hypothetical neutron, gamma, and ion emissions from LENR experiments.” Some 
cold fusion experiments have produced neutrons, but most do not. It seems 
likely that neutrons are a secondary effect with a prosaic cause such as 
fractofusion, rather than being a primary signature of the reaction. Excess 
heat correlated with helium, or tritium production, can occur without neutrons, 
so looking for neutrons is not a fruitful way to detect or analyze a cold 
fusion reaction.

RE: [Vo]:ARPA-E announces funding for 8 cold fusion projects

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

JED AND ANDREW--


>From 1989 on  I considered  that  the absence of neutrons  in LENR indicated 
>there  was no linear momentum involved in the reaction.

Only rotational energy and related angular momentum was involved  IN LENR.
Furthermore. a significant new energy seen as atomic phonic heat was apparent .

Did the entangled metallic Pd grain  merely give up  nuclear spin energy  to 
the [spin state of the Pd atomic electrons?

Per the First and Second laws of TD this reaction should occur if entropie  
increases. since the kinetic (spin) energy is less

Bob

From: Andrew Meulenberg
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 11:45 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Andrew 
Meulenberg
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ARPA-E announces funding for 8 cold fusion projects

Jed,

Do we get a chance to see what other projects were proposed (at least titles)? 
It may be that these eight were the best of a poor selection.

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Jed Rothwell 
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I put this DoE announcement in the LENR-CANR.org News section. Today I added 
this somewhat pessimistic note:

Some cold fusion researchers feel that these eight projects were poorly chosen. 
The goals are framed as if cold fusion is the same as plasma fusion. People 
made this mistake in 1989. For example, several projects focus on neutrons. The 
first one says, “University of Michigan will provide capability to measure 
hypothetical neutron, gamma, and ion emissions from LENR experiments.” Some 
cold fusion experiments have produced neutrons, but most do not. It seems 
likely that neutrons are a secondary effect with a prosaic cause such as 
fractofusion, rather than being a primary signature of the reaction. Excess 
heat correlated with helium, or tritium production, can occur without neutrons, 
so looking for neutrons is not a fruitful way to detect or analyze a cold 
fusion reaction.

RE: [Vo]:high weirdness

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Yes, I remember the positive magnetic field  matched to several signifant 
figures.

I am still trying to search up the Romanian paper—it seems to have gone dark/

I think I have it in my doenloads.

Bob Cook


Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Robin
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 1:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:high weirdness

https://www.networkworld.com/article/3191503/mit-selling-8-million-coveted-ipv4-addresses-amazon-a-buyer.htmlIn
 reply to
bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:21:07 +:
Hi,
>Even WEIRDER:
>
>If the positive terms of a series of terms that exactly express  a magnetic 
>dipole field (such as positrons and electrons display) and that mass as we 
>know it is composed of positrons and electrons with some neutrinos to keep 
>them front destructive change to photons, a random orientation of such 
>magmatic dipoles in a massive population acts like GRAVITY.

Is it of the same magnitude?
>
>
>THIS COMMENT STEMS FROM WORK REPORTED  BY A ROMAUN  GROUP OF SCIENTISTS IN THE 
>CORNELL U DIGITAL LIBRARY several years ago.  I REMEMBER THAT THE GROUP WAS 
>ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNIVERSITY IN THE CAPITAL.
>
>Bob Cook
[snip]
Cloud storage:-

Unsafe, Slow, Expensive

...pick any three.

RE: [Vo]:high weirdness

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Even WEIRDER:

If the positive terms of a series of terms that exactly express  a magnetic 
dipole field (such as positrons and electrons display) and that mass as we know 
it is composed of positrons and electrons with some neutrinos to keep them 
front destructive change to photons, a random orientation of such magmatic 
dipoles in a massive population acts like GRAVITY.


THIS COMMENT STEMS FROM WORK REPORTED  BY A ROMAUN  GROUP OF SCIENTISTS IN THE 
CORNELL U DIGITAL LIBRARY several years ago.  I REMEMBER THAT THE GROUP WAS 
ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNIVERSITY IN THE CAPITAL.

Bob Cook


From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 6:10 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:high weirdness

>From the subject line, I thought this was going to be about the balloon 
>objects...



Robin wrote:

> If you multiply the weight of hydrogen in the form of water in the oceans, by 
> the fine structure constant, you end up
with the weight of Oxygen in the atmosphere.

FW: [Vo]:Accessing Icy World Oceans Using Lattice Confinement Fusion Fast Fission

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

YES.  IT SEEMS MORE AND MORE THAT half true  statements are taken as “fully”  
true, if it comes from a mouth of an ‘authority”—such is life.

Lattice fusion is now called LENR.  Combining it with  a safe neutron U-235 
induced fission is hard to believe as a practical source of heat in any 
separate lattice source of heat.

NASA SEEMS TO AVOID THE SCHEME FOR CONTRILING THE HEAT EENERGY.

A SEPART MIXED-ENERGY SOURCE OF NEUTRONJS (POLONIUM-BRILLIUM) MAY BE INVOLVED 
AS A SOURCE  OF NEUTRONS.

Bob Cook
--

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 10:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Accessing Icy World Oceans Using Lattice Confinement Fusion 
Fast Fission


Is this early April fools from NASA? One of many big problems is that although 
lattice fusion reportedly can produce a small flux of neutrons, they are not 
fast neutrons... far from it.

Fast fission requires very fast neutrons - typically about 1 MeV. Unless of 
course there has been a breakthrough which I've missed.

There doesn't appear to be a direct reference online for "Lattice Confinement 
Fusion - Fast Fission"

Does anyone have such a reference?


H L V  wrote:

Accessing Icy World Oceans Using Lattice Confinement Fusion Fast Fission

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/Accessing_Icy_World_Oceans/

quote
Icy World researchers have proposed using a nuclear powered, heated probe. 
However, rather than require either the plutonium-238 radioisotope heat source 
or an enriched uranium-235 fission reactor, with significant launch safety 
costs, we propose making use of the recent Lattice Confinement Fusion source 
used to efficiently fast-fission either depleted uranium or thorium in a molten 
lithium matrix. The resulting hybrid fusion fast fission nuclear reactor will 
be smaller than a traditional fission reactor where a lower mass power source 
is needed and provide efficient operation with thermal waste heat from reactor 
heats probe to melt through ice shelf to sub-ice oceans.

RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I AGREE WITH  JONES;  Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that 
they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs.  MAD  is  alive ane still is 
working IMHO/

I see a trues in the new  YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER 
AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY.

FRC

-

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.

We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent 
past.

The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine 
decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The 
Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine.

The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of 
non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not 
aligned with NATO/USA ??

This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset


Terry Blanton wrote:


The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story.  I'm  
sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU.  If NEST hasn't 
found them by now, well...

Jones Beene wrote:
Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ?

Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. 
Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear 
option exists.

Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden 
possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and 
now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below 
on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of...

It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control 
of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have 
mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back 
in the early 1990s

The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with 
adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes 
many things...

Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden 
ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising 
ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already 
been planted.., maybe even in DC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854

If there are optimists out there on Volandia  let me add:i
--  Happy New Year !!!

RE: [Vo]:A New Way to Achieve Nuclear Fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

SOLAR GETS CHEAPER WITH TIME.

FRC

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2022 12:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A New Way to Achieve Nuclear Fusion

Even so - isn't it true that the bottom line is that it will be far cheaper to 
make solar cells, given the abundance of silicon on the moon - and get 
electrical power that way compared with fusion.

Far far far cheaper.



  Robin  wrote:


In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 18 Dec 2022 08:33:26 -0500:
Hi,

>In that case, a robotic mining system would suffice.  Combine that with
>Heinlein's mass driver and we're all set.

Note that 12 kWh/m^2 was a high order estimate. Given the size of the Moon, and 
Earth currently using about 500 quad /
annum, the total resource would last us at most 3 years, if it had to supply 
all our energy needs.

I think it might be a better idea to just use the Lunar He3 as a local resource 
to provide power for a Lunar colony and
further exploration of the Solar system.

Here on Earth, we can "easily" make our own from the D + D -> He3 + n reaction.
(Or if my device works, the H + D -> He3 reaction).


>
>Well, we need a hot Fusion device first.
[snip]
Cloud storage:-

Unsafe, Slow, Expensive

...pick any three.

RE: [Vo]:A New Way to Achieve Nuclear Fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Rpbin--—

I have 3 panels o solar cells made by Shell Oil , installed in 2002 and still 
producing about the same power  they did new.  They have seen  temperatures 
down to -65  F  and as high as 100 degrees.

FRC


From: Robin
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2022 3:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A New Way to Achieve Nuclear Fusion

In reply to  Robin's message of Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:34:53 +1100:
Hi,
[snip]
>Furthermore, I'm not sure how long Solar cells last on the Moon, given 
>constant bombardment by high energy particles.

BTW, this is also true of Solar cells in orbit, so I guess we actually have 
some pretty good stats on how long they
last.

>[snip]
Cloud storage:-

Unsafe, Slow, Expensive

...pick any three.

RE: [Vo]:Arguments for an "Aether"--added comment

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Since gravity waves IN SPACE AND LIGHT WAVES HAVE THE SAME SPEED ,  SUGGESTS 
GRAVITY IS REALY THE RESULT OF QUANTUM MAGMNETIC DIPOLES  THAT GET REARRANGED 
DURINGULAR MOMENTUM.

BOB COOK

-

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 3:24 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Arguments for an "Aether"

Electric permittivity and magnetic megmiabilityu of space necessary to 
calculate the speed of light support the physical model of space and hence the 
concept of an anther.

Bob Cook

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From: Jonathan Berry<mailto:jonathanberry3...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 12:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Arguments for an "Aether"

Well if you consider all of the possible interactions that could happen with 
so-called virtual particles (whatever quantum field theory might call them) it 
calculates the exact value and is the "most successful calculation/prediction 
in physics".  I can't judge the relative value of the model you mention but I 
would argue that even if it somehow explains away for example Lamb shift, how 
would other phenomena that give evidence of a substantive and energetic nature 
to space be discounted?

For example the Casimir effect, are you saying this isn't a result of 
eliminating certian frequency modes in the Quantum field?

And the permitivity of free space and displscement current in a vacuum, are you 
saying there is nothing in the vacuum to be displaced? (polarized)

There is a lot more than just Lamb shift that nerds to be explained away.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022, 1:23 am Jürg Wyttenbach, 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

So we know that the electric field from the Nucleus of a Hydrogen Nucleus can 
polarize the virtual particles and cause partial shielding, this results in the 
Lamb shift.

This is standard model word salad. Virtual particles  are just a mathematical 
construct an thus never something real.



Lamb shift only happens inside a field so this is a forced interaction. We can 
exactly calculate the Proton fine structure frequency (See basics in Mills but 
needs some metric added..) from first principle and there we use no virtual 
particles.

All non circular orbits have two extremes what explains the shift in min/max 
energy.

Hence no ether or other fantasy needed.

J.W.


On 11.10.2022 11:01, Jonathan Berry wrote:
I would like to hear any counter points to these arguments.

Firstly the Aether I am talking about IS NOT NECESSARILY the Luminiferous 
Aether/Ether considered disproven, though some arguments will go in that 
direction also.

Hence the "Aether" in question could be Quantum fields theory, virtual 
particles, cold neutrinos, dark matter, Dirac sea etc...  or anything in or of 
space (or space-time) besides matter and light/radiation.
Therefore there isn't really any reason to discount it based on the label 
Aether as it is being used as a catch all, some of which are beyond doubt.
I would also note that the space of General Relativity is affected by matter 
and light and motion can be induced in it, such as frame dragging.

And also I will be first addressing that light might potentially affect such 
phenomena.

So we know that the electric field from the Nucleus of a Hydrogen Nucleus can 
polarize the virtual particles and cause partial shielding, this results in the 
Lamb shift.
Also displacement current through a vacuum and the very dielectric properties 
of the vacuum suggest there is something to be affected.
Many have entertained the ideas of Bearden and Scalar waves which propose to 
affect space with electromagnetic fields interfering.
Matter is 99.9% empty space and so if matter has any potential ability to 
affect anything in the vacuum likely that would be from the 99.9% of the 
volume that is just electromagnetic flux, also if Matter plays a necessary 
part, as long as the experiment is not performed in a vacuum matter will be 
present even if it isn't the structured component.
Light manifests a tiny gravitational field according to conventional theory, 
indeed it must due to the fact it carries momentum and can be diverted by 
gravity if Newlon's laws are to survive..
Light introduced into an otherwise massless perfectly reflective box would, due 
to Doppler shift imbalancing radiation pressure, inertial mass now be apparent.
Light has the ability to push, warm and cut matter so why should we doubt it's 
influence on other phenomena?


So we should all be able to agree on two things:

There are phenomena in the background of space that certainly DO exist that 
aren't matter or light.   See also 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kCtiOS_F_M=7s
And Light (EM) could conceivably influence said phenomena.

So first a little consid

RE: [Vo]:Arguments for an "Aether"

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Electric permittivity and magnetic megmiabilityu of space necessary to 
calculate the speed of light support the physical model of space and hence the 
concept of an anther.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Jonathan Berry
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 12:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Arguments for an "Aether"

Well if you consider all of the possible interactions that could happen with 
so-called virtual particles (whatever quantum field theory might call them) it 
calculates the exact value and is the "most successful calculation/prediction 
in physics".  I can't judge the relative value of the model you mention but I 
would argue that even if it somehow explains away for example Lamb shift, how 
would other phenomena that give evidence of a substantive and energetic nature 
to space be discounted?

For example the Casimir effect, are you saying this isn't a result of 
eliminating certian frequency modes in the Quantum field?

And the permitivity of free space and displscement current in a vacuum, are you 
saying there is nothing in the vacuum to be displaced? (polarized)

There is a lot more than just Lamb shift that nerds to be explained away.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022, 1:23 am Jürg Wyttenbach, 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

So we know that the electric field from the Nucleus of a Hydrogen Nucleus can 
polarize the virtual particles and cause partial shielding, this results in the 
Lamb shift.

This is standard model word salad. Virtual particles  are just a mathematical 
construct an thus never something real.



Lamb shift only happens inside a field so this is a forced interaction. We can 
exactly calculate the Proton fine structure frequency (See basics in Mills but 
needs some metric added..) from first principle and there we use no virtual 
particles.

All non circular orbits have two extremes what explains the shift in min/max 
energy.

Hence no ether or other fantasy needed.

J.W.


On 11.10.2022 11:01, Jonathan Berry wrote:
I would like to hear any counter points to these arguments.

Firstly the Aether I am talking about IS NOT NECESSARILY the Luminiferous 
Aether/Ether considered disproven, though some arguments will go in that 
direction also.

Hence the "Aether" in question could be Quantum fields theory, virtual 
particles, cold neutrinos, dark matter, Dirac sea etc...  or anything in or of 
space (or space-time) besides matter and light/radiation.
Therefore there isn't really any reason to discount it based on the label 
Aether as it is being used as a catch all, some of which are beyond doubt.
I would also note that the space of General Relativity is affected by matter 
and light and motion can be induced in it, such as frame dragging.

And also I will be first addressing that light might potentially affect such 
phenomena.

So we know that the electric field from the Nucleus of a Hydrogen Nucleus can 
polarize the virtual particles and cause partial shielding, this results in the 
Lamb shift.
Also displacement current through a vacuum and the very dielectric properties 
of the vacuum suggest there is something to be affected.
Many have entertained the ideas of Bearden and Scalar waves which propose to 
affect space with electromagnetic fields interfering.
Matter is 99.9% empty space and so if matter has any potential ability to 
affect anything in the vacuum likely that would be from the 99.9% of the 
volume that is just electromagnetic flux, also if Matter plays a necessary 
part, as long as the experiment is not performed in a vacuum matter will be 
present even if it isn't the structured component.
Light manifests a tiny gravitational field according to conventional theory, 
indeed it must due to the fact it carries momentum and can be diverted by 
gravity if Newlon's laws are to survive..
Light introduced into an otherwise massless perfectly reflective box would, due 
to Doppler shift imbalancing radiation pressure, inertial mass now be apparent.
Light has the ability to push, warm and cut matter so why should we doubt it's 
influence on other phenomena?


So we should all be able to agree on two things:

There are phenomena in the background of space that certainly DO exist that 
aren't matter or light.   See also 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kCtiOS_F_M=7s
And Light (EM) could conceivably influence said phenomena.

So first a little consideration to a Lumiferious Aether.   It is known that the 
speed of light is C, but those who dig a little deeper recognize that the claim 
is only related to the 2 way speed of light, the round trip.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn6Ewhb27k
The thing is Lorentz contraction (Lorentz Aether Theory, LET) was only 
conceived of as a means to make the round trip constant and it made no pretense 
that it could keep the one way speed of light constant.
Well, the thing is Special Relativity has 

RE: [Vo]:laser spectral linewidth is classical-physics phenomenon

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

WJAT ARE THE CLASSICAL LAWS OF PHYSICS THAT FORM THE BASIS OF THIS CONCLUSION?

DO  THE ASASUMED ELECTRIC AND MAGNETIC PROPERTIES OF space AS IN MAXWELL’S 
TYHEORY APPLY?

BOB COOK


From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 3:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:laser spectral linewidth is classical-physics phenomenon

William


There extremely rarely is a two 511keV e+/e- decay signal seen. Its a
special case that can only happen in a contained case. Free e+/e-
annihilation usually is a 3 photon decay with <<0.01% being of 511keV...

The 511keV decay signal is an old illusion, that triggered a completely
wrong understanding of physics.

J.W.

On 02.05.2022 18:01, William Beaty wrote:
> Still, the 2-photon 180deg emission from positron annihilation ...hard
> to explain any of that Entaglement stuff.  Must perhaps add
> many-worlds version of reality, to the particle-sea of SED theory.

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Laser Cooling -> Cooling with radiation

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin--

Why does nuclear decay happen routinely?

The swap of potential energy of a  QM system is not without restrictions os
regarding conservation of angular momentum and conservation of total energy.  
In addition the allowable quantum states that are phonic states with  specific 
non continuous values of kinetic emerge  AND angular momentum.  The angular 
momentum must b a multiple of h/2 pie.

The proper matching of parameters within a arbitrary QN system does not occur 
very often in nature.  However it can be engineered in LENR reactors.

Key parameters include startimg material QM enerfy states and  and angular 
momentum quantum states and  phonic energy states.   Magneticc fields including 
resonances are also important to modify QM system allowed energy states .


Bob Cook

From: Robin
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 3:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Laser Cooling -> Cooling with radiation

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Wed, 4 May 2022 16:49:08 
+:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Radiation cooling is how the final process of LENR works.
>
>The first step is to swap nuclear potential energy to kinetic spin phonic 
>energy of a QM atom (including electronic structure) which is classical 
>thermal energy subject to common radiation cooling in the second step.

...then one wonders why this doesn't apply to the normal decay of radioisotopes?
If no one clicked on ads companies would stop paying for them. :)

RE: [Vo]:Laser Cooling -> Cooling with radiation

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Radiation cooling is how the final process of LENR works.

The first step is to swap nuclear potential energy to kinetic spin phonic 
energy of a QM atom (including electronic structure) which is classical thermal 
energy subject to common radiation cooling in the second step.


This reaction is consistent with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.


Bob Cook

From: H LV
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 6:16 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Laser Cooling -> Cooling with radiation

Laser cooling is the cooling of atoms via spontaneous emission.
In the video they say the laser radiation provides a damping force at a 
particular frequency.
This is very close to how Count Rumford envisaged frigorific radiation working.

Is it such a leap to imagine this kind of cooling is experienced by macroscopic 
bodies without the need for lasers, i.e.
with common radiation consisting of a broad spectrum of frequencies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlBlK9O3M-4

Harry

RE: [Vo]:laser spectral linewidth is classical-physics phenomenon

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The recent research begs the question Is space continuous to zero?

Planck’s  constant and its scale at 10 -35 meters seems to suggest a quantized 
space of  3 dimensions with a a primary direction in line with any magnetic 
field  >0.

Jurg’s analyses that indicate that protons are the same as a toroidal shaped 
magnetic flux   also lens validity to   the  that  protons are comprised of 
about 1800 electron-like primary particles
( charge centers.)

This data was derived from high energy electron probed of H and neutrons at 
SLAC.  William Stubbs has written a book on these inelastic scattering test.

IMHO  quantized angular momentum and magnetic moments  in  a model of a bound 
neutrino are  related to the proton modeling.   And the t the classical 
assumption about magmatic permeabity and electric al permittivity of space and 
the speed of light will emerge as well from the idea of quantized space.

Bob Cook

From: William Beaty
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 9:01 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:laser spectral linewidth is classical-physics phenomenon

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, H LV wrote:

>
> New research shows that laser spectral linewidth is classical-physics
> phenomenon
> https://phys.org/news/2020-07-laser-spectral-linewidth-classical-physics-ph
> enomenon.html

VERY cool!

> Perhaps this points to a new kind of physics which is a synthesis of
> classical and quantum physics.

An old proposal is SED, Stochiastic Electrodynamics, which, if I
understand it, is classical physics but with an enormous zeropoint sea of
particles and fluctuations.

Also, Willis Lamb was trying to create a physics which entirely lacked
photons, but instead was based on EM waves, but with many little Classical
effects added, usually ignored but instead brought to the front (such as
perhaps my own favorite: wave-resonance being able to excite a nonlinear
oscillator suddenly, across a threshold ...as if it had been struck by a
tiny particle, yet it was entirely a wave phenomenon, as if
Photoelectric Effect does not demonstrate QM after all.)

Still, the 2-photon 180deg emission from positron annihilation ...hard to
explain any of that Entaglement stuff.  Must perhaps add many-worlds
version of reality, to the particle-sea of SED theory.




(( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) )))
William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website
billb at amasci com http://amasci.com
EE/programmer/sci-exhibits   amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair
Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

RE: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It is u[ wind of Russia and Bellarus and a threat if it leaks into staging 
areas for the invas

FRC

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:38 PM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

Many observers were surprised that one of the first Ukraine invasion targets 
for Russia was the cursed Chernobyl site.

Why ?

Given that the bottom line is going to be very costly for Putin - there must be 
a hidden agenda here.

RE: [Vo]:What Goes On In a Proton? Reason to give up on high energy experiments--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Although I did indicate the subject thread, the quote you say is mine did NOT 
come from me..

I cannot identify the source of the quote attributed to me with a review of the 
Vortex-l
Mail Archive web page of February 19, 2022.

IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MODIFIED FROM THE TEXT I WROTE IN MY EMAI TO THE vortex 
LISTCOPIED HEREAFTER:


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:58 AM
To: Vortex List<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: What Goes On In a Proton? Reason to give up on high energy 
experiments--



To answer the subject question the  paper linked below  summarizes as follows:

“One such Hail Mary pass in the theoretical world is a tool called the 
holographic principle. The general 
strategy<https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/AdS-QCD+correspondence> is to translate 
the problem into an abstract mathematical space where some hologram of quarks 
can be separated from each other, allowing an analysis in terms of Feynman 
diagrams.”

https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-goes-on-in-a-proton-quark-math-still-conflicts-with-experiments-20200506/?mc_cid=291b7484b8_eid=1c22739553


I would summarize the paper as concluding that  that the physics community of 
the establishment wants to get away from high energy accelerator testing  e.g., 
CERN,  since it is revealing data that does not support the Standard Model 
theory.

OTHER OBSERVATIONS

The trashing of the conceptual “strong force” and Feyman diagrams is telling.  
The smoke and mirrors used to validate the Standard Model is revealed.

The new super computer modeling I hope  will handle
Particle magnetic moments and related angular momentum, the spatial extent of 
an entangled QM system, the action of the Second Law of Thermodynamics in  a 
closed entangled  system and the function of neutrinos in solid state matter, 
including their magnetic moment and angular momentum.

Bob Cook





From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 8:27 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Goes On In a Proton? Reason to give up on high energy 
experiments--

bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:

> “One such Hail Mary pass in the theoretical world is a tool called the 
> holographic principle...

There could be much more to this story, Bob.

Although it may sound ridiculous at first - the hologram or rather a 
holographic projection made by a laser offers the best explanation for the 
recent reports of UAP (UFO) sightings most of which was happening around 
military (Naval) exercises and aircraft carriers. The ultimate motivation is 
not clear but thankfully China is probably not involved in this. At least not 
yet.

This laser hologram tech is too complicated to summarize in a few paragraphs 
but here is video that covers some of it. BTW - No reason that subatomic 
particles could not be simulated using gamma lasers so this is not that far off 
from your original post,

https://youtu.be/MDSVJfuyJlk

The curious detail most of us don't comprehend is why we seem to have one 
dark/secret Pentagon program trying to fool another less secret program? Or 
maybe they figured out that this is the best way to ultimately fool/frighten 
our enemies.

Anyway in what might be a lapse of judgement - the Navy did apply for a patent 
on one aspect of the laser hologram tech a few years ago - while at the same 
time not informing their own cadre that it is now being deployed and tested on 
themselves. Go figure.

Here is the Patent -

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200041236A1/

"Reality" once again seems to be stranger than fiction.

Or in the vernacular:  "who's zoomin' who?" with the latest round of UAP/UFO 
disclosure

[Vo]:What Goes On In a Proton? Reason to give up on high energy experiments--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

To answer the subject question the  paper linked below  summarizes as follows:

“One such Hail Mary pass in the theoretical world is a tool called the 
holographic principle. The general 
strategy is to translate 
the problem into an abstract mathematical space where some hologram of quarks 
can be separated from each other, allowing an analysis in terms of Feynman 
diagrams.”

https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-goes-on-in-a-proton-quark-math-still-conflicts-with-experiments-20200506/?mc_cid=291b7484b8_eid=1c22739553


I would summarize the paper as concluding that  that the physics community of 
the establishment wants to get away from high energy accelerator testing  e.g., 
CERN,  since it is revealing data that does not support the Standard Model 
theory.

OTHER OBSERVATIONS

The trashing of the conceptual “strong force” and Feyman diagrams is telling.  
The smoke and mirrors used to validate the Standard Model is revealed.

The new super computer modeling I hope  will handle
Particle magnetic moments and related angular momentum, the spatial extent of 
an entangled QM system, the action of the Second Law of Thermodynamics in  a 
closed entangled  system and the function of neutrinos in solid state matter, 
including their magnetic moment and angular momentum.

Bob Cook

[Vo]:PHASE TRANSITIONS IN ENTANGLED QM SYSTEMS

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Terry Blanton in a thread here sevral weeks back compared phase transitions to 
witch craft..

I have suggested that phase transitions  of LENR  nano fuel systems may be 
induced by a changing ambient magnetic field.  Spin  energy in the system 
driven by an increase of entropy may  occur as an increase of phonic spin and a 
decrease of nuclear spin energy.

See the following for a discussion of entangled system dynamics .

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-phase-transition-entangled.html


A pertinent issue from this paper regarding entropy of an entangled system 
follows:

“The researchers developed a model of this measurement-induced phase transition 
based on a famous problem from percolation theory called the "vandalized 
resistor grid." In this problem, a vandal tries to find the smallest number of 
bonds (call the "shortest path" or "minimal cut") to slice through an electric 
grid in order to completely disconnect the network. The researchers showed that 
the problem of calculating the entropy of entanglement in a quantum system is 
equivalent to this optimization problem, in which the goal is to find a minimal 
cut through a disordered network that separates the network into two parts.”


An increase in entropy in LENR fuel IMHO is a key driver in the  reactions that 
eventually result in the transfer of enthalpy (heat energy) to the macroscopic 
reactor environs.

Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:OT: Kita - Demo Gravity Shield v.Rossi LENR

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

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From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 1:28 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Kita - Demo Gravity Shield v.Rossi LENR

ANGULAR MIMENTUM AND SPIN IN QM  SYSTEMS GO “HAND IN HAND” RIGHT AND LEFT  
SO  BE IT.

tHE LIST OF REFERENCES IN THE LINK IS IMPRESSIVE.

THANKS FOR THE COMMENT RON  .

Bob Cook

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From: Ron Kita<mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 7:19 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Kita - Demo Gravity Shield v.Rossi LENR

Hi Jones.Rossi...well...h...IMHO...no chirality.  Also, I always viewed 
 Dr N Kozyrev  as  "fringe" until I talked to Dr Frank Mead, USAF ret0 Edwards 
AFB- Head of
Enigmatic Sciences (X_FILES).  My view is along Kozyrev s organic Lefthanded 
molecule experimental thoughts..  As an example.. chiral -Laevo-Turpentine 
altering Time/Gravity. -- Redwood sap-turpentine.

Here is a website enjoy.Ronk Chiralexmany interesting Linkedin 
connections..including Jean Francois Geneste =ex VP research  for Airbus until 
tota; top restructuring in 2019!
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22nickoli+kozyrev+chirality=avast-a-2=AOaemvJ6v6NAKAAINwVEkotfUZRVYPvPXg%3A1639192143726=Txa0Ya3XK-qH_Qb70aO4CQ=0ahUKEwjtusfL4tr0AhXqQ98KHfvoCJcQ4dUDCA4=5=%22nickoli+kozyrev+chirality_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgjELADECc6BwgAEEcQsAM6BAgjECdKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ8ApY33ZgvKABaAJwAngAgAG4AYgBvA6SAQQwLjEzmAEAoAEByAEFwAEB=gws-wiz

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 8:51 PM Jones Beene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Ron,

Is chirality involved with the Rossi claim?

LOL - he has apparently dropped LENR for ZPE...

For those who are not aware of the "chiral miracle"

https://cqgplus.com/2016/09/12/cqg-insight-chiral-gravity/

RE: [Vo]:OT: Kita - Demo Gravity Shield v.Rossi LENR

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

aNGU;AR MOMENTUM AND SPIN OF qm SYSTEMS GO “HAND IN HAND” RIGHT AND LEFT/  sI 
BE IT.

tHE LIST OF REFERENCES IN THE LINK IS IMPRESSIVE.

THANKS FOR THE COMMENT RON  .

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Ron Kita
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 7:19 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Kita - Demo Gravity Shield v.Rossi LENR

Hi Jones.Rossi...well...h...IMHO...no chirality.  Also, I always viewed 
 Dr N Kozyrev  as  "fringe" until I talked to Dr Frank Mead, USAF ret0 Edwards 
AFB- Head of
Enigmatic Sciences (X_FILES).  My view is along Kozyrev s organic Lefthanded 
molecule experimental thoughts..  As an example.. chiral -Laevo-Turpentine 
altering Time/Gravity. -- Redwood sap-turpentine.

Here is a website enjoy.Ronk Chiralexmany interesting Linkedin 
connections..including Jean Francois Geneste =ex VP research  for Airbus until 
tota; top restructuring in 2019!
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22nickoli+kozyrev+chirality=avast-a-2=AOaemvJ6v6NAKAAINwVEkotfUZRVYPvPXg%3A1639192143726=Txa0Ya3XK-qH_Qb70aO4CQ=0ahUKEwjtusfL4tr0AhXqQ98KHfvoCJcQ4dUDCA4=5=%22nickoli+kozyrev+chirality_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgjELADECc6BwgAEEcQsAM6BAgjECdKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ8ApY33ZgvKABaAJwAngAgAG4AYgBvA6SAQQwLjEzmAEAoAEByAEFwAEB=gws-wiz

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 8:51 PM Jones Beene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Ron,

Is chirality involved with the Rossi claim?

LOL - he has apparently dropped LENR for ZPE...

For those who are not aware of the "chiral miracle"

https://cqgplus.com/2016/09/12/cqg-insight-chiral-gravity/

RE: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

A good electric power meter that measures in watt /second should identify  an 
unusually  low measurement compared to a comparable light with similar 
luminosity.  If  a low power is detected an additional search  for a
  rechargeable battery is warranted.

Ordering agreements. which disallow  such testing, may exist to  stymie   
design understanding and revelation of SK1 trade secrets.

Reverse engineering COVID vaccination drugs may be easier than SK1.  
reengineering.

IMHO the World Trade Organization (WTO) should not legally  protect 
intellectual property ({P)  which is reasonably expected to protect the health, 
 safety or welfare of individuals in 2 or more countries  within WTO purview or 
 IP that is pertinent to management of the environment in two or more countries.


Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

Is this device looking like a repackaged HID lamp?

Time will tell ...

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil-

A rotating barrel of colored balls doe mot come close to a QM system which cane 
be described by equations that indicate a balance of kinetic (spin) energy and 
potential energy of magnetic dipoles that exist in quantized bits of angular 
momentum, a vector parameter.

We seem to have two concepts of a QM system at odds with each other.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:42 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3HlA_9968

Consider a quantum system of a mix of a barrel of balls of many colors. The 
barrel is spinning and the balls are being mixed. While the balls are all being 
mixed, the color of the solution or final state of the system is not known. To 
observe the state (color) that the system is in, the barrel must be stopped 
from rotating and the observer must extract a colored ball from the stationary 
barrel. The color of that ball is the resolution of the observation.

The condition of many colored balls is called superposition. A system can be 
many things all at the same time and that system changes among those many 
conditions at random from one instant to the next. A system may resolve into 
one of these many states when the system terminates (The barrel stops rotating) 
and the color of the selected ball is observed.

Quantum mechanics does not follow the scientific method, it is not 
reductionist. It is a system that follows probability because randomization 
among many possible states is involved

“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His 
own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other 
players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant 
of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a 
Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.”





On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:30 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil Axil—

I consider the physics discussed in the items you have referenced do not have a 
logical basis, since there is no assumption of cause and effect.  This  
situation avoid the application of the scientific method IMHO.

SMOKE AND MIRROWS come to mind.  A better summary than
energy being coughed up by the vacuum would be the “hand of God”  takes charge 
of the collapse of QM systems when humans look too closely.


Bob Cook














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From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:11 AM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are confined to 
a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that nuclear reaction is not 
possible to observe. This means that if particles are generated and energy is 
produced, those particles and that energy is not observable to the observer. 
This is known as the "Measurement problem".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8

After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum system 
becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But this energy is 
not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum as rendered by "vacuum 
decay" where a small amount of residual energy and matter stored in the quantum 
system is released in a disruptive process of system disintegration and 
therefore such residual matter and energy becomes  observable.

There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in which the 
quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of stored residual matter 
and energy that is released during the destruction of the erstwhile quantum 
system.

If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was 
coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a fool's errand 
to try to make sence of the quantum processes that had occured when the quantum 
system was coherent. This observation and its understanding is not possible 
because the expectations of the classical world do not apply to the processes 
that were quantum coherent and rendered unobservable.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and 
operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target 
isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the 
differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resona

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It seems correct that Jurg made the comment which I also agree is valid.

Bob Cooks

From: Robin
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:33:39 
+:
Hi Bob,
>Robin-
>
>You make a significant statement:
>
>” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Actually I didn't make that statement, I simply pointed to a website that I 
believe belongs to the author of the paper.
The original statement was made by Jürg.
Nevertheless, I strongly suspect that he is at least close to correct.

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin-

You make a significant statement:

” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Gravity is the attractive force between  2 or more populations of randomly 
oriented  magnetic dipoles lie those found in nucleons.

This was pointed by Romanian phyusists in a 2019 paper housed in the Cornell 
University technical paper archive.



Bob Cook

--
From: Robin
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:34:22 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer
>
>https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjW9tb_iM_0AhUjhv0HHUXXAxsQFnoECBQQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fdocplayer.net%2F83778110-Aes-2016-malaga-spain.html=AOvVaw196fS5Fh4R7wyXL9k0Gf9q
>--> "Electromagnetic Nuclear Physics"

See also http://thestrongforce.canalblog.com
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil—

I consider the physics discussed in the items you have referenced do not have a 
logical basis, since there is no assumption of cause and effect.  This  
situation avoid the application of the scientific method IMHO.

SMOKE AND MIRROWS come to mind.  A better summary than
energy being coughed up by the vacuum would be the “hand of God”  takes charge 
of the collapse of QM systems when humans look too closely.


Bob Cook














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From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:11 AM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are confined to 
a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that nuclear reaction is not 
possible to observe. This means that if particles are generated and energy is 
produced, those particles and that energy is not observable to the observer. 
This is known as the "Measurement problem".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8

After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum system 
becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But this energy is 
not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum as rendered by "vacuum 
decay" where a small amount of residual energy and matter stored in the quantum 
system is released in a disruptive process of system disintegration and 
therefore such residual matter and energy becomes  observable.

There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in which the 
quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of stored residual matter 
and energy that is released during the destruction of the erstwhile quantum 
system.

If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was 
coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a fool's errand 
to try to make sence of the quantum processes that had occured when the quantum 
system was coherent. This observation and its understanding is not possible 
because the expectations of the classical world do not apply to the processes 
that were quantum coherent and rendered unobservable.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and 
operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target 
isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the 
differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resonant to 
react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.

The magnetic is shut off and the target isotope returns to is grouind state 
with the emission of a photon to conserve energy and angular momentum of the QM 
system.

LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS ARE REAL .   A RECOIL OF THE ISOTOPE OCCURS WHEN 
THE PHIOTON IS EMITTED TO CONSERVE MOMENTOM.  angular IS ALSO CONSERVED BY THE 
PHOTON AS I RECALL.

Bob Cook

PS:  My work with NMR was 60 years ago in 19621.


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From: Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:59:44 PM
To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a change in 
the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy changes, the 
nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding energy is oftentimes 
carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.

If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are to be 
expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and still is a 
major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science community that the 
nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.

By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his Reaction 
has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what Holmlid was seeing 
were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as detected by Sveinn Ólafsson 
's cloud chamber.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

Axil,



You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter physics.

A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe that 
mass at rest can produce this???





J.W.
On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma radiation is 
coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with particle 
emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well de

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and 
operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target 
isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the 
differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resonant to 
react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.

The magnetic is shut off and the target isotope returns to is grouind state 
with the emission of a photon to conserve energy and angular momentum of the QM 
system.

LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS ARE REAL .   A RECOIL OF THE ISOTOPE OCCURS WHEN 
THE PHIOTON IS EMITTED TO CONSERVE MOMENTOM.  angular IS ALSO CONSERVED BY THE 
PHOTON AS I RECALL.

Bob Cook

PS:  My work with NMR was 60 years ago in 19621.


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From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:59:44 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a change in 
the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy changes, the 
nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding energy is oftentimes 
carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.

If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are to be 
expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and still is a 
major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science community that the 
nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.

By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his Reaction 
has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what Holmlid was seeing 
were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as detected by Sveinn Ólafsson 
's cloud chamber.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

Axil,


You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter physics.

A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe that 
mass at rest can produce this???



J.W.

On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma radiation is 
coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with particle 
emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined particle emissions. Also 
explain how the reaction is being produced. Keep in mind that high energy 
radiation can be produced by breaking radiation from high energy electrons. 
These high energy electron based wide continuous spectrum reactions are not 
necessarily nuclear reactions.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose


J.W.

On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:

Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil wrote:
“We went through this before regarding ferrosilicon production. The "reaction" 
does not produce any energy as well as radiation and particles.

Recently. to support my claim that transmutation is not energy generation 
productive, in the post titled "LENR transmutation may be subject to quantum 
mechanical superposition," I reference the production of ferrosilicon in India 
as an example of massive transmutation with little if no excess energy 
production.

See

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf”


Page 8 of the report cited in Axil Axil’s comment is copied  hereafter:

>>>>>8. Remarks on Possible Future Studies Unfortunately Silcal operations were 
>>>>>severely crippled by power cuts ranging from 30 to 100% and frequent power 
>>>>> nterruptions from 1996 onwards till 1999. Following a dispute regarding 
>>>>>violation of Power Tariff agreement with the state government and 
>>>>>withdrawal of exemptions from power cut for our industry, the Silcal plant 
>>>>>had to be shut down in 2002 and the company wound up in 2010. This was an 
>>>>>inevitable consequence of the fact that cost of electrical power consumed 
>>>>>forms a substantial component of the net cost of production of Fe–Si alloy 
>>>>>by the smelting process What has been has been observed by us in our plant 
>>>>>may be considered to be only partial transmutation of the C and O present 
>>>>>in the reaction zone into Si and Fe. As such we were making attempts to 
>>>>>attain 100% transmutation of all the carbon and oxygen nuclei present in 
>>>>>the input feed, from 1995 to 2002. For the last 15 years, we have been 
>>>>>contemplating various ways of improving the technology, hoping to move 
>>>>>towards achieving 100% transmutations. We do believe that we now have 
>>>>>the design and operational parameters for such an improved plant design. 
>>>>>If we had carried out isotopic analysis of the produced Fe–Si alloy it 
>>>>>would have given us very valuable clues. We deeply regret not having 
>>>>>thought of doing this those days. We are meanwhile continuing efforts to 
>>>>>try and set up a new plant where these transmutation results could be 
>>>>>replicated once again. The objective of this paper is to share our 
>>>>>findings with the LENR community, with the hope that operators of sim- 
>>>>>ilar plants elsewhere in the world, especially in Norway, could be 
>>>>>encouraged to look for the occurrence of anomalous production of Si and Fe 
>>>>>in similar submerged arc furnace smelting plants. On our part we shall be 
>>>>>most happy to shareour results and experience in a true scientific spirit 
>>>>>with anyone interested.<<<<<<

My second sentence of my comments to Axil Axil  is not clear and may have been 
misunderstood.

I have modified this sentence with bold font  as follows:

The increase  in  phonic kinetic energy of an atomic system of electrons  is 
subsequently emitted as  low  energy radiation  (NON-GAMMA)  with a resulting 
decrease of the total energy of the new nuclear configuration—a nuclear 
transmutation.

The Indian paper cited by Axil Axil seems to recognize the potential of  
increased smelting process heat, but does not address  the QM system with a 
phase change and subsequent release of phonic kinetic energy.

Bob Cook

_

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without basis 
IMHOP.

I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy of an 
entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM 
conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.

The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits radiant 
(NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy of the new 
nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.

The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.

The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary phonic 
and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a controlling 
magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.

This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal grain 
size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.

Bob Cook

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From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without basis 
IMHOP.

I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy of an 
entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM 
conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.

The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits radiant 
(NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy of the new 
nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.

The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.

The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary phonic 
and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a controlling 
magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.

This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal grain 
size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.

Bob Cook

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From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

RE: [Vo]:From Atomic Clocks to Nulcear Clocks

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry—


Are increments quantized or associated with some observable repeatable natural 
event. For example, the rotation of an electron’s magnetic field on a toroidal 
surface?

Jurg  WYYTTENBACH   considers  a similar proton model   in his SO(4) PHYSICS  
evaluations.

Bob Cook


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From: H LV
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:35 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:From Atomic Clocks to Nulcear Clocks

Nature article from Feb. 2021:
The thorium-229 low-energy isomer and the nuclear clock.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s42254-021-00286-6
abstract
The 229Th nucleus has an isomeric state at an energy of about 8 eV
above the ground state, several orders of magnitude lower than typical
nuclear excitation energies. This has inspired the development of a
field of low-energy nuclear physics in which nuclear transition rates
are influenced by the electron shell. The low energy makes the 229Th
isomer accessible to resonant laser excitation. Observed in
laser-cooled trapped thorium ions or with thorium dopant ions in a
transparent solid, the nuclear resonance may serve as the reference
for an optical clock of very high accuracy. Precision frequency
comparisons between such a nuclear clock and conventional atomic
clocks will provide sensitivity to the effects of hypothetical new
physics beyond the standard model. Although laser excitation of 229Th
remains an unsolved challenge, recent experiments have provided
essential information on the transition energy and relevant nuclear
properties, advancing the field.
--
<>
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQUZW_sxJI


Harry

RE: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Questions for Vibrator:

VIBRATOR—


  1.  To clarify your comments Re the Thermocore Ni / H runaway reaction, a 
good physical model of the VACUUM is warranted.
  2.  2. I think you are suggesting that the Rossi  SKL reactor is a dusty 
plasma of Bosons and Fermions of discrete entangled systems—I am not certain at 
all.\3.
  3.  I so agree that increase of entropy among  a population of closed say 
stems entails transfer of enthalpy  per the 2nd law of TH.
  4.  Small quantities of Ni powder and H should runaway also, unless t size of 
the various Ni  crystals is insufficient to heat the other particles to 
reacting phonic resonant  spin quanta-angular momentum.
  5.  A magnetic field applied to the reactants may allow better control of the 
phase changes of the various QM systems’ spin energy states.

Bob  Cook

From: Vibrator !
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 7:13 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

In light of Rossi's apparent lead i'd be looking at the possibility of 
spontaneous formation of novel condensates.  The D2 diatomic molecule being a 
boson presents an obvious soft target for aligning spins to cohere into shared 
lower-energy quantum states, the different magnetic moments of the electron and 
nucleus of the deuterium atom passing through the high magnetic moments of the 
Ni powder might cause some degree of polarisation and/or phase coherence, etc. 
- the basic idea being to cultivate an optimal fluctuation in Fermi numbers / 
system entropy relative to surrounding environmental free electrons (such as in 
the reactor casing, say), which may adopt the lower-energy quantum states 
vacated by the formation of the condensates; thus forcing the vacuum to assign 
higher Fermi numbers / quantum energy states to any fermions exiting a 
collapsing condensate than they initially carried into it.  This manifests as 
an exothermic gain accumulating over many such cycles..

..until thermal phase begins to approach resonant modes with certain quantum 
phases (such as the zitterbewegung phase), resulting in further 
quantum-classical coherence and allowing like-polarised electrons to begin 
sharing Fermi numbers, so adopting the lowest available energy state but also 
causing precipitous fluctuations in system entropy relative to the environment, 
surrounding free electrons instantly co-opting lower Fermi numbers as they 
become available, and so causing the vacuum to assign necessarily-higher 
quantum energy states to fermions exiting transiently-coherent quasi-bosonic 
states and yadda yadda runaway feedback loop.

Vacuum / ZP energy, bashically, a la EM OU - the accelerated / heated fermions 
exiting the meta-stable bosonic states being impelled by a flux of positive 
h-bar endowed by virtual photons corralled from vacuum per QED - ie. the actual 
form of the gain being normal Coulomb repulsion between decohering fermions, 
albeit with vacuum-inflated quantum energy states.

LENR effects may be epiphenomenal to the common energy gain principle, an 
almost incidental artefact of spontaneous long-range coupling between nuclei 
immersed in a matrix of coherent quasi-bosons allowing them to interact in some 
sense as if already within one another's proton radii, presumably conserving 
baryon number if not initial disposition (again, a different kind of effective 
Coulomb exploit).  The key dynamic would simply be that transiently-stable 
shared lower-energy quantum states free up Fermi numbers that any environmental 
fermions in higher energy states will automatically drop down into, 
necessitating the assigning of higher Fermi numbers to those departing these 
shared states, thus energising these collapses with an extra kick of ambient 
h-bar from vacuum.

This is basically what Rossi's doing via contained cold plasmas - time-critical 
selective-energisation of electrons over ions causing like-polasrised 
condensates of the former to precipitate out onto the latter, forming 
transiently-stable structures with an emission line consistent with the 
precessional moment of a protium-nucleated thermo-ZBW condensate;  decoherence 
of which (reinstating Pauli exclusion) yields excess energy, the cycle 
requiring cool-off time to prevent ions gaining thermal equilibrium with 
electrons (via normal dissipation), hence a discontinuous / pulsed cycle, in 
order to maintain the formative 'non-thermal plasma' state for consistently 
culturing these exotic self-reactive species and the huge fluctuations in 
internal vs ambient entropy / quantum energy states their concerted phase 
transitions apply.  Crucially, the system remains thermodynamically open to 
(and dependent upon) the environmental exchange of entropy, 2LoT itself putting 
the vacuum in a bind, which then HAS to assign higher energy states to 
decohering fermions due to their formerly-vacated states having been reoccupied 
the instant any up-up or 

RE: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Hi Bill and others—

Ideas on LENR theory:


HYPOTHIS:

1. Some/Most of the Ni powder were individual crystals of Ni which were a  QM 
(entangled) systems of  nucleons and atomic electrons coupled by a magnagentic 
"B"| field.

2. The QM systems of  my  first assumption could  be characterized by   
equations  (Hamiltonians) that characterize differing phases of the pertinent 
QM system.

3. Angular momentum  ands energy are conserved in the possible phases of any QM 
system.

4. Positrons, electrons and neutrinos make up the elementary  particles of the 
assumed QM systems  proposed in 1 above.  (A nucleon model proposed by William 
Stubbs is a key basis for  this assumption.)

5. H or H2 when added tp the Ni powder become part to the QM  system as an 
additional lattice nucleons(s).

6.  A fast LEMNR reaction involving a phonic increase in lattice  energy and 
angular momentum, an electron/positrons annihilations and a nuclear 
transmutation with lower, totalangular momentum and energy equal to the 
respective increases of the lattice electrons.

7.  Relatively slow cooling of the "hot" Ni  crystals follows per accepted 
theory.

NOTES:

1. AM is quantized at  in increments pf h/2-pi.
2 Magnetic moments are associated with the AM of primary particles.
3. Toradol shaped rotating  magnetic field may produce  what is commonly- 
called electric charge.  So(4) physics may be applicable to quantification.  ( 
Jurg may have better ideas about this.)

Bob Cook




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From: Bill Antoni
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 1:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

If hydrogen adsorbed on suitable catalysts can be made to desorb for example 
with UV light, and if then a transition of the H atoms to a compressed state in 
desorption also in turn causes the emission of UV light (without focus on any 
theory in particular, although R. Mills has studied such emissions with his 
Hydrinos) in a positive feedback loop, one such laser might be possible, but it 
all depends on how probable such transitions are. They are likely to be very 
rare with ordinary, untreated hydrogen-active metals (Ni, Pd, Pt, etc) or also 
more complex catalysts as used in commercial chemical reactors, causing them to 
go unnoticed most of the time. So, it's unknown whether such laser would be 
actually feasible in practice.

Although it will not work for a laser, with these mechanisms in mind, perhaps a 
reactor composed of a very long coiled tube with the active material coated on 
its internal walls could work more efficiently than a big chamber with loose 
powder, while still being in principle overall relatively simple to craft. The 
tube could be coiled around a heater of some sort, and tube geometry and gas 
admission would have to be such as to maximize repeated hydrogen contact with 
the catalyst coated on the internal walls (e.g. a straight tube might not work 
well and a free-flowing system could be better than one where hydrogen only 
very slowly diffuses through the material) instead of just absorption into the 
lattice as done in many gas-loaded LENR experiments.

I'm aware that one experiment by Mills or somebody else to verify his theories 
used a long nickel tube in an electrolytic cell, but that would be different 
than what I am thinking about here.

Cheers, BA
On 2021-11-22 19:54, Jones Beene wrote:
Hi Bill,

Your thought about "critical volume" is intriguing and brings up the 
possibility of efficient self-lasing due to adsorption/desorption and 
catalysis. Of interest would be the violet H line at 410 nm for which there is 
already a secret US Navy weapon in this category. Coincidence?

This could involve the possibility of a self-generating two-gas laser where one 
gas is hydrogen and the other is hydrogen in the collapsed state, formed in 
situ and making the device efficient due to a UV emission cascade. This might 
explain why a hemispherical reactor is useful (assuming reflectivity is 
enhanced)

In this regard, this old patent
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4159453A/en

and this article
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/lc/2008/839873/

seem to suggest that something like this possibility has been considered 
before... and might explain why the Thermacore project (with the Navy) was 
"apparently" canceled, despite the energy anomaly.

Probably worth a deeper look...


Bill Antoni wrote:

Jones Beene wrote:


One further thought about the Thermacore runaway - is there a potential lesson

there, for experiment design ?

There could be one lesson which can be called - GO BIG... but also BEWARE if

you go big.

Perhaps there is something akin to critical mass, which is important for

maximum gain, as in nuclear fission?

If there is a very small but non-zero chance for hydrogen to undergo certain 
transitions as it's adsorbed-desorbed from the catalyst 

RE: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Higgins raised some good questions.

I assumed from your description of the
Thermacore test that the reactor was  a flanged hemisphere bolted to a bottom 
SS plate, not a complete spherical reactor.\

Do you know of a report or other reference for the test>:

Bob Cook








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From: Jones Beene
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 1:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

Hi Bob,

Yes, there are way too many loose ends in this story - not the least of which 
is: where is that damaged reactor now? It is almost unconscionable to have 
ignored it all these years.

If a nuclear reaction had happened, there should be residual radiation. Not to 
mention - most top engineers would want to write this episode up, at some 
point. And also - Gene Mallove was apparently going to get involved before his 
tragic fate.

Like so many stories in LERN since '89 this is one more mystery which is full 
of contrasting doubt and hope.


Bob Higgins wrote:


Thank you, Jones, for that historical highlight of the Thermacore experiment.

2.5 pounds of the Ni would have only amounted to 12% volumetric fill of the 3L 
container volume.

When you say the stainless steel pressure vessel had a "hemispherical volume", 
what do you mean?  Do you mean the pressure vessel was spherical?  Or was it 
cylindrical with hemispherical top and bottom?

If the vessel was spherical, it would have an inside diameter of about 7" for 
an internal volume of 3L.  If we then presume that it was 300 pounds of 
stainless steel, that is 1034 in^3 that would be in the shell of the container. 
 This would mean that the wall thickness of the container would have been 4.9" 
- extremely thick.  This is an unlikely sounding container.  Was it really that 
thick?  For what purpose would such a container have ever been created?

Jones Beene  wrote:

After all of these decades, the perception of LENR in the general physics
community is still rather 'unflattering,' shall we say. It is not even clear 
what
the most convincing experiment (aka - the hero effort) is/was in the field -
since none has yet led to a commercial product.

Many new observers of the LENR scene are unaware of the details of the
Thermacore, Inc. runaway reaction in 1996. I ran across an old post on that
work recently and decided to re-post it since there is some similarity to 
current
work - to wit the Clean Planet effort in Japan.

Unfortunately, the end result was not (publicly) replicated, but in fact became
the final effort (and exit). (BTW - Thermacore was a recognized leader in all
aspects of industrial thermochemistry, having inventedthe heat pipe. Had they
kept at it (1996)... who knows?

Sadly, the reason that they dropped LENR 25 years ago was far from 'no gain' -
instead, it was the risk of deadly explosion. The incident echoes other thermal
runaways, including P, Mizuno, Mark Snoswell in Australia and Brian Ahern.
However, Thermacore's was more  energetic than prior incidents and could have
led to high profile fatalities.



This was to have been a powered experiment, but they never had time to apply

input power. It was was a follow-on to a Phase one grant from USAF

(document in LENR-CANR library) and was simply intended to be an analysis

the absorption reaction of a large amount of nickel powder with hydrogen at

modest pressure. Instead, it was likely to have been the most energetic single
event in the history of LENR.



Years later, Brian Ahern was in contact with Nelson Gernert, the chief

researcher in the new Thermacore, Inc (having gone through two changes of

ownership) ... and who was also in charge of the runaway. Brian is absolutely
convinced that this happened as described.



Details: Gernert added 2.5 pounds of nickel powder (200 mesh of Ni-200) into a
3 liter stainless steel Dewar. The Dewar weighed 300 pounds. It was a strong

pressure vessel with a hemispherical volume. It would have been an
approximation of a small industrial boiler had things not gone berserk that day.

Thermacore evacuated the nickel under vacuum for several days before adding
H2 gas at 2 atmospheres. The most amazing thing happened next. The powder
immediately and spontaneously heated up before external power could even
be added. The Dewar glowed orange (800C) and the engineers ran for cover.
No external heat had been used and radiation monitors were not running. The
nickel had sintered into a glob alloyed into the vessel and could not be 
removed.



The (then) owner of Thermacore, Yale Eastman was frightened that an

explosion was imminent and that someone could be killed. He forbade any

further work on LENR. The incident was not published.

Superficial thermal analysis - 3 liters of H2 gas at 2 atmosphere will have a 
heat
of combustion of 74 kilojoules if combined with oxygen (but there was no oxygen
in the Dewar). 

RE: [Vo]:crenulated micro ball

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

In response to Axil’ request for an explanation of changes in an EVO I note the 
following:

The Al ball  starts as a coherent system of a nearly homogenous  group of atoms 
  composed of electrons and positrons with a total energy (kinetic plus 
potential.)

All the kinetic energy is spin energy with  total angular  momentum  near or 
equal to zero.

A varying magnetic happens and changes the balance between potential and 
kinetic energy with an increase in spin in  the atomic electrons (phonic or 
thermal energy) and a decrease of the spin energy of various nucleons .  
thereby increasing the entropy of the coherent system.

The Al mass has accomplished a PHASWE change with  no change in total energy, 
but with an increase in thermal energy.  The change  happens very fast,

The new thermal energy is shared relatively slowly by common I R radiation  and 
normal convective and conduictive heat exchange mechanisms


The total energy of the original system is lower (more stable) with the  excess 
energy lost  to the universe  where entropy seems to always increase.

The phase change noted above does NOT entail  any linear momentum and hence no 
energetic single particles of radiation

Bob Cook
an ex









Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 2:04 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:crenulated micro ball

Here is a SEM and an elemental analysis of a crenulated micro ball that is 
produced by a cavitation cleaner through the creation and activation of EVOs. 
In this miracle of creation, aluminum foil is made to disappear and a small 
residual deposition of differing elements takes the form of this ball. I would 
like to understand the details of how such a process can happen all without any 
signs of any radiation or heat.

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35fdf076-2720-4ce3-b215-71535f1b8c1b_1200x512.png

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Carbon monoxide alarm

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Did your old  furnace   have a closed combustion system with a separate fresh 
air pipe and   combustion gas exhaust?

I hope your mew finance does.  That exhaust pipe SHOULD NOT LEAK.  If it leaks 
a new furnaced may not resolve CO accumulation.

Bob Cook

---
From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:26 PM
To: c...@googlegroups.com; 
Vortex
Subject: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Carbon monoxide alarm

I strongly recommend that readers equip their houses with alarms for smoke and 
carbon monoxide. A carbon monoxide alarm may have saved my life a few days ago. 
Some of the things it did surprised me, and made me think it was a false alarm, 
so let me describe what happened. If you ignore what you assume is a false 
alarm, you might wake up dead.

Last year we had our house electric system repaired and brought up to code, 
which includes adding hard-wired alarms for smoke and CO to every bedroom. On 
April 5, at 6:30 a.m., the alarm located in the hallway above the furnace 
return triggered continuously. I turned off the furnace and opened doors to the 
outside. The alarm triggered again some minutes later.

There are three alarms in that area, one in the hall, and two in the rooms 
beyond, but I think only the one in the hallway triggered. It continued to beep 
periodically. It stopped for a while and then ended with a flurry of short 
beeps after 9 a.m.:

9:14
9:18
9:22
9:24
9:28

Nothing after that. During these final bursts, I am sure only that one alarm 
triggered. The unit also emitted a bright red light from inside, like something 
from a 1960s science fiction movie.

CO gas is lighter than air. Apparently, it was trapped in the hallway ceiling, 
which forms a bowl above 5 doors. It is surprising the gas took so long to 
disperse. I should have put a fan in the hallway.

The HVAC guy came. He turned on the furnace again and used a hand-held meter to 
confirm there was CO. The meter showed increasing concentration. The 
concentration did not reach a high enough level to trigger the alarm. The meter 
is more sensitive than the alarm.

At around 9 a.m. I suspected the alarm was malfunctioning, since only one alarm 
triggered, and there were periodic beeps 3 hours after the furnace was turned 
off. However, the hand-held meter confirmed there was a problem, and since that 
time the alarm has not triggered. The furnace has remained off.

I recommend you install a CO alarm on the ceiling or high up on the wall.

Without 21st century CO detection and mRNA vaccine technology, I might have 
died twice in the last few months. You see why no one is more in favor of 
progress and technology than me. Of course I also acknowledge the harm they 
cause.

A new furnace will be installed tomorrow.

RE: [Vo]:Texture of magnetic vector rotation in a special knot group

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

DON AND JURG--   --

QUESTIONS:


  1.  Does a magnetic vector imply 3 space  dimensions or only 1
  2.  I s a magnetic field as described by Maxwell also implied?
  3.Are there any intrinsic magmatic physical parameters associated with a 
space dimension(s)?
  4.  What is magnetic flux? (Flux  implies a flow of something,)
  5.  Is magmatic flux related to the angular momentum?
  6.  Is angular momentum a quantized physical parameter or dimension?
  7.  Is space a real physicals dimensiom(s) continuous to 0 ?

Bob Cook






From: Don
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 2:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Texture of magnetic vector rotation in a special knot group


Hi Jürg!


On 3/31/2021 7:38 AM, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote (about what Don wrote below):

Did you notice that the knots are based on Fibonacci numbers?

The same as in SO(4) physics torus knots!  The magic of flux partition!

J.W.

I'm not sure what you are asking, Jürg.

If you mean, did I notice the numbers are in the Fibonacci sequence, then, yup. 
 I was searching through parametric substitutions using ray-tracing rendering 
and animated search sequences, with all manor of golden and platonic 
combinations over the years.

If you mean, did I notice or discover the Fibonacci number thing, rather than 
develop from another's work, the answer is still yes.  This is golden stuff  of 
my compulsive amateur curiosity, and the golden torus knot seems mapped out to 
my satisfaction, now, so that the nickles in my pocket are beginning to itch 
for want of parts to assemble.  I wanted to (think I) know what I was doing 
before I spent part of our grocery and vice budget.  Now I'm out of excuses.

Or did you mean to ask something other?

---

My curiosity-vectored search has over the years seemed to have a mind of its 
own (Zen-vectored moments of pondering).  I'm really surprised after the system 
design closure of principle last September that the solution was a unique 
arrangement, but an arrangement of concepts I knew well (enough) for years.  
Also, for me, layers of head-jolting-synchronicites kept motivation to keep 
searching at a high level.

Thank you for your curiosity!



-Don

Amateur Engineer and Newbie Woodworker, Director of Bucket List Operations (BLO)

Phi = 5^.5 * .5 + .5 <-- In case all the other keys on your calculator are stuck


On 31.03.2021 15:13, Don wrote:

Hello Vortex People,



This is some serious stuff to me as a hobby.  I call it a hobby so people won't 
think I'm too serious.

But seriously, a certain group of knots on the same donut afford a golden 
opportunity to get organized and orderly on the torus surface <-- with a 
magnetic vector wave continually revolving at velocity by frequency per scale.

A certain group of entangled knots affords what I always thought was going to 
be easy to do.  Well, just winding a helix around a donut multiple times, 
entangling with the earlier windings, and connecting where it started as a 
'smooth' torus knot, gets the surface-velocity-timing of the vector rotation 
all mixed up.   Don't despair!

---

Brought to you by shear boredom during panedemania...

There is a way to wind a group of smooth torus knots on a torus surface, in 
such a way that the torus knots are energized in step-phased electrical 
current, smoothly and continuously over the surface.

The trick is not a 'way to do it', but which knots to smoothly entangle when 
separated by 120 degrees each around the donut <-- and this trick appears and 
disappears by the number of entangled phases.  This focus will be only about 
3-phase.

The answer of which knot to use is --> 13:8 <-- The p:q knot ratio turns around 
the torus axis (p) and helical loops through the torus hole (q).  Or, that's my 
personal choice.

The 3:2 knot, the 13:8, and the 55:34 are the first three knots which also 
share the quality of 1) q = even number, and 2) p and q are adjacent numbers in 
the Fibonacci sequence.

---

Hot or Knot?

What's your vote as a sensible knot for prototype studies toward revolving a 
magnetic vector tangentially and continuously around the surface of a golden 
donut (by torus profile) at a golden slope through the torus plane, and a 
golden slope from the axis through the torus hole?

---

Why q = even numbers?

Because, for even q-s, the electrical connection points for bifilar conduction 
are diametrically opposite each other on the outer circumference of the donut.

So?  Because then, electrical connection is performed away from the torus 
center hole, and all connections for 3-phase group of knots on a donut are done 
on a six-point layout, as a hexagon.  A magnetic self-resonance on the knot 
group (at a few megaHz of ring-amp tail-chase current-reversals for maximized 
delta-B) will have minimal magnetic interference leading away from the magnetic 
surface of the copper array, a copper wound donut. There's nothing in the 
center hole of the 

RE: [Vo]:Re: Unexplained Magnetic Phenomenon EXPLAINED

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin and Terry—

Thanks for this interesting thread.

Is the author of the referenced item the same Ucar that has addressed magnetic 
items in the past on Vortex=l?

I agree with  Robin\s comment  regarding  magnet propulsion.i


Ucar’s paper seems to be a primer for a prototype machine

The list of references is revealing of other interested parties.

The abstract of the paper says a lot about the physics associated with magnetic 
dipoles  and magnetism in general .

The paper does not address   the physical model that explains   a  magnetic 
field.

Bob Cook


___

From: Robin
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 3:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Unexplained Magnetic Phenomenon EXPLAINED

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:43:23 -0500:
Hi,

It just occurred to me that this sounds like it may the mechanism behind the 
John Searle flying saucer, since that also
depends on rotating magnets? (See e.g. https://manmade-ufos.com/john-searl).


>Hamdi's article has been published:
>
>https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/13/3/442
[snip]

RE: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robert==

Your questions are good.Additional questions for you:

Is your concept a singularity or does it take some  small volume?

Are neutrinos also  primary particles that occupy a small 3-D volume, if at 
rest?

Can neutrinos carry angular momentum through space?  And, if so, at what speeds?

Bob Cook


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Lee
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

They are more like geometric vibrations from the quantum vacuum fluctuations 
with miniature black holes at the vortices.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on 
Android

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 11:20 PM, Robin
 wrote:
In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:49:49 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]

>All particles we know are resonances of the proton.


Don't you think a free electron is a bit light weight to be a proton resonance?

Maybe structures other than protons are also possible?

RE: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jurg---

In response to Robin’s Frriday comment you note:


You can only measure the electron g-factor, where as you can get it from

a metric transformation from the proton strong force equation.

IIs the  strong force equation  magnetliclyderived from  flux compression

What is the equation for the force?

Bob Cook



From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works


What is a free electron, i.e. as used in an x-ray tube?

Good question!

Live - all the chemistry that forms/carries it - happens between the electron 
and the proton (inside nuclei). So we stay in between.

Physically a free electron behaves like a fat photon with a locked in wave that 
is responsible for its internal charge coupling - hence mass.

As in general relativity you can always find math to explain it differently, 
but this will not change the three only observable of an electron. It's mass, 
magnetic moment and the electron g-factor. Charge is an attribute=axiom. But 
all factors are connected and not fully independent.

But if an electron can be free is questionable as everywhere, there is mass and 
most mass has a magnetic moment, hence there will be interaction.

J.W.
On 26.02.2021 21:41, Robin wrote:

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:05:31 +0100:

Hi,

[snip]

No the electron has no stable strong force radius.



You can only measure the electron g-factor, where as you can get it from

a metric transformation from the proton strong force equation.



Physics will change. More radically as some will like.



J.W.

What is a free electron, i.e. as used in an x-ray tube?



--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22

8910 Affoltern am Albis



+41 44 760 14 18

+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jpones—

I do not consider it is that simple!

Bob Cook

PS:   However  I applaud Axil’s work to simplify the SM.

BC

From: JonesBeene
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:45 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works


Could it really be  that simple?


From: Axil Axil

There is a formal analogy between the Higgs mechanism and superconductivity. 
The historical record provides ample evidence that analogies between 
superconductivity and particle physics played an important heuristic role in 
the development of the Higgs model.

But what has recently hit my hot button was the possibility that this analogy 
may be more than a formal one but actually a physical one. The Mexican hat 
potential and spontaneous symmetry breaking are present in both these 
mechanisms.

It has recently been discovered that irradiating a superconductor with a laser 
will generate polaritons which inherit their Mexican hat potential from their 
superconducting electron feedstock. A highly probable slow light mixing cavity  
will maximize the light/matter quasiparticle environment that surrounds the 
superconductor.  It has been experimentally verified that the  polaritons that 
are produced by the superconductor will generate a tachyonic Higgs field. These 
quasiparticles are called cavity Higgs polaritons.

This serendipity opens up a physical platform where Spontaneous symmetry 
breaking, Bose condensation, the Higgs field, and tachyonic condensation open 
up the door to a realization of the predictions of string theory such as black 
strings and bubbles of metastable AdS space. Generating a metastable bubble of 
AdS  space would enable the possible experimental production of topological 
vortex-like defects such as  the 'tHooft-Polyakov monopole. Furthermore, the 
radius of curvature of anti de Sitter space provides an extra length scale that 
could allow the study of the equations of motion in a limit where the masses of 
the Higgs field and the massive vector bosons are both vanishing. This alone 
might allow the study of how matter and forces behave in a new AdS based 
universe  let alone allow for the availability of an experimental platform on 
which many of the posits of string theory can be physically tested in a real 
world rooted experimental  system.

This analogy explains how the Holmlid mechanism works. In the AdS bubble, the 
Higgs field is disabled which allows the black string to convert matter to 
energy. The energy is then transferred to the AdS environment which surrounds 
the black string where matter reforms in a new configuration.

This discussion about tachyon condensation provides theoretical context on how 
an AdS bubble is structured and how that bubble decomposes and reforms matter.

https://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/chord18/tachycond/rm/jwvideo.html

RE: [Vo]:Updated Gordon, F. Lattice Energy Converter (LEC)

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin—

I agree with your obvious conclusion when nit comes to   terminology standard 
for batteries r that  provide for release of  potential  chemical energy stored 
in the  battery’s   electrons.


To use battery terminology for LEC is confusing  the actual source of the 
potential energy observed in LEC.


Bob Cook
From: Robin
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 5:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Updated Gordon, F. Lattice Energy Converter (LEC)

In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:22:58 -0500:
Hi,

PS - At the risk of stating the obvious, the internal resistance can be 
determined by dividing the open circuit voltage
by the short circuit current.

RE: [Vo]:The Higgs polariton

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

A  charge  be  the same as a  changing  B field intensity in a  space volume 
quanta.  The definition of resonance that Jurg uses is a key concept,  I think 
an absolute time dimension does not exist, but is apparent from magnetic flux 
circulation in a locale,

A better  question is how are space and magnetic flux related IMHO.

Is magnetic flux  a dimension akin to space?And is it quantized?Spin—a 
rotating B  flux is a potential resulting  phonmenon.

Bob Cook
---

From: Robin
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 12:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Higgs polariton

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:14:50 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
> From the SO(4) model it is clear that the electron is a resonance of
>the proton. In the bound (ground) state there is no electron as we know
>it from the unbound state.
>
>The electron unfolds in three steps as it is a three wave structure that
>breaks up.

This then leads to the question...what is charge?
[snip]

RE: [Vo]:The Higgs polariton

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin and Jurg—

The conjecture regarding a nuclear/atomic model for matter is a axiom I use in 
my applied logic.


I also  doubt the common conjecture that  space is properly treated as a 
mathematical continuum to 0 and infinity/.  Singularities  are not apparent .


It may be that space is quantized at some small volume  like 1/10 e-130  
meters.   Another conjecture!  A magnetic field may be associated with all 
space quanta


My conjecture about quanta of AN. is based on experiments that  have not  
determined any between 0 and ½-2 pi   x  h.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 3:15 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Higgs polariton

The term quantization has been introduced by German theorist in good old
plain vanilla mechanics of coupled rotating masses.

The term then was transported to QM with. With h' somebody invented the
myth a minimal quantum. Experiments do show that E=hv is just a
proportionality relation nothing else. The frequency can assume any real
valued number. Thus fractions of h' must occur!

Even atomic orbits are not at all strictly quantized as orbits always
have a dopler width.

So nature is bit more complex than just Lego bricks.

J.W.

On 25.01.2021 02:16, Robin wrote:
> In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:01:48 +0100:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>> Sorry it's not quantized for photons. This is myth!
>>
>>
>> J.W.
> Are you saying that photons are the only thing that it's not quantized for, 
> or are you saying it's not quantized for
> anything?
>
>
--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:The Higgs polariton

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

AaILXIL—

I  consider yor our interest in superconductive in LENR   physics warrants a 
PHYSICAL model that includes a Higgs field an magnetic  field relation  express 
in a common math with measurable real parameters/

In addition the model should allow demonstration of n whether or or not ANGULAR 
MOMENTUM IS CONSERVED   in quanta of ½ pi  times Planck’s constant.

A consideration of a phase space coupled by real magnetic  fields is also 
probably required to reflect reality and  scientific validation of fthe 
physical model.

Bob Cook


--
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 12:30 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:The Higgs polariton

I am now interested in what happens when a superconductor is irradiated by EMF 
such as a laser or microwaves. This process  may produce a self perpetuating 
Higgs vacuum field created inside a polariton condensate that forms inside a 
superconducting cavity. The superconductor forms a cavity in which polaritons 
are created from the mixing(aka entanglement) of electrons and EMF(aka photons).

One result of this electron/EMF mixing is the creation of Bogoliubov 
quasiparticles which are neutral fermions (spin-1/2 particles). It is important 
to me to use the proper science names for major processes involved with LENR. 
That said, Rossi is producing Bogoliubov quasiparticles when he irradiates 
Holmlid's superconducting pico-clusters with microwaves in the SK, QX and SKL 
reactors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogoliubov_quasiparticle

Any electrons that are draw into the superconducting cavity will be converted 
to Bogoliubov quasiparticles when photons are being fed into the superconductor 
cavity. The production of polaritons will be unlimited because the 
superconductor will continue to attract additional electrons  into its cavity 
because of charge and mass stripping of the electrons when the polaritons as 
formed. This is how EMF reaches its electroweak upper limit.

For the math and additional details see

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sf-web-assets-prod/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/30170003/Galitski_Flatiron_cavity_talk.pdf

This article asks: "• Interesting question: what would condensing Higgs 
polaritons imply?" The answer is LENR.

There is another type of polariton that I need to understand: 
Bardasis-Schrieffer polaritons

RE: [Vo]:LENR workshop in memory of Dr. M. Srinivasan Tentative Schedule

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed—

That site requires a google registration.

Is there another way tro access the workshop papers?

Bob Cook

--

From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:28 PM
To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR workshop in memory of Dr. M. Srinivasan Tentative 
Schedule

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 5:47 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Is there a way to see papers without t registering via google?  I  AVIOPD 
GOOGLE.  I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE VARIOUS PAPERS.

Did you try the website they just opened? I don't think that requires a Google 
registration. See:

https://sites.google.com/view/lenr-workshop/home

RE: [Vo]:LENR workshop in memory of Dr. M. Srinivasan Tentative Schedule

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed

Is there a way to see papers without t registering via google?  I  AVIOPD 
GOOGLE.  I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE VARIOUS PAPERS.

Bobv

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:33 AM
To: Vortex
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR workshop in memory of Dr. M. Srinivasan Tentative 
Schedule

Here is the website:

https://sites.google.com/view/lenr-workshop/home

FW: FW: [Vo]:BLP really "bombs out" this time

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin--

Youi are right on.  That is how NMR machines work.  One field aligns the 
magnetic pole direxcrtrion and  another the magnitude of the aligning fields.   
 A varying H field assures resonance is achieved at some  instance  to allow 
the desired phase space change.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robin
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: FW: [Vo]:BLP really "bombs out" this time

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 16 Jan 2021 20:23:48 
+:
Hi Bob,

In that case, given that frequency is a function of magnetic field strength, it 
should be possible to vary the external
magnetic field strength until a matching harmonic is found, that facilitates 
the desired nuclear reaction.


>Robin=-=--
>
>I Jurg is correct about magnetic resonances  in a phase space, any localized 
>volume of space with its localized magnetic moment--free neutral particles 
>with "intrinsic spin for example, that enter that phase space may resonance, 
>if the  harmonics match up/  The energy of the incoming magnetic could then 
>transfer angular momentum, and it potential energy and kinetic energy 
>(conserving both)_ to the material making the host phase space/
>
>Ag is is easily activated because of its msg harmonicvs close to the incoming 
>space magnetic HARMONICS.
>
>NMR  USES THIS INTERACTIONM TO ACTIVATE NUCLEAR PHASE SPACE   ENTITIES WITH 
>RADIO FRTEQUENCY PHOTONS  TO  ACTIVATE NUCLEAR PHASE SPACE   ENTITIES .
>
>Photons with the correct frequency  and which get  to the  respective  phases, 
>can  are activate the entity  to a higher energy isomeric state.
>
>Bob Cook
>--
>
>From: JonesBeene
>Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:10 PM
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Subject: RE: [Vo]:BLP really "bombs out" this time
>
>Neutron activation
>
>The interesting question is this – can  dense hydrogen substitute for the 
>neutron?
>
>i.e. “the virtual neutron”
>
>
>
>From: Robin
>
>In reply to  JonesBeene's message:
>
>>Silver is very easily activated. That is one of its uses in industry.
>
>What sort of activation are you referring to here?
>
>[snip]
>
>

FW: [Vo]:BLP really "bombs out" this time

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin=-=--

I Jurg is correct about magnetic resonances  in a phase space, any localized 
volume of space with its localized magnetic moment--free neutral particles with 
"intrinsic spin for example, that enter that phase space may resonance, if the  
harmonics match up/  The energy of the incoming magnetic could then transfer 
angular momentum, and it potential energy and kinetic energy (conserving both)_ 
to the material making the host phase space/

Ag is is easily activated because of its msg harmonicvs close to the incoming 
space magnetic HARMONICS.

NMR  USES THIS INTERACTIONM TO ACTIVATE NUCLEAR PHASE SPACE   ENTITIES WITH 
RADIO FRTEQUENCY PHOTONS  TO  ACTIVATE NUCLEAR PHASE SPACE   ENTITIES .

Photons with the correct frequency  and which get  to the  respective  phases, 
can  are activate the entity  to a higher energy isomeric state.

Bob Cook
--

From: JonesBeene
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:BLP really "bombs out" this time

Neutron activation

The interesting question is this – can  dense hydrogen substitute for the 
neutron?

i.e. “the virtual neutron”



From: Robin

In reply to  JonesBeene's message:

>Silver is very easily activated. That is one of its uses in industry.

What sort of activation are you referring to here?

[snip]

RE: [Vo]:Anomalous loading of H2

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The computer model for  Ce-hydride  would be interesting.  Do the H’s pair up 
like electrons do?  What is their  separation?  HOW DO TTHEIR MAGNETIC MOMENRS  
OVERLAP/ATTRACT?

Bob Ciik

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Anomalous loading of H2

Bob

Cerium is the most common lanthanide and is actually inexpensive in quantity.

The prime application for the so-called "superhydrides" like CeH9+ seems to be 
superconductivity.

However the extremely high "loading" could indicate LENR is facilitated.Pd only 
goes to 1:1

Here is an article of interest that uses Ce at "only" 9:1 loading.

Scientists create 'impossible' superconductor CeH9 after bending the rules of 
chemistry

[cid:image003.png@01D6E763.9E2DF980]


[cid:image004.png@01D6E763.9E2DF980]
Scientists create 'impossible' superconductor CeH9 after bending the rul...

By managing to capture a cerium atom in a lattice of 29 hydrogen atoms, the 
researchers say they have bent the r...

  bobcook wrote:

Ce is more  valuablethan  most metals IMHO.  Nano particles of Ce and   H 
or D may allow fusion to occur or otter t transmutations.  The NASNO particle 
may be an  entangled  system can under go a phase change  with a swap of 
potential  for kenotic energy and conservation of spin  and angular momentum.



Bob Cook







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From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 6:42 PM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:Anomalous loading of H2



This seems quite remarkable if true - hydrogen loading ratio 16:1 with cerium

"Insight into anomalous hydrogen adsorption" Shreeja Das, et al

Hydrogen interaction with metal atoms is of prime focus for many energy related 
applications... but its binding properties with lanthanides are not well 
reported. In this article, by density functional theory studies, we show how a 
rare earth metal, cerium, binds with hydrogen... Each cerium atom is found to 
bind eight hydrogen molecules which is a much higher number than has been 
reported for transition metal atoms.

DOI: 10.1039/D0RA01835J (Paper) RSC 
Adv., 2020, 10, 12929-12940

RE: [Vo]:Anomalous loading of H2

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Ce is more  valuablethan  most metals IMHO.  Nano particles of Ce and   H 
or D may allow fusion to occur or otter t transmutations.  The NASNO particle 
may be an  entangled  system can under go a phase change  with a swap of 
potential  for kenotic energy and conservation of spin  and angular momentum.

Bob Cook



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 6:42 PM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:Anomalous loading of H2

This seems quite remarkable if true - hydrogen loading ratio 16:1 with cerium
"Insight into anomalous hydrogen adsorption" Shreeja Das, et al

Hydrogen interaction with metal atoms is of prime focus for many energy related 
applications... but its binding properties with lanthanides are not well 
reported. In this article, by density functional theory studies, we show how a 
rare earth metal, cerium, binds with hydrogen... Each cerium atom is found to 
bind eight hydrogen molecules which is a much higher number than has been 
reported for transition metal atoms.
DOI: 10.1039/D0RA01835J (Paper) RSC 
Adv., 2020, 10, 12929-12940

RE: [Vo]:Buster Keaton and the Michelson Morley experiment

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry

The 1927 paper seems valid
to mer.  Did you find any peer review  comments at  the time or in later 
critical papers

Bob

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: H LV
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 1:30 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Buster Keaton and the Michelson Morley experiment

So it seems that in 1927 the french astronomer and mathematician Ernest 
Esclangon experimentally investigated what I have been pondering.
He looked for evidence of a change in the angle of reflection with motion 
through the aether, and he found it with respect to the sidereal day, i.e. a 
day measured with respect to the "fixed stars". This is interesting since even 
in the 19th century many scientists considered it a stretch to suppose motion 
wrt to aether could be detected relative to the Sun as Michelson Morely sought 
to do with their experiment.

Sur l'existence d'une dissymétrie optique de l'espace
Translation:
On the optical dissymmetry of space and the laws of the reflection.
A note by M. Ernest Esclangon
http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/pdf/Ernest_Esclangon-On_the_optical_dissymmetry_of_space_and_the_laws_of_the_reflection_1927.pdf
About Esclangon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Esclangon


Harry



On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:39 PM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Now I am thinking it not necessary for matter to spontaneously lean into the 
aether wind. The angle that needs to change is the optical value of normality 
(perpendicularity) to a mirror. The optical normal sets the angle incidence 
equal to the angle of reflection, but if the optical normal is altered by 
motion through the aether this will alter the angle of incidence and angle of 
reflection.

Harry

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:13 PM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If matter spontaneously leaned into the aether wind then stellar aberration 
would not arise.

harry

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:09 PM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I just realized that I am just making use of the well known phenomena of 
stellar aberration...so leaning into the aether wind
can`t explain the MM experiment.

Harry


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Well one of the things that has confused me when taught relativity is- if have 
length contraction of an object in one direction and not perpendicular to that 
direction; then surely its getting denser along the contracted length and then 
increase gravitational force in the perpendicular direction; so should cause 
contraction in that direction also (?) But gravitational effect seems to be 
ignored.




-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 21:06
Subject: [Vo]:Buster Keaton and the Michelson Morley experiment
Can Buster Keaton explain the Michelson Morley experiment? ;-)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14S0qNLyghHNzB4Sp7Rg-6s8yXypz7mBz/view?usp=sharing

Instead of length contraction in the direction of the aether wind, suppose the 
perpendicular leg of the MM apparatus leans into the aether wind instead.
The right amount of lean could have the effect of lengthening the travel time 
on the nominally perpendicular leg so that no fringe shift is produced.

Harry

RE: [Vo]:Buster Keaton and the Michelson Morley experiment

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

STELLER ABERATION IS THE NON-PARALLEL  BENDING TO THE OTHERWISE STRAIGHT PATH 
OF PHOTONHESIS  BY  TO THE ATMOSPHERE’S.

I DOUBT OT HAS ANY CONTROL BE THE AETHER, SINCE ITIT CAN BE ELIMITED BVY 
COMPUTYER CALCUL;ATIONS OF THE  SO,I;ATAMEPIS CPRRECTOPMN PF ;ASER BEA,S/

bOB cOOK

From: H LV
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 9:13 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Buster Keaton and the Michelson Morley experiment

If matter spontaneously leaned into the aether wind then stellar aberration 
would not arise.

harry

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:09 PM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I just realized that I am just making use of the well known phenomena of 
stellar aberration...so leaning into the aether wind
can`t explain the MM experiment.

Harry


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Well one of the things that has confused me when taught relativity is- if have 
length contraction of an object in one direction and not perpendicular to that 
direction; then surely its getting denser along the contracted length and then 
increase gravitational force in the perpendicular direction; so should cause 
contraction in that direction also (?) But gravitational effect seems to be 
ignored.




-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 21:06
Subject: [Vo]:Buster Keaton and the Michelson Morley experiment
Can Buster Keaton explain the Michelson Morley experiment? ;-)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14S0qNLyghHNzB4Sp7Rg-6s8yXypz7mBz/view?usp=sharing

Instead of length contraction in the direction of the aether wind, suppose the 
perpendicular leg of the MM apparatus leans into the aether wind instead.
The right amount of lean could have the effect of lengthening the travel time 
on the nominally perpendicular leg so that no fringe shift is produced.

Harry

RE: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Additional ideas.

Jrg’s idea of small toroidal volumes of space aether  made f quanta of volume, 
may allow the  identification of spin quanta and association  with angular 
momentum.

All so called primary particle’s nay b rotating toroidal volumes of differing 
populations   od volume quanta.

Dark energy and pair production may be explained by the specific energy pf the 
aetther .

I consider that a direction indicated by magnetic  materials and space quabta

Real energy is conserved in and around rotating volume quanta.  ‘


Bob Coojk

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy

The ether frame also expands .  It also seems to exhibit electric and magnetic 
properties that are associated  with the speed of light, c, in in empty aether.

As the aether expands, so may its specific energy density.  There is no   
singularity, since the is a quantum of  space at the Planck distance .


Bob Cook

From: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy

Michelson's calculated a fringe shift using the notion of an aether _wind_,  
but it has gradually dawned on me that this concept is the root of the problem. 
The aether _wind_ is the splinter in the mind's eye.

The aether should be taken as the rest frame and the apparatus should be 
imagined as moving with respect to it. The apparatus does not experience any 
kind of wind as a result of its translatory motion. The only thing it 
experiences is a continual change of location wrt to the aether frame.


Harry


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 4:38 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
It's wave-particle duality; so have a particle model and wave model for photons 
and other quantum particles.



As per Einstein 1920 he did not give up on aether: "Recapitulating, we may say 
that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with 
physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether." 
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/Einstein_ether/


-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 Dec, 20 At 19:10
Subject: Re: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy
Hmm...
the Michelson Morely results can be explained using a ballistic model of light, 
but we know that such a model is an inaccurate representation of light.
It would just take a little imagination and some basic algebra to find suitable 
rules for the addition and subtraction of velocities for a wave model of light. 
However, while the measured velocity of light could decrease or increase in the 
moving frame, I still think the rules should ensure that the velocity of light 
of wrt to the aether does not change.
harry

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:21 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
a lot of that video is lies.



Brings in Lorentz- but from Lorentz theory there is no discard aether, it still 
keeps aether.



As for Michelson didn't accept Einstein relativity; well of course because MMX 
could still be understood through variable lightspeed theory, no need for 
constant lightspeed.



etc.



Just usual misrepresentations!



-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Monday, 30 Nov, 20 At 17:16
Subject: Re: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy

Here is a 30 min video (made in the 1980s) about the Michelson Morely 
experiment with some historical context. Whereas as most of his contemporaries 
embraced the null result, Michelson always regarded the experiment as a failure.

Episode 41: The Michelson morley Experiment (made in the 1980s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_jdcA8fcw

His experimental apparatus was based on the assumption that motion through the 
aether can be instrumentally decomposed into a transverse component and a 
longitudinal component. However, I think this is a methodological error that 
results from conflating the motion of a flowing fluid with a wave propagating 
in a medium. In reality all parts of the apparatus moving with speed V through 
the aether will either send light forward with speed (C-V) or send light 
rearward with speed (C+V) in the frame of the apparatus. What was analysed as 
transverse motion was really just forward motion. (These additive and 
subtractive rules ensure that the speed of light wrt to the aether frame is 
always C.)

Harry


On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 4:18 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
The problem with "aether" is that there are lots of differ

RE: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The ether frame also expands .  It also seems to exhibit electric and magnetic 
properties that are associated  with the speed of light, c, in in empty aether.

As the aether expands, so may its specific energy density.  There is no   
singularity, since the is a quantum of  space at the Planck distance .


Bob Cook

From: H LV
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy

Michelson's calculated a fringe shift using the notion of an aether _wind_,  
but it has gradually dawned on me that this concept is the root of the problem. 
The aether _wind_ is the splinter in the mind's eye.

The aether should be taken as the rest frame and the apparatus should be 
imagined as moving with respect to it. The apparatus does not experience any 
kind of wind as a result of its translatory motion. The only thing it 
experiences is a continual change of location wrt to the aether frame.


Harry


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 4:38 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
It's wave-particle duality; so have a particle model and wave model for photons 
and other quantum particles.



As per Einstein 1920 he did not give up on aether: "Recapitulating, we may say 
that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with 
physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether." 
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/Einstein_ether/


-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, 1 Dec, 20 At 19:10
Subject: Re: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy
Hmm...
the Michelson Morely results can be explained using a ballistic model of light, 
but we know that such a model is an inaccurate representation of light.
It would just take a little imagination and some basic algebra to find suitable 
rules for the addition and subtraction of velocities for a wave model of light. 
However, while the measured velocity of light could decrease or increase in the 
moving frame, I still think the rules should ensure that the velocity of light 
of wrt to the aether does not change.
harry

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:21 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
a lot of that video is lies.



Brings in Lorentz- but from Lorentz theory there is no discard aether, it still 
keeps aether.



As for Michelson didn't accept Einstein relativity; well of course because MMX 
could still be understood through variable lightspeed theory, no need for 
constant lightspeed.



etc.



Just usual misrepresentations!



-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, 30 Nov, 20 At 17:16
Subject: Re: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy

Here is a 30 min video (made in the 1980s) about the Michelson Morely 
experiment with some historical context. Whereas as most of his contemporaries 
embraced the null result, Michelson always regarded the experiment as a failure.

Episode 41: The Michelson morley Experiment (made in the 1980s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_jdcA8fcw

His experimental apparatus was based on the assumption that motion through the 
aether can be instrumentally decomposed into a transverse component and a 
longitudinal component. However, I think this is a methodological error that 
results from conflating the motion of a flowing fluid with a wave propagating 
in a medium. In reality all parts of the apparatus moving with speed V through 
the aether will either send light forward with speed (C-V) or send light 
rearward with speed (C+V) in the frame of the apparatus. What was analysed as 
transverse motion was really just forward motion. (These additive and 
subtractive rules ensure that the speed of light wrt to the aether frame is 
always C.)

Harry


On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 4:18 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
The problem with "aether" is that there are lots of different types of aether 
that can be proposed; so how is it to be defined; on the simplest level-> could 
take it as definition that-> a wave has a medium; and then -> if light is a 
wave then it should have a medium.



I explain the apparent confirmations of relativity theory-> "they" are lying; 
by such tactics as sin of omission.









-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, 28 Nov, 20 At 21:10
Subject: Re: [Vo]:De Hilster on Einstein fallacy
One of the panelists offers what could be called a weak criticism of relativity 
theory.
He says all aether theories are irrelevant because they can't be proven or 
disproven, so it is unfair
for relativists to assert anything about the existence or non-existence of an 
aether.
However, if the Michelson-Morely experiment 

RE: [Vo]:Do opposites always attract?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

harry==

tHE cl ALSO ASSUMES A CONTINUOUSA SPACE DIMENSION DOWN TO 9.

ttHAT MAY NOT BE CORRECT FOR FIELDS IN THE O h.I does not seem to explain 
magnetr moments thic would arise from charge circulation.

FRC

[ardon my spelling—recent eye problemsa.

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From: H LV
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Do opposites always attract?

Coulomb's law -- like the notion of absolute zero -- is based on an 
extrapolation.

It is possible that the rule of repulsion between like charges and the rule of 
attraction between opposite charges does not hold for very small scales.

Instead, suppose the relationship between certain charge combinations was the 
net effect of two underlying attractive and repulsive tendencies.

Ordinarily for opposite charges this would manifest as a net attraction above a 
certain distance and for similar charges as a net repulsion above a certain 
distance. Below a certain distance opposite charges would become more repulsive 
and similar charges would become more attractive.

This new rule would not alter the identity of the charge, i.e. it does not 
violate charge conservation.

Harry

RE: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I consudert that the phonic parat
Meters of a given system are a function of the size of the qm system the has 
the phonic capability.

The ambient magnetic field controles the direction of the angu7lar momentum of 
the elecvtronic structure.  \
\
To allow a transfer of angular momentum iit is necessary to have the phonic 
magnetic moment near the directiuon of the nuclear entity giving up angular 
momentum and energy rto to the accepting phonic structure of the coupled 
system,.

A laser magmetic  field may supply the required direction in the instant the 
“phase change” happens/,.  Angular momemtum m and energy must be conserved

A strong ambient magnetic field math a coridnated laser beam may make the 
reaction easier to contril/.

Bob Cook

Y spelling i9s poor because of pour eye sight.

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From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 3:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats


Unluckily Hagelstein has no clue of LENR!

Phonons energy up-scaling is not what enables LENR. The LENR reaction needs no 
energy input to induce it. It's the other way round. LENR happens if you can 
extract the excess energy. But the end of all energy is always phonons=heat and 
thus a LENR reaction needs an optimal phonon target energy for maximal 
efficient coupling. The more phonons are ready to synchronize the faster a 
reaction runs.

Gamma radiation only occurs when the phonon resonance stops/ is broken.

J.W.




On 16.10.2020 18:29, Bob Higgins wrote:
We are talking about THz stimulation of a cathode in a Pd-D electrolysis LENR 
cell.  Certain frequencies of THz excitation stimulate LENR to occur, the 
frequencies being around 8, 15, 21 THz.  These are believed to be phonon 
frequencies in the loaded Pd-D lattice.  Thus, the Letts-Cravens-Hagelstein 
experiment of the tuned dual laser illumination seems to implicate phonons in, 
at least, the stimulation of LENR.  It is a very interesting probe into the 
underlying mechanism of LENR.

Here is the curve:
[cid:image002.png@01D6A53C.D9C92FF0]
It is from:

Hagelstein, P. L., D. Letts, and D. Cravens. "Terahertz difference frequency 
response of Pd-D in two-lader experiments." J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 3 
(2010) 59-76


On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:32 PM Robert Lee 
mailto:mrrobert...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
I must've missed a few classes; are you talking about creating or removing heat 
in a general sense, starting an atomic nuclear reaction, or simply producing 
energy? I joined the group last night and, obviously, missed a few emails, too. 
Just curious.
Bob Lee

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RE: [Vo]:Hotspn's quwastion RE anfular momenrum energy--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry-

Wiki is of no help in in understanding spin,  Dpon seems to be a quantized 
dimension—like space; but not continuous.

In science who decides what is intrinsic?

Is space also a thing  with INTRINSIC magnetic an electric  properties?

Bob Cook
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From: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 11:33 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hotspn's quwastion RE anfular momenrum energy--
It does seem strange for Hotson's professor to insist  electron spin is an 
"inherent property" if the only way for pair production to preserve CoM and CoE 
is in the presence of a nucleus which undergoes recoil.

In this regard it is worth reading the brief wiki page on the difference 
between intrinsic and extrinsic properties. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_and_extrinsic_properties

It seems to me that if a property is believed to be either intrinsic or 
extrinsic, such a belief might constrain our ability to improve our 
understanding of the world.

Harry

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:15 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Harry---

Physics is still begging for a model to connect  a quantum of spin  AM with 
energy.

LENR would be solved, since atomic spin and nuclear spin   AM   and orbital AM 
energy could all be conserved.

Jurg Wyttenbach is working on a mode  that t may make the calculation of a 
system phase change with conservation b of AM a and energy possible.

A variable B magnetic  field could variable AM and total energy  to  allow 
conservation  of these system parameters.   Many atoms may comprise the system 
that  accommodates shch c  a  phase change. AN/energy  states are key .  
(Laic phonic   AM  and energy are pertinent.)

Bob Cook

PS: Please excuse my spelling etc. I just had eye surgwey.


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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Propellantless EM drive results



On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:18 PM Terry Blanton 
mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:07 PM JonesBeene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
 If one is a follower of Don Hotson

If one wants to be,

And for those who do not, let me see if this sidebar from the first paper can 
change your mind.

 The Hotson “family business” is English literature. Mr. Hotson’s
father and uncle had Harvard Ph.D.s in the subject, and his late
uncle was a famous Shakespeare scholar. Mr. Hotson, however,
always intended a career in physics. Unfortunately, he could not
resist asking awkward questions. His professors taught that conservation of 
mass-energy is the never-violated, rock-solid foundation of all physics. In 
“pair production” a photon of at least 1.022
MeV “creates” an electron-positron pair, each with 0.511 MeV of
rest energy, with any excess being the momentum of the “created” pair. So 
supposedly the conservation books balance.
But the “created” electron and positron both have spin (angular momentum) 
energy of h/4π. By any assumption as to the size
of electron or positron, this is far more energy than that supplied
by the photon at “creation.”
“Isn’t angular momentum energy?” he asked a professor.
“Of course it is. This half-integer spin angular momentum is
the energy needed by the electron to set up a stable standing wave
around the proton. Thus it is responsible for the Pauli exclusion
principle, hence for the extension and stability of all matter. You
could say it is the sole cause of the periodic table of elements.”
“Then where does all this energy come from? How can the ‘created’
electron have something like sixteen times more energy than
the photon that supposedly ‘created’ it? Isn’t this a huge violation of
your never-violated rock-solid foundation of all physics?”
“We regard spin angular momentum as an ‘inherent property’
of electron and positron, not as a violation of conservation.”
“But if it’s real energy, where does it come from? Does the
Energy Fairy step in and proclaim a miracle every time ‘creation’
is invoked, billions of times a second? How does this fit your
never-violated conservation?”
“‘Inherent property’ means we don’t talk about it, and you
won’t either if you want to pass this course.”
Well, this answer sounded to him like the Stephen Leacock
aphorism: “‘Shut up,’ he explained.” Later Mr. Hotson was taken
aside and told that his “attitude” was disrupting the class, and
that further, with his “attitude,” there was no chance in hell of his
completing a graduate program in physics, so “save your money.”
He ended up at the Sorbonne studying French literature, and later
became a professional land surveyor.
However, he has retained a lifelong interest in the “awkward
questions” of physics, and with Dirac’s Equation has found
some answers



I hope he had the last laugh.

[Vo]:Hotspn's quwastion RE anfular momenrum energy--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry---

Physics is still begging for a model to connect  a quantum of spin  AM with 
energy.

LENR would be solved, since atomic spin and nuclear spin   AM   and orbital AM 
energy could all be conserved.

Jurg Wyttenbach is working on a mode  that t may make the calculation of a 
system phase change with conservation b of AM a and energy possible.

A variable B magnetic  field could variable AM and total energy  to  allow 
conservation  of these system parameters.   Many atoms may comprise the system 
that  accommodates shch c  a  phase change. AN/energy  states are key .  
(Laic phonic   AM  and energy are pertinent.)

Bob Cook

PS: Please excuse my spelling etc. I just had eye surgwey.


--
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 10:27 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Propellantless EM drive results



On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:18 PM Terry Blanton 
mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:07 PM JonesBeene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
 If one is a follower of Don Hotson

If one wants to be,

And for those who do not, let me see if this sidebar from the first paper can 
change your mind.

 The Hotson “family business” is English literature. Mr. Hotson’s
father and uncle had Harvard Ph.D.s in the subject, and his late
uncle was a famous Shakespeare scholar. Mr. Hotson, however,
always intended a career in physics. Unfortunately, he could not
resist asking awkward questions. His professors taught that conservation of 
mass-energy is the never-violated, rock-solid foundation of all physics. In 
“pair production” a photon of at least 1.022
MeV “creates” an electron-positron pair, each with 0.511 MeV of
rest energy, with any excess being the momentum of the “created” pair. So 
supposedly the conservation books balance.
But the “created” electron and positron both have spin (angular momentum) 
energy of h/4π. By any assumption as to the size
of electron or positron, this is far more energy than that supplied
by the photon at “creation.”
“Isn’t angular momentum energy?” he asked a professor.
“Of course it is. This half-integer spin angular momentum is
the energy needed by the electron to set up a stable standing wave
around the proton. Thus it is responsible for the Pauli exclusion
principle, hence for the extension and stability of all matter. You
could say it is the sole cause of the periodic table of elements.”
“Then where does all this energy come from? How can the ‘created’
electron have something like sixteen times more energy than
the photon that supposedly ‘created’ it? Isn’t this a huge violation of
your never-violated rock-solid foundation of all physics?”
“We regard spin angular momentum as an ‘inherent property’
of electron and positron, not as a violation of conservation.”
“But if it’s real energy, where does it come from? Does the
Energy Fairy step in and proclaim a miracle every time ‘creation’
is invoked, billions of times a second? How does this fit your
never-violated conservation?”
“‘Inherent property’ means we don’t talk about it, and you
won’t either if you want to pass this course.”
Well, this answer sounded to him like the Stephen Leacock
aphorism: “‘Shut up,’ he explained.” Later Mr. Hotson was taken
aside and told that his “attitude” was disrupting the class, and
that further, with his “attitude,” there was no chance in hell of his
completing a graduate program in physics, so “save your money.”
He ended up at the Sorbonne studying French literature, and later
became a professional land surveyor.
However, he has retained a lifelong interest in the “awkward
questions” of physics, and with Dirac’s Equation has found
some answers



I hope he had the last laugh.

RE: [Vo]:The temperature of the CMB

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The link to the report about Houle includes:

n 1953 Hoyle's investigations of how stars generate heavy elements led him to 
predict the existence of a previously unknown state of the isotope carbon 12.

I assume the writer and Houle meant an isomeric state os C-12.  Zny 
such states were known in 1954  Maybe Hoyle knew about the state he “discovered 
in the stars’ spectrums.

He might have been his way nonhigh lighting the quasi stable phases of most all 
nuclei.

Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 6:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The temperature of the CMB

Harry,

Are you familiar with the "big bounce" arguments?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200117-what-if-the-universe-has-no-end

This emerging hypothesis seems to address some of the problems with Hoyle, Gold 
etc. which seem to falter due to CMB uniformity - and possibly represents the 
best new alternative to the standard cosmological model.

In the end, with new findings the uniformity of the CMB is in doubt and the 
current model is probably not as accurate as most would think.

Jones


H LV wrote:

The Riddle of the Redshift: The Universe We Don't Understand .
A talk given by Margaret Burbidge in 2001 ( She worked with Fred Hoyle)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eYbpykJVD8
Harry


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 4:32 PM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:


https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/remembering-big-bang-basher-fred-hoyle/
quote
<>

As we all know a CMB was found in 1965 but I was not aware that the early Big 
Bang theorists predicted a higher temperature for the CMB. I wonder how this 
discrepancy was explained by the BB theorists.

Harry

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Rpbin—

I agree its not clear what I meant..  I was intending to note that the form of 
the energy being transmitted was avoided in the presentation.  For example, was 
it EM radiation that carried the energy, a neutrino beam of kinetic energy or 
what?

Bob

From: Robin
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 2:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:26:41 
+:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Note how carefully the item avoids any mention of how the energy occurs for 
>fear of immediate necessity for classification.

What do you mean by "occurs"? They talk about using renewable energy as the 
source, and transmission in the radio
spectrum (2.5 GHz? - a guess on my part).

>
>Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Directed EM energy beams have been around since the 60’s at least.   To my 
knowledge gamma, x-ray and normal light all have been used in high energy 
medium and low energy transmission.

The technology associated with the medium and high energy spectrum has been 
weaponized and is classified in most places.  I am surprised about NZ.

Note how carefully the item avoids any mention of how the energy occurs for 
fear of immediate necessity for classification.

Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:24 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

I read it but it seemed flakey.

This could be closer to scam than to reality. No one really knows the loss-rate 
of wireless for high power uses or the dangers involved.

There is not much reason to suspect that there is a breakthrough here nor that 
this makes either scientific or economic sense, other than the mention of 
Tesla, but since they apparently are not using Tesla as a reference - where is 
their data?


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 11:13:24 AM PDT, Michael Foster  
wrote:


I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the current 
required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last time I did 
some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric cars would 
be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  Look at 
what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air conditioners 
don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% electric car 
fleet.

Wireless power transmission, if really workable, would solve this problem. 
Autos themselves could be set up to receive the power transmission, thereby 
eliminating the requirement for such large batteries.







On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 02:50:34 AM UTC, MJ 
mailto:feli...@gmail.com>> wrote:






https://emrod.energy/press-release-nz-start-up-launches-world-first-long-range-wireless-power-transmission/

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos involved?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

A recent which addresses angular momentum is the universe abd  and extra 
dimensions is as follows:

Read the 
article<https://quantamagazine.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0d6ddf7dc1a0b7297c8e06618=7ac7d42765=1c22739553>

Bob Cook
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 8:33 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos involved?

I have often wondered about neutrino physics.  Neutrinos carry a quanta of 
angular momentum and some energy whether in motion or apparently still with 
respect to an observer—a neutrino detector for example..  However the physics 
of the interaction is not defined very well.   Empirical models do exist to 
allow prediction of  Interactions with matter.

The  characteristic of neutrinos not to not display any EM quality is somewhat 
mysterious.  (They are thought to be primary particles that stand alone in 
nature., present a small rest mass and thus be attracted in a gravitational 
field.

At times I consider neutrinos to be like a dimension of space or merely a 
circulating space  volume quanta with a fixed circulating (time quanta).  And 
at a Planck  length  scale.

My comments suggest the need for some work on a physical model that that is 
validated by experimental observations!

Bob Cook


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 7:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

Robin==

As you note a protective curtain makes directed energy beams impractical—birds 
would suffer  as would moat any electronic equipment and/or  energy absorbing 
medium that got into the beam.

On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special with new 
materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  However such a device 
to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a solar neutrino collector like 
sunlight.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Robin<mailto:mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:13:13 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]
>I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
>Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

There's a good reason for that. The two technologies have nothing in common. 
Tesla used the Earth as a capacitor so that
everyone was "in" the capacitor, and attached to one of the plates. This 
company is using conventional wireless, but in
a tight beam.
>
>This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
>like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
>problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the 
>current required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last 
>time I did some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric 
>cars would be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  
>Look at what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air 
>conditioners don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% 
>electric car fleet.

I doubt mobile applications of this technology would be possible, if there were 
that many targets that had to be
followed with a tight beam. Besides, the beam is dangerous. Worse than sitting 
in a microwave oven. That's why they talk
about remote areas, and a laser curtain to detect intrusion into the beam.
It wouldn't be suitable for use within an urban environment. It could however 
be used to transport power from a remote
power plant to the top of a tall construction on the outskirts of a city, 
although it would be difficult to keep light
aircraft from crossing the beam I should imagine.
[snip]

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos involved?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I have often wondered about neutrino physics.  Neutrinos carry a quanta of 
angular momentum and some energy whether in motion or apparently still with 
respect to an observer—a neutrino detector for example..  However the physics 
of the interaction is not defined very well.   Empirical models do exist to 
allow prediction of  Interactions with matter.

The  characteristic of neutrinos not to not display any EM quality is somewhat 
mysterious.  (They are thought to be primary particles that stand alone in 
nature., present a small rest mass and thus be attracted in a gravitational 
field.

At times I consider neutrinos to be like a dimension of space or merely a 
circulating space  volume quanta with a fixed circulating (time quanta).  And 
at a Planck  length  scale.

My comments suggest the need for some work on a physical model that that is 
validated by experimental observations!

Bob Cook

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 7:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

Robin==

As you note a protective curtain makes directed energy beams impractical—birds 
would suffer  as would moat any electronic equipment and/or  energy absorbing 
medium that got into the beam.

On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special with new 
materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  However such a device 
to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a solar neutrino collector like 
sunlight.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Robin<mailto:mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:13:13 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]
>I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
>Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

There's a good reason for that. The two technologies have nothing in common. 
Tesla used the Earth as a capacitor so that
everyone was "in" the capacitor, and attached to one of the plates. This 
company is using conventional wireless, but in
a tight beam.
>
>This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
>like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
>problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the 
>current required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last 
>time I did some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric 
>cars would be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  
>Look at what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air 
>conditioners don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% 
>electric car fleet.

I doubt mobile applications of this technology would be possible, if there were 
that many targets that had to be
followed with a tight beam. Besides, the beam is dangerous. Worse than sitting 
in a microwave oven. That's why they talk
about remote areas, and a laser curtain to detect intrusion into the beam.
It wouldn't be suitable for use within an urban environment. It could however 
be used to transport power from a remote
power plant to the top of a tall construction on the outskirts of a city, 
although it would be difficult to keep light
aircraft from crossing the beam I should imagine.
[snip]

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin==

As you note a protective curtain makes directed energy beams impractical—birds 
would suffer  as would moat any electronic equipment and/or  energy absorbing 
medium that got into the beam.

On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special with new 
materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  However such a device 
to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a solar neutrino collector like 
sunlight.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robin
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:13:13 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]
>I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
>Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

There's a good reason for that. The two technologies have nothing in common. 
Tesla used the Earth as a capacitor so that
everyone was "in" the capacitor, and attached to one of the plates. This 
company is using conventional wireless, but in
a tight beam.
>
>This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
>like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
>problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the 
>current required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last 
>time I did some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric 
>cars would be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  
>Look at what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air 
>conditioners don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% 
>electric car fleet.

I doubt mobile applications of this technology would be possible, if there were 
that many targets that had to be
followed with a tight beam. Besides, the beam is dangerous. Worse than sitting 
in a microwave oven. That's why they talk
about remote areas, and a laser curtain to detect intrusion into the beam.
It wouldn't be suitable for use within an urban environment. It could however 
be used to transport power from a remote
power plant to the top of a tall construction on the outskirts of a city, 
although it would be difficult to keep light
aircraft from crossing the beam I should imagine.
[snip]

RE: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice Confinement Fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

One additional note: In my terminology x-rays originate from atomic electronic 
structure and gamma ray originate from isotope energy transitions.

Bob Cook


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 12:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice 
Confinement Fusion

Jones—

Peter’s  ideas are not much different tan t mine.  He looked for inner 
electrons of various atoms and their x-ray spectrum that had resonant energy 
transitions  that couple with nuclear gamma isomeric
energy states of a single isotope.

I am not clear if Peter’s model considered all isomeric energies of all nuclear 
species in an entangled  system.

I do not consider that the physical model Peter considers valid for nucleons 
and their pertinence to the structure of larger isotopes matches nine which 
assumes that electrons, positrons and neutrinos are the primary entities that 
make up nucleons and heavier constituent particles.

Bob Cook






From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:17 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice 
Confinement Fusion

bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:

The reason why there is no gamma stems from the transfer of spin energy in 
small quanta of angular momentum—nuclear to electric—with the same entangled 
system—the crystalline lattice of the host material.  The time frame may be 
very short—less than a femto- second.

Bob

OK. How is that explanation different from Hagelstein?

RE: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice Confinement Fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Peter’s  ideas are not much different tan t mine.  He looked for inner 
electrons of various atoms and their x-ray spectrum that had resonant energy 
transitions  that couple with nuclear gamma isomeric
energy states of a single isotope.

I am not clear if Peter’s model considered all isomeric energies of all nuclear 
species in an entangled  system.

I do not consider that the physical model Peter considers valid for nucleons 
and their pertinence to the structure of larger isotopes matches nine which 
assumes that electrons, positrons and neutrinos are the primary entities that 
make up nucleons and heavier constituent particles.

Bob Cook






From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:17 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice 
Confinement Fusion

bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:

The reason why there is no gamma stems from the transfer of spin energy in 
small quanta of angular momentum—nuclear to electric—with the same entangled 
system—the crystalline lattice of the host material.  The time frame may be 
very short—less than a femto- second.

Bob

OK. How is that explanation different from Hagelstein?

RE: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice Confinement Fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The reason why there is no gamma stems from the transfer of spin energy in 
small quanta of angular momentum—nuclear to elecroic—with the same entangled 
system—the crystalline lattice of the host material.  The time frame may be 
very short—less than a femto- second.

The new entangled system in effect changes phase with  to a quasi stable 
condition.The potential energy of the nuclear components  is lower and the 
kinetic l energy of the atomic electrons is higher with total energy being the 
same.The higher kinetic energy (thermal energy) is then shared with the 
universe by radiation of EM energy until it comes to a thermal equilibrium with 
the environment at a slow pace compared to a femto-second or shorter pace.

>From my standpoint LANT  (lattice assisted nuclear transmutation) is a more 
>accurate description of the phenomena that occurs in the entangled system,  
>and the 2nd law of TD does not apply

Bob Cook






From: Jones Beene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice 
Confinement Fusion

H LV wrote:

> Remember 10-12 years ago the buzz around x-rays from peeling tape?
https://youtu.be/r63e5y3Z3R8
> If this way of generating x-rays could be harnessed it would make this 
> lattice confinement fusion more economical.


That is a QM effect which does not scale up. The same could be said for much of 
LENR. In addition, it would seem that the Lawson criterion of hot plasma fusion 
would also apply, in a modified (reworded) way to the new and improved 
semantics for lattice enhanced but no longer "cold" fusion. i.e. when we 
observe effective temperature and pressure on the femtoscale.

As for input - an external electron beam of hot fusion could be modeled as 
internal k-shell or l-shell resonant electron. Here is the Wiki site for Lawson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_criterion

IOW - one needs only to reduce the geometry of the active site to its actual 
minimal dimension to see the similarity to plasma fusion, except for one big 
distinction.. The lack of gamma radiation remains the main difference between 
hot and (formerly) cold -- and this is where the lattice itself comes into play.

We have to assume that Hagelstein got that part right, or close - and that the 
lattice carries away most of the downshifted excess instead of gamma radiation. 
With that addition, the old "cold fusion" becomes the new QM-lattice-fusion.

It never was cold, was it?

RE: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Michael—

Is your investigation of limelight written up?

If so, it would be good to identify an accessible reference.

Two  questions that I had relative to the investigation you note:  What 
instrument did you use to determine the spectrum and what was the range of 
frequency you were able to investigate/determine wit the instrument?

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Michael Foster
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:27 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?










 On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 03:18:17 PM UTC, Jones Beene  
wrote:


>Wiki has its entry under "Oxyhydrogen" but the explosive mixture has also been 
>called HHO,
"knallgas," town gas, "common manifold electrolysis" and more. Maybe Thomas Gas 
is the breakthrough which will open the subject up again. It is a bit glib to 
lump it all as fringe science since there could be the same kernel of truth as 
in LENR - which generally leads us back to "dense hydrogen" being involved.

Actually, town gas contained CO along with the hydrogen.  You know, as in 
Gaslight, as in stick your head in the unlit oven to commit suicide.  It was 
made by passing hot steam over coke, resulting in a mixture of CO and hydrogen. 
It was used before natural gas became available in the West, although the 
Chinese had been using it centuries before.

If anyone is still interested in dense hydrogen, it seems to me the Langmuir 
atomic hydrogen torch should be the main target of investigation. There have 
been a few claims of OU about Langmuir's torch. Some calorimetry seems in order 
here.


>The original phenomenon - limelight - is 140 years old.Wow. Now we find that 
>Holmlid has given us an alternative explanation for what is going on... hmm 
>... one wonders about those old vaudevillians getting irradiated with muons.

Am I the only one on this list to make a limelight? It's pretty easy. Apply an 
oxyhydrogen torch to a piece of marble, limestone or sea shell and the calcium 
carbonate is converted to calcium oxide on the spot. The resulting brilliant 
white light is a really beautiful form of illumination. Too bad it's 
impractical for everyday use. A few years ago, I was investigating the spectral 
radiance of limelight to see if there were any lines in the spectrum that 
shouldn't be there. Didn't find any. The muons felt great, though.

RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

If the charge is drained off does the system  recharge?  I could mot see that 
clearly stated.  It seemed as if there was a swapping of potential energy 
between two phases of the system.

The entropy of the two phases would have the same minimum value in their 
respective charged phases, if the 2nd Law of TH held.

To make up any lost potential energy in the phase changes, the system may have 
gained energy from the earth’s magnetic field during realignment of magnetic 
dipoles that change direction during the phase change,  releasing electrons to 
change their quasi-stable locations in the system’s respective  materials.

As Vibrator notes, there must be a undefined source of energy—maybe ZPE or the 
Earth’s magnetic field.

Bob Cook




From: Frank Znidarsic
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5132841

[Vo]:magnetism heat and dimensions--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-cartoon-picture-of-magnets-that-has-transformed-science-20200624/

some INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS….

Loss of the directional control of angular momentum in nuclei  is probably is 
associated with the creation of unstable nuclear  conditions and isotopic 
transitions.  It  may also  change gravity
Of a group of nuclear magnetic dipoles, if the TOTAO magnetic dipole attraction 
is modified—either increases or reduced?  *This question   stems from the 
CONJECTURE that gravity results from an random collection of nuclear magnetic 
dipoles  and the respective 0  (zero) net angular momentum.

The calculation of an attractive magnetic field at large distances between 
randomly oriented groups of magnetic dipoles  supports the CONJECTURE  noted 
above IMHO.

http://downloads.hindawi.com/archive/1998/079537.pdf

A better reference would be nice.
.

Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:what ever happened with this?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Frank—

Is ther a link to the House Report you note?

Bob Xook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Frank Znidarsic
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:37 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:what ever happened with this?

Low-energy nuclear reactions. The House report encourages NSF to “evaluate the 
various theories, experiments, and scientific literature surrounding the field 
of LENR,” which is most associated with the pursuit of cold 
fusion. It also 
directs NSF to “provide a set of recommendations as to whether future federal 
investment into LENR research would be prudent, and if so, a plan for how that 
investment would be best utilized.”

[Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jurg—

FYI.  Robin made noter of the following:

https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/nudat2/RE:
\
Bob
From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

Am 17.06.20 um 20:50 schrieb Nicholas Palmer:
> I subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was
> zirconium. I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be
> part of the 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered
> zirconium can be used in old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do
> you know if anything came of it?

Zr is a violent partner in LENR reactions only working at very elevated
temperature. Brown gas can trigger strong coupled LENR reactions and Zr
may divert some energy out of the resonant "cake" due to its unique
gamma resonance structure.


J.W.

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Bifangstr.22
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044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jurg and Jones and others—

Jurg makes a good point regarding a strong field trigger for the reaction.  The 
strong field may be electric or magnetic IMHO.

The allowable energies and positions in of particles described in such a system 
by a QM wave function will be changed, and the allowable combinations of  such 
parameters reduced.

All the various particles that may be involved in the suggested LENR reaction 
that have a magnetic moment (dipole, quadrupole, octupole etc.) will align to 
some degree with the instanteous magnetic field, including one  associated with 
a passing photon of a laser beam.  If the  photons wave front is large enough 
and intense enough, many particles may resonate and exchange spin energy 
between themselves.

Some of the particles will increase their spin energy (for example. atoms with 
an electron structure) and others will decrease their spin energy (for example, 
various nuclear structures, properly aligned with magnetic moments of their 
constituent particles in phase.

The key to the reaction is having enough electronic states in atoms to accept a 
large amount of energy donated by one or more nuclei during the resonant cycle.

Before the reaction the order of the system is relatively  high (low entropy) 
and after the reaction the order of the system  is reduced with a resulting 
increase of entropy.
Order in this example is directly related to the total energy of the system and 
its homogeneity in  terms of energy/unit volume.

The entropy increase is consistent with the 2nd Law of thermodynamics  for a 
reaction of an entangled (coherent) quantum system.

Knowing the stable or quasi stable spin energies of various particles in a 
coherent system, including their resonant parameters in an ambient magnetic 
field is the job of LENR engineers.

I think Jurg is working on such knowing for simple systems.  The Brookhaven 
Laboratory in New York keeps a data base for many nuclear species of the 
isomeric energy states and respective spin states.  I believe it is available 
to the public.  I will research this question and try to get a good link to the 
data base.

Bob Cook



From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:21 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?


On 15.06.2020 16:03, Chris Zell wrote:
> I suspect that the Papp engine involves a secret hiding in plain sight.

Papp in fact used a mixture of noble gases like Ag + Kr,Xe- Both are
very efficient in support of LENR reactions. You just need to add little
Deuterium, a rusty Fe2O3 side for the catalytic production of D*and a
mechanism (strong field) , to trigger the reaction.


Unluckily he was very selfish as most others are too in the LENR
business. He took everything with him and now power heaven... But I
think that a reproduction is just a matter of money.


J.W.



--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Chris—

I had some of your ideas also.  Helium gas as a working gas seems like a good 
idea.

My understanding about the cause of lightening is based on an accumulation of 
differential  charge (like between two plates of a capacitor) between separate 
clouds and/of the ground.   The charges come from initially neutral atoms that 
loose electrons by frictional action called static electricity.

In most thunder storms with lightening and clouds not too close to the ground, 
lightening occurs between clouds.  If the clouds with their static electrical 
charge centers get close to the ground, a discharge to ground becomes more 
frequent.

Bob Cook
_

From: Chris Zell
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:03 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

I suspect that the Papp engine involves a secret hiding in plain sight.

Inert gases have nothing to do with it. It’s the electrohydraulic effect using 
water vapor. Supposedly, there was a government test, previous to the tragic 
Feynmann incident, in which a gun barrel exploded like petals on a flower, 
cartoon-style.

I did a Quora question on lightning and couldn’t get a straight answer on how 
these discharges work, as the official narrative makes no sense at all.  
Charges in clouds shouldn’t accumulate because of electrostatic repulsion, no 
different from a stack precipitator.
One physicist did offer a reference from a Russian paper which claimed cosmic 
rays trigger lightning but that doesn’t cover the whole thing.

The secret to free energy could be right in front of us, every time it thunders.

From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 2:31 PM
To: vortex 
Subject: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

An interesting proposition for an advanced transportation fuel would be 
presented to us - IF (big if) hydrogen can be routinely converted into a denser 
form on a catalyst, and then expanded in a piston engine configuration. This 
concept would relate to using argon as a "pseudo oxidizer." Argon is not 
exactly "inert" to the same extent as helium and other Column eight atoms (Vlll 
on the periodic table).

AFAIK this exact concept, when transposed into a piston engine configuration, 
has never been explored... or has it? There is the Papp engine, which used 
argon and other inert gases but did not use hydrogen; and there is the Laumann 
engine which included oxygen with argon and no surface catalyst -- but neither 
of those is precisely the same.


sender.

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—
In your engine conceptual design what is the working gas that is heated and 
then does work in the decompression portion of the cycle?

Is it the Ar-H gas or a separate gas that is heated by the release of energy 
from the reactants in the “reaction chamber” (as the cylinder might be called) 
but not modified  by the release of energy .

For example,heliume might work well and be conserved without modification in a 
hermetically “reaction chamber that contained a “fuel” that would react with an 
appropriate EM trigger—“spark plug.”   Introduction of additional fuel stored 
within  the hermetically sealed  envelop could be accomplished after the 
original charge was sufficiently depleted—maybe a day, a week or longer, 
depending the dynamics of the system parameters that affect the reaction.

Bob Cook
.


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From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

In a closed-cycle piston engine, particularly a Stirling-type, the suggestion 
is that there could be an inherent thermodynamic advantage in having sequential 
reactions which are exothermic on formation and then endothermic milliseconds 
later, on the expansion stroke.

A resonance could then be engineered, especially if the decay was sharp and 
reliable and the engine ran at one speed only. However, this may not be what 
happens in practice with argon and hydrogen.

If the lifetime of argonium happened with endotherm precisely at BDC, then that 
could present a bonus cooling effect in addition to the change in displacement. 
This would arguably increase the Carnot spread between the hot end and cold end 
of the Stirling.

I have not been able to find evidence for this type of thermodynamic cycle in 
the literature.


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

ArH3+ is long time stable and Ar H3+ is the driving factor in Mills original 
SUNCELL reaction. In fact H3+ is the most abundant form of Hydrogen in deep 
space.

RE: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones---

“OBFUSCUTION” is the name of the game these days, I’m sorry to say.  The 
Nordskies are no exception.

Bob Cook




From: Jones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:14 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

Just to clarify - Norront is not exactly a hot fusion company. Their website 
gives that impression and it may be intentional.

In one version they have licensed the discovery of Holmlid of an efficient way 
to produce muons. They have other processes as well - which look more like cold 
fusion.

The "cheap muons" can be used in one of the oldest "proven" versions of hot 
fusion, which is muon catalyzed fusion. This version works on a small scale 
geometry and does not require the expense of plasma magnetic confinement 
although it could provide an enormous boost to say a Tokamak (or to ICF).

http://www.norrontfusion.com/

RE: [Vo]:A quantum entanglement record

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry—

Nice find!!

It seems to describe a recipe for cold fusion.  Too many more atoms would 
probably result in a big event that would wreck the experiment.

The dynamics of the event are fast—appear to be instanteous.

Note the importance of spin---angular momentum at 0.  A quotation from the 
link-

“In fact, the "hot and messy" environment inside the glass tube was key to the 
experiment's success. The atoms were in what physicists call a macroscopic spin 
singlet state, a collection of pairs of entangled particles' total spin sums to 
zero. The initially entangled atoms pass their entanglement to each other via 
collisions in a game of quantum tag, exchanging their spins but keeping the 
total spin at zero, and allowing the collective entanglement state to persist 
for at least a millisecond. For instance, particle A is entangled with particle 
B, but when particle B hits particle C, it links both particles with particle 
C, and so on.”

The group of atoms (not only nuclei) is able to exchange their nuclear spin 
energy with the atomic electron spin energy—conserving energy and angular 
momentum!

It could be called NUCLEAR—ATOMIC SPIN COUPLING.  The resonant ambient 
electro-magnetic field  is a key for initiation of the exchange of angular 
momentum and energy  IMHO.

Bob Cook
From: H LV
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:A quantum entanglement record


15 trillion atoms entangled for a millisecond at the temperature for baking 
cookies

https://www.livescience.com/physicists-entangle-15-trillion-hot-atoms.html



Harry

RE: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Is the  Fysics group you referenced the one that Allen Smith at LENR Forum 
organized?

Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 10:53 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

all the members of the "Fundamental Fysiks Group" [sic] reportedly merged into 
a single quantum entangled meme...


Terry Blanton wrote:

...and what ever happened to Jack Sarfatti?  :)

RE: [Vo]:Pinnacle of fake news

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones and Jurg—

My opinion somewhat mirrors your two’s.  However, mine is less charitable.

I consider the ITER AND OTHER SUCH BOONDOGGLES  are civil conspiracies to 
defraud the citizens of various countries.  The fraud  is being orchestrated by 
the international  nuclear power industry under the shield of international 
corporate protections in each country’s legal system.  The cost to citizens is 
immense.

Legislation is part of the civil conspiracy to tax and legalize the fraudulent 
actions on the populations of those countries.

On a brighter note there is a major movement in the US to eliminate “corporate 
personhood” (and the associated rights of biological persons outside the 
original intent of the US Constitution.)   BS produced by corporate entities 
could be disallowed, since there would be no right of free speech (nor other 
civil rights) for corporate entitles!!!
 This movement is a backlash to the US Supreme Court’s decision several years 
ago to allow corporations to  spend unlimited monies on political 
advertisements, since such spending was considered legal, because of corporate 
right to free speech.

Bob Cook
--
From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:56 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Pinnacle of fake news


The ITER project, in construction in France, should light up in fifteen years 
and generate energy from the nuclear fusion reactions that occur in the Sun and 
the stars. From a scientific and technological point of view, it will be one of 
mankind's major accomplishments.

The later sentence, in the introduction sentence of the above referenced 
article, is the only truth.

==>  ITER will be the biggest and most brainless waste of tax-payer money in 
mankind history!

ITER is entirely based on scientific lies as 2H+3H fusion never happens as a 
significant reaction in any known star. It was clear from the beginning (over 
40 years ago already written in scientific American!)  that no material can 
withstand the neutron flux produced by the strange reaction these folks do 
favorite.

Further: The new SO(4) physics model shows that 4-He fusion can be done based 
on protons only as the 4-He nucleus contains no neutron substructure! (See also 
Holmlid reaction! = experimental proof!)

Further: The latest simulations do show that ITER will never be able to sustain 
a plasma under fusion conditions due to turbulence produced by fusion excess 
energy... What a surprise that fusion produces excess energy...

The only way out of this mess is to immediate stop this insane and most 
brainless ever nonsense.

J.W.


On 30.05.2020 16:03, Jones Beene wrote:
So much BS from Newsweek - fortunately it is labeled as an 'opinion' piece

ITER has no chance becoming an energy breakthrough.

Hot fusion is still more than 20 years away

ITER fusion reactor breakthrough paves the way for an energy source that may 
alter the course of civilization | 
Opinion

ITER fusion reactor breakthrough paves the way for an energy source that...

The base of what will be the world's biggest reactor has been put in position.



--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22

8910 Affoltern am Albis



+41 44 760 14 18

+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed—

To answer your question to me: “Are you trying to pick a fight about an 
undergraduate paper in Sapporo?”  The answer is NO.  Its your translation of  
the paper that I question.  I only am asking about YOUR OWN 
translation/interpretation of the subject verification of Mizuno work.  I do 
not read Japanese.

I found your translation confusing, given the text that immediately followed 
the Figure 1 diagram.  Your use of the phrase “this new hydrogen energy from 
fusion” in this text translation was the confusing part of the translation.

I  read about  95 % of Vortex-l threads, and its not a matter of like or 
dislike.  The determination of my attention to any particular thread is based 
on the credibility of the source of the information being presented.

Bob Cook

--
From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 7:22 AM
To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

“Figure 1. Principle of nuclear fusion. (Deuterium and tritium are shown 
undergoing fusion to produce energy, neutrons and helium.)”

“In the present study, by using this new hydrogen energy from fusion, we hope 
to confirm a new power generation method that may replace conventional power 
generation methods, such as thermal power, hydropower, nuclear power, wind 
power, and solar power generation. The purpose is to obtain an input/output 
ratio of energy two times or more higher than input.”

Was the report merely obfuscation and fake news from your perspective, in that, 
as you point out, Mizuno does not use tritium?

I do not understand what you are talking about. Of course he does not use 
tritium. There is no mention of using tritium in this paper, or any of his 
other papers, or any papers in the cold fusion literature as far I recall. Many 
experiments produce tritium, but I have never heard of anyone starting with it.

Figure 1 shows conventional plasma fusion, as I am sure you realize.

I don't understand what you are saying, and I don't understand why you are 
saying it. Are you trying to pick a fight about an undergraduate paper in 
Sapporo? It seems pretty good to me. If you don't like it, don't read it.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed—

You noted originally in the subject Vortex thread:

“Here is a short paper describing a verification of Mizuno's experiment at the 
Hokkaido University of Science. This document includes an English version and 
the original Japanese version. “

The English translation indicates you did the translation of the so-called 
verification experiment.  The following explanations of the experiment are 
included:

“Figure 1. Principle of nuclear fusion. (Deuterium and tritium are shown 
undergoing fusion to produce energy, neutrons and helium.)”

“In the present study, by using this new hydrogen energy from fusion, we hope 
to confirm a new power generation method that may replace conventional power 
generation methods, such as thermal power, hydropower, nuclear power, wind 
power, and solar power generation. The purpose is to obtain an input/output 
ratio of energy two times or more higher than input.”

Was the report merely obfuscation and fake news from your perspective, in that, 
as you point out, Mizuno does not use tritium?

Bob Cook




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From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:31 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

The report of the Hokkaido experiment with deuterium and tritium in a nano 
nickel lattice is a first description of such a reactor to my knowledge.  
TRITIUM AS A FUEL IS NEW! To me.

The report makes note of the difficulty of getting deuterium—what about getting 
and managing tritium, which is radioactive and would explain the radioactivity 
the researchers noted at page 7 of the English translation?

I am very surprised that Mizuno uses tritium.

Bob Cook

From: Frank Grimer<mailto:88.fr...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

 I'm not surprised he is being successful. If I'd been him I would have let
the experiment (he describes in his book) that was running away continue
and blow up the lab.

It would have been confirmation of the P experiment where they blew
a hole in the lab bench. 

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 23:13, Jed Rothwell 
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here is a short paper describing a verification of Mizuno's experiment at the 
Hokkaido University of Science. This document includes an English version and 
the original Japanese version.

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IgarashiJdevelopmen.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The report of the Hokkaido experiment with deuterium and tritium in a nano 
nickel lattice is a first description of such a reactor to my knowledge.  
TRITIUM AS A FUEL IS NEW! To me.

The report makes note of the difficulty of getting deuterium—what about getting 
and managing tritium, which is radioactive and would explain the radioactivity 
the researchers noted at page 7 of the English translation?

I am very surprised that Mizuno uses tritium.

Bob Cook

From: Frank Grimer
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

 I'm not surprised he is being successful. If I'd been him I would have let
the experiment (he describes in his book) that was running away continue
and blow up the lab.

It would have been confirmation of the P experiment where they blew
a hole in the lab bench. 

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 23:13, Jed Rothwell 
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here is a short paper describing a verification of Mizuno's experiment at the 
Hokkaido University of Science. This document includes an English version and 
the original Japanese version.

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IgarashiJdevelopmen.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Electron Transition Atomic Mass Change Quantified

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It is also widely considered that angular momentum (AM) is also quantized 
during physical system total energy transitions.  Thus,  if a system is 
deconstructed  such as Andrew suggests happens when a system emits a photon, 
then (assuming conservation of angular momentum) the AM of each of the separate 
parts of the original physical system should add up to the  quantized AM of the 
original physical system.

To deduce knowledge of the photon’s AM, one must tightly control the direction 
of the emitted photon, assuming an uncertainty (HU) applies to the measurement 
of the photon’s AM with direction being a parameter of the pertinent 
uncertainty.

However, with good control of atomic and/or nuclear systems’ emitted photons, 
individual physical system AM status should be possible to determine to an 
accuracy of 1 quanta of AM.  An induced magnetic  “B” field on the original 
physical system may also change the emitted photon’s AM in discrete quanta of 
AM.  Resonant magnetic B fields, as are produced by NMR  machines, may allow  
manipulation of the AM of a system being studied.

Bob Cook



From: Andrew Meulenberg
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:42 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron Transition Atomic Mass Change Quantified

Terry,

Thank you for the link.

It is obvious that, if an excited atom emits a photon, it will become lighter. 
The ground state is lighter than an excited state. This new technique might 
somehow be able to distinguish the mass-loss to the nucleus alone rather than 
to the atom (ion) as a whole. Such an ability could provide strong evidence for 
cold fusion mechanisms via deep-orbit electrons.

Andrew



On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:33 PM Terry Blanton 
mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A new door to the quantum world has been opened: When an atom absorbs or 
releases energy via the quantum leap of an electron, it becomes heavier or 
lighter. This can be explained by Einstein's theory of relativity (E = mc2). 
However, the effect is minuscule for a single atom. Nevertheless, the team of 
Klaus Blaum and Sergey Eliseev at the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics 
has successfully measured this infinitesimal change in the mass of individual 
atoms for the first time. In order to achieve this, they used the ultra-precise 
Pentatrap atomic balance at the Institute in Heidelberg. The team discovered a 
previously unobserved quantum state in rhenium, which could be interesting for 
future atomic clocks. Above all, this extremely sensitive atomic balance 
enables a better understanding of the complex quantum world of heavy atoms.

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-successfully-infinitesimal-mass-individual-atoms.html

RE: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I had a friend who lived for 30 years with high voltage transmission lines  at 
the edge of his property in Spokane County.  He died about 6 or 7 years ago 
from two separate cancers.  His son who lived with him in his home  (30 years 
his junior) also died of cancer within a month of his father.  All the cancers 
were of different types.

My friend would comment how the lines would crackle in humid conditions.  I 
always assumed it was steam explosions of small water droplets.

Thus a strange noise associated with transmission lines may also deter the 
movement of large animals.

Bob Cook



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From: ChemE Stewart
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

Time elapse UV emissions from high voltage transmission lines.

https://www.ultravioletphotography.com/content/index.php/topic/763-power-lines-in-uv/

Broad spectrum UV light pollution is a common occurrence on exposed high 
voltage systems and unhealthy long term to biology at much of the UVA,UVB and 
UVC range

Fortunately it only occurs when air is damp, pollution builds up on 
lines/insulators, insulators/lines are cracked/damaged, or bird crap...which is 
much of the time

Scares the shit out of reindeer also and has led to Santa re-routing delivery 
routes.

https://slate.com/technology/2014/03/power-lines-and-animals-flashing-uv-light-scares-reindeer.html










On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 7:34 AM Jonathan Berry 
mailto:jonathanberry3...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Solution, 222nm UVC light to sterilize the air, surfaces, skin, masks, clothing 
in supermarkets, on the street, everywhere!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U4DAQ3kjRs

RE: [Vo]:Re: CONCEPTS OF TIME--IMPLICATIONS FOR SO(4) PHYSICS--

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry—

If SO(4) physics is valid, the gravitational attraction between the earth and 
the pendulum may be blocked by appropriate shields  and result in a different 
illusion of the passage of time relative to other measurements of arbitrary 
time increments—like the rotation of the earth due to its angular momentum 
being pretty constant or its orbit around the sun also being relatively 
constant.

This in fact may be a good “down-to-earth test to validate the SO(4) 
model—i.e., blocking the effect of the earth’s gravity.  The measurement of Cs 
atoms resonant vibrations should also change relative to the pendulum 
resonance, since blocking the earth’s magnetic field from the Cs would be 
avoided in the validation test.  (I think my assumption that Cs atoms should be 
immune to gravity field variations is a valid conclusion per current  
understanding of physics.)

If validity of SO(4) were not established, it would  also be  significant to 
understanding the nature of space and E-M fields.

Bob Cook


From: H LV
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:32 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CONCEPTS OF TIME--



On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 5:14 PM mailto:mix...@bigpond.com>> 
wrote:


Note that our perception of the flow of time and even our measurement of it is 
based on processes which may vary in
speed. IOW if the fabric of space time changes, e.g. in a gravitational field, 
then the processes upon which our clocks
are based may speed up or slow down, but this doesn't *necessarily* imply that 
time itself is flowing faster or slower.
It may be, but we have no object means of telling the difference. IOW our 
temporal "yardstick" may change in length in
some situations. A clock can run fast or slow without the actual passage of 
time changing.

I agree.  For example an increase in ambient temperature can change the period 
of pendulum clock by increasing the length the swing arm. However, we don't say 
time slows down just because it got warmer. In the 18th century pendulums were 
designed so as not to be affected
by temperature. Although we can't block the affects of gravity on a clock, we 
can make sure a clock at the surface of the Earth keeps the same time as a 
clock in deep space by systematically adding time to the measured time on Earth.

Harry

RE: [Vo]:affective vs. effective communication

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Terry—

Your last link was not correctly written—please send it through again.

.Bob Cook

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From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 2:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:affective vs. effective communication

The non-locality is a interesting problem.

I am not sure that space parameters do not exist that are like  magnetic 
permeability and electric permittivity, but apply to communication of 
information about the local energy (for example, rotating magnetic flux) and 
angular momentum at other  volumes of separated space.  And in addition other 
space parameters may act to limit the density of energy and angular momentum in 
nearby space volumes.

Maybe Jurg can comment on this conjecture.

Bob Cook

From: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 9:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:affective vs. effective communication

This illustrates the difference between affective and effective communication.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/affective-vs-effective/

It could also be used as a guide for understanding the difference between local 
and non-local communication.

The emotional state of the child affectively induces a change in the emotional 
of the adult. This may happen non-locally even before the image of the child 
reaches the adult's eyes.  The change in the emotional state of the adult is 
not certain but in this case the adult effectively responds kindly by giving 
the child the teddy. The transfer of the teddybear happens at less than the 
speed of light.

Harry