Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:52 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I only got smelly dust. No anomalous energy. You ingested titanium nanopowder? T
Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
I would not repeat that experiment. See 'Nanoparticles May Cause Kidney and Brain Damage' http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2011/09/20/nanoparticles-may-cause-kidney-and-brain-damage/ Titanium Dioxide Nanoparticles Can Cause Brain Damage in Fish Another common type of nanoparticle is titanium dioxide. Titanium dioxide is very commonly used as a pigment, and in its nanoparticle form it can be found it quite a few sunscreens and other applications. Unfortunately, this may pose some significant risks Remember - nowadays, the regulatory agencies are there to protect industry profits (and to provide stepping stones to more lucrative private careers) - not to protect consumers. fznidarsic on Mon, 28 May 2012 wrote: Several years ago I tried Titanium Oxide Nano powder. I got a free sample in a jar, I forget from where. I sent sparks through the powder it at near vacuum to a pressure of one atm. I only got smelly dust. No anomalous energy.
Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
No hydrogen. No tests. I am still alive no ill effect. Titanium oxide is the white in paint. It is used in sunscreen. It is catalyst used in power plants. Its in make up. The data sheet states its mild. No danger from small amounts. Even water will kill you in to large amounts, just ask anyone who was on a sinking ship. I was trying to make a ball of lightning in atmospheric conditions. No luck. It tended to agglomerate under the high temp of a spark in my pressure chamber. Nothing remarkable. Frank -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Did you utilize a high pressure hydrogen envelope? Did you test for transmutation? I doubt that an air envelope will give positive results in terms of anomalous energy production. But that is just a guess. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:52 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Several years ago I tried Titanium Oxide Nano powder. I got a free sample in a jar, I forget from where. I sent sparks through the powder it at near vacuum to a pressure of one atm. I only got smelly dust. No anomalous energy. Frank Z -Original Message- From: ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Jojo, It seems like one should do the trick--DGT seemed to be just jolting their experiment to get an increased output--perhaps just to disassociate the H2. But.. One big missing data point is from you: what have you tried, what has worked, and what hasn't. I think once we get a reproducible NiH LENR project that produces something real, fine tuning it with another spark plug, voltage, pressure, heating element, etc. would be much easier. But I think one spark plug should be effective.. as it sure looked like DGT was just sparking their reactor very briefly to get it to heat up. There is an interesting thread on dust fusion on Talk-Polywell: http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3531postdays=0postorder=ascstart=0 Seems to me an easy way to replicate the transmutation of elements using low power. It includes links to video, replication attempts, and some good discussion and speculation. My video of me nearly blowing up my microwave is posted there. - Brad On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: After reading the entire paper front to back, I am overwhelmed by the complexity of his experimental setup. Seems too complex and finnicky to be scalable for commericial applications. Although looking at his setup reminds me of DGT cylindrical reactor. Specifically, it reminds me of the 2 spark plugs on both ends. I have been pondering a lot on how DGT might be using the 2 spark plugs. It seems to me that 2 spark plug arranged in that fashion would be insufficient to ionize a substantial amount of carbon nanopowders (Assuming DGT uses nanocarbon like Egely.) I am also at a lost in understanding how it can help create some mixing. I wonder if DGT is using the spark plugs to cause oscillations within the chamber like I first originally speculated although it seems to me that the power levels imparted by the spark plugs would be too small for such a task, the reactor chamber being huge. In my spark reactor, my volumes are small and I take advantage of thermosiphon so I can concieve of a way to create turbulence with a single spark plug. What are your thought on my comments above? Am I correct in assuming that turbulence inside the reactor is important? It seems that Egely is going for oscillations rather than turbulence. How does one create carbon nanopowder plasma on such a large reactor chamber volume like DGT's reactor? It appears to me that 2 spark plugs are too small for the task. Any thoughts you may have is appreciated. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Nano dust fusion http://greentechinfo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/George_Egely_-_Nano_Dust_Fusion_v7.pdf Dr. George Egely has developed a form of LENR that is uncommon but may not be too far off the mark. His process is an unusual one. The essential ingredients are dusty plasma made from nano‐size carbon particles and air and some water vapor. In its simplest version the process works at atmospheric pressure, and at modest temperatures at 1000 – 3000 º C. I would like to offer some suggestions for improvement that are inspired by the work of Rossi, DGT, and Chan et al. First, lose those hollow quarts balls and the microwave in preference to a spark plug. The plug is more robust and reliable. It will pump many more electrons into the plasma due to its high operational voltage then will a microwave. Second, add zirconium carbide nano-powder to the dust
RE: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion, and making ball lightning...
RE: making ball lightning… The Corums did lots of work on this and I have a video that James Corum gave me which shows their efforts… There were three prerequisites to making ball lightning (plasma balls): - Hi-voltage potentials - Carbon particles (note that simply burning a candle or small piece of wood for several minutes is enough to load the air with carbon soot) - Can’t remember what the third one was! J R U gonna make me dig out the video and watch it??? Now, the Corum’s work may be somewhat different from lightning-storm generated ball lightning, the former being much higher frequencies compared to frequencies present in a lightning discharge. One interesting effect in the Corum’s video is where they put a piece of dirty glass in the electric discharge path, and what happens when a plasma ball approaches it (say from left to right) is that it never physically touches the glass, but it shrinks on the left side of the glass while at the same time appears as a small ball on the right side of the glass and then grows to the same size and continues on its path. -Mark From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion No hydrogen. No tests. I am still alive no ill effect. Titanium oxide is the white in paint. It is used in sunscreen. It is catalyst used in power plants. Its in make up. The data sheet states its mild. No danger from small amounts. Even water will kill you in to large amounts, just ask anyone who was on a sinking ship. I was trying to make a ball of lightning in atmospheric conditions. No luck. It tended to agglomerate under the high temp of a spark in my pressure chamber. Nothing remarkable. Frank
[Vo]:Nano dust fusion
Nano dust fusion http://greentechinfo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/George_Egely_-_Nano_Dust_Fusion_v7.pdf Dr. George Egely has developed a form of LENR that is uncommon but may not be too far off the mark. His process is an unusual one. The essential ingredients are dusty plasma made from nano‐size carbon particles and air and some water vapor. In its simplest version the process works at atmospheric pressure, and at modest temperatures at 1000 – 3000 º C. I would like to offer some suggestions for improvement that are inspired by the work of Rossi, DGT, and Chan et al. First, lose those hollow quarts balls and the microwave in preference to a spark plug. The plug is more robust and reliable. It will pump many more electrons into the plasma due to its high operational voltage then will a microwave. Second, add zirconium carbide nano-powder to the dust; the use of this metal will provide more charge concentration potential to the plasma. The use of zirconium carbide with a work function of 3.38 and a very high melting temperature of 3532 °C will thermalize the gamma radiation associated with the nuclear reactions of LENR by using a coherent proton surface charge. I love carbide of a transition metals because of their high melting temperature and their compatibity with carbon powder. Together with carbon, a very hot plasma temperature will increase operational reactor hydrogen envelope temperatures to the highest turbo generation efficiencies possible. Third, replace the air with a high pressure hydrogen envelope with the highest pressure possible. Some of my reactions to important parts of Dr. George Egely narrative: On page 6: *My theory of cold fusion centers on charge concentration as the primary mechanism for shilding the coulumb barrier.* *In support of this concept from Dr, Egely’s text as follows:* *Here the more or less familiar rules of quantum mechanics or Q.E.D. rule. In our opinion, strong interaction and “classical” fusion start to dominate the process above a certain power density in the middle layer. Sparking is visible on slow motion films. Obviously, the amplitude of oscillation also depends on the plasma radius, pressure, and temperature. At the center of the plasma, the amplitudes should be much higher than those at the outer wall of the acoustic resonator. (There can be the highest amplitude of a spherical standing wave). See Fig. 5 for the three layers.* *Near the center of the plasma sphere (middle layer), charge shielding can dominate nuclear processes due to the enormous surface charge density of the dust. Then repulsing charges of like protons can be overcome by the huge negative charge density of the carbon particles.* *On the slow motion video records, one can clearly see the appearance of sudden small sparks en mass. Then the Geiger counter starts to click, though at moderate levels. At present no one knows what goes on in the center of the acoustic resonator.* *In Fig. 6 these simultaneous mechanisms are shown as field amplification by resonant surface polaritons (Fig. 6/a), direct volumetric polarization by electron and ion impact (Fig. 6/b), and charge shielding (Fig. 6/c) is shown, where strong interaction rules (again at a different size level) at the characteristic size of a nucleon. Obviously these are all hypothetical mechanisms, as they cannot be observed directly.* On page 23 (b) *At higher input energy, the sparking region appears, along a mild degree of radiation – both x rays and particles. (There is a slight radioactivity in the exhausted dust and the quartz sphere after the power is switched off, for a couple of days).*
Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5911919.html For those interested in selecting a protonated nano powder for their the reactors, the reference patent for thermionic materials will offer engineering insights. I think that thorium is a good choice in adding to a proton rich nano-powder as a compliment to electron rich carbon nano powder. Very high reactor operating temperatures will be a future discriminator in the LENR market place due to the potential of grade high reactor heat for very high electrical generation efficiencies and the efficacy of very high process heat as a replacement for natural gas in many industrial processes. From the reference text as follows: *In the case of DC cathode applications (e.g., arc-lamps, arc welding), thoriated tungsten is used almost exclusively. The cathodes are made of tungsten doped with approximately 2 percent thorium dioxide (W:2%ThO2). Tungsten serves as the refractory metal-matrix which has a very high melting point, it is very electrically and thermally conductive, has reasonably good thermionic emission properties, yet has a work function of approximately 4.5 eV when pure. Thorium dioxide (thoria) is the most refractory oxide ceramic material known (highest melting point and lowest vapor-pressure), and when properly added in small amounts (typically 1 to 3%) to tungsten, thoria aids in controlling the tungsten microstructural characteristics by pinning grain boundaries, thereby inhibiting exaggerated or non-uniform grain growth. Further, these characteristics, along with other properties by the thoria, lower the work function of the metal-ceramic system to approximately 2.7-3.0 eV. The lower work function enables the W:2%ThO2 cathode to emit thermionic electrons at lower temperatures and with less localized heating at the tip; thus, the thoriated tungsten electrode maintains its integrity longer than pure tungsten would without the thoria additive.* ** ** On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Nano dust fusion http://greentechinfo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/George_Egely_-_Nano_Dust_Fusion_v7.pdf Dr. George Egely has developed a form of LENR that is uncommon but may not be too far off the mark. His process is an unusual one. The essential ingredients are dusty plasma made from nano‐size carbon particles and air and some water vapor. In its simplest version the process works at atmospheric pressure, and at modest temperatures at 1000 – 3000 º C. I would like to offer some suggestions for improvement that are inspired by the work of Rossi, DGT, and Chan et al. First, lose those hollow quarts balls and the microwave in preference to a spark plug. The plug is more robust and reliable. It will pump many more electrons into the plasma due to its high operational voltage then will a microwave. Second, add zirconium carbide nano-powder to the dust; the use of this metal will provide more charge concentration potential to the plasma. The use of zirconium carbide with a work function of 3.38 and a very high melting temperature of 3532 °C will thermalize the gamma radiation associated with the nuclear reactions of LENR by using a coherent proton surface charge. I love carbide of a transition metals because of their high melting temperature and their compatibity with carbon powder. Together with carbon, a very hot plasma temperature will increase operational reactor hydrogen envelope temperatures to the highest turbo generation efficiencies possible. Third, replace the air with a high pressure hydrogen envelope with the highest pressure possible. Some of my reactions to important parts of Dr. George Egely narrative: On page 6: *My theory of cold fusion centers on charge concentration as the primary mechanism for shilding the coulumb barrier.* *In support of this concept from Dr, Egely’s text as follows:* *Here the more or less familiar rules of quantum mechanics or Q.E.D. rule. In our opinion, strong interaction and “classical” fusion start to dominate the process above a certain power density in the middle layer. Sparking is visible on slow motion films. Obviously, the amplitude of oscillation also depends on the plasma radius, pressure, and temperature. At the center of the plasma, the amplitudes should be much higher than those at the outer wall of the acoustic resonator. (There can be the highest amplitude of a spherical standing wave). See Fig. 5 for the three layers.* *Near the center of the plasma sphere (middle layer), charge shielding can dominate nuclear processes due to the enormous surface charge density of the dust. Then repulsing charges of like protons can be overcome by the huge negative charge density of the carbon particles.* *On the slow motion video records, one can clearly see the appearance of sudden small sparks en mass. Then the Geiger counter starts to click, though at moderate levels. At present no one knows what goes on in the center of the
Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
Jojo, It seems like one should do the trick--DGT seemed to be just jolting their experiment to get an increased output--perhaps just to disassociate the H2. But.. One big missing data point is from you: what have you tried, what has worked, and what hasn't. I think once we get a reproducible NiH LENR project that produces something real, fine tuning it with another spark plug, voltage, pressure, heating element, etc. would be much easier. But I think one spark plug should be effective.. as it sure looked like DGT was just sparking their reactor very briefly to get it to heat up. There is an interesting thread on dust fusion on Talk-Polywell: http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3531postdays=0postorder=ascstart=0 Seems to me an easy way to replicate the transmutation of elements using low power. It includes links to video, replication attempts, and some good discussion and speculation. My video of me nearly blowing up my microwave is posted there. - Brad On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: After reading the entire paper front to back, I am overwhelmed by the complexity of his experimental setup. Seems too complex and finnicky to be scalable for commericial applications. Although looking at his setup reminds me of DGT cylindrical reactor. Specifically, it reminds me of the 2 spark plugs on both ends. I have been pondering a lot on how DGT might be using the 2 spark plugs. It seems to me that 2 spark plug arranged in that fashion would be insufficient to ionize a substantial amount of carbon nanopowders (Assuming DGT uses nanocarbon like Egely.) I am also at a lost in understanding how it can help create some mixing. I wonder if DGT is using the spark plugs to cause oscillations within the chamber like I first originally speculated although it seems to me that the power levels imparted by the spark plugs would be too small for such a task, the reactor chamber being huge. In my spark reactor, my volumes are small and I take advantage of thermosiphon so I can concieve of a way to create turbulence with a single spark plug. What are your thought on my comments above? Am I correct in assuming that turbulence inside the reactor is important? It seems that Egely is going for oscillations rather than turbulence. How does one create carbon nanopowder plasma on such a large reactor chamber volume like DGT's reactor? It appears to me that 2 spark plugs are too small for the task. Any thoughts you may have is appreciated. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Nano dust fusion http://greentechinfo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/George_Egely_-_Nano_Dust_Fusion_v7.pdf Dr. George Egely has developed a form of LENR that is uncommon but may not be too far off the mark. His process is an unusual one. The essential ingredients are dusty plasma made from nano‐size carbon particles and air and some water vapor. In its simplest version the process works at atmospheric pressure, and at modest temperatures at 1000 – 3000 º C. I would like to offer some suggestions for improvement that are inspired by the work of Rossi, DGT, and Chan et al. First, lose those hollow quarts balls and the microwave in preference to a spark plug. The plug is more robust and reliable. It will pump many more electrons into the plasma due to its high operational voltage then will a microwave. Second, add zirconium carbide nano-powder to the dust; the use of this metal will provide more charge concentration potential to the plasma. The use of zirconium carbide with a work function of 3.38 and a very high melting temperature of 3532 °C will thermalize the gamma radiation associated with the nuclear reactions of LENR by using a coherent proton surface charge. I love carbide of a transition metals because of their high melting temperature and their compatibity with carbon powder. Together with carbon, a very hot plasma temperature will increase operational reactor hydrogen envelope temperatures to the highest turbo generation efficiencies possible. Third, replace the air with a high pressure hydrogen envelope with the highest pressure possible. Some of my reactions to important parts of Dr. George Egely narrative: On page 6: My theory of cold fusion centers on charge concentration as the primary mechanism for shilding the coulumb barrier. In support of this concept from Dr, Egely’s text as follows: Here the more or less familiar rules of quantum mechanics or Q.E.D. rule. In our opinion, strong interaction and “classical” fusion start to dominate the process above a certain power density in the middle layer. Sparking is visible on slow motion films. Obviously, the amplitude of oscillation also depends on the plasma radius, pressure, and temperature. At the center of the plasma, the amplitudes should be much higher than
Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
Several years ago I tried Titanium Oxide Nano powder. I got a free sample in a jar, I forget from where. I sent sparks through the powder it at near vacuum to a pressure of one atm. I only got smelly dust. No anomalous energy. Frank Z -Original Message- From: ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Jojo, It seems like one should do the trick--DGT seemed to be just jolting their experiment to get an increased output--perhaps just to disassociate the H2. But.. One big missing data point is from you: what have you tried, what has worked, and what hasn't. I think once we get a reproducible NiH LENR project that produces something real, fine tuning it with another spark plug, voltage, pressure, heating element, etc. would be much easier. But I think one spark plug should be effective.. as it sure looked like DGT was just sparking their reactor very briefly to get it to heat up. There is an interesting thread on dust fusion on Talk-Polywell: http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3531postdays=0postorder=ascstart=0 Seems to me an easy way to replicate the transmutation of elements using low power. It includes links to video, replication attempts, and some good discussion and speculation. My video of me nearly blowing up my microwave is posted there. - Brad On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: After reading the entire paper front to back, I am overwhelmed by the complexity of his experimental setup. Seems too complex and finnicky to be scalable for commericial applications. Although looking at his setup reminds me of DGT cylindrical reactor. Specifically, it reminds me of the 2 spark plugs on both ends. I have been pondering a lot on how DGT might be using the 2 spark plugs. It seems to me that 2 spark plug arranged in that fashion would be insufficient to ionize a substantial amount of carbon nanopowders (Assuming DGT uses nanocarbon like Egely.) I am also at a lost in understanding how it can help create some mixing. I wonder if DGT is using the spark plugs to cause oscillations within the chamber like I first originally speculated although it seems to me that the power levels imparted by the spark plugs would be too small for such a task, the reactor chamber being huge. In my spark reactor, my volumes are small and I take advantage of thermosiphon so I can concieve of a way to create turbulence with a single spark plug. What are your thought on my comments above? Am I correct in assuming that turbulence inside the reactor is important? It seems that Egely is going for oscillations rather than turbulence. How does one create carbon nanopowder plasma on such a large reactor chamber volume like DGT's reactor? It appears to me that 2 spark plugs are too small for the task. Any thoughts you may have is appreciated. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Nano dust fusion http://greentechinfo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/George_Egely_-_Nano_Dust_Fusion_v7.pdf Dr. George Egely has developed a form of LENR that is uncommon but may not be too far off the mark. His process is an unusual one. The essential ingredients are dusty plasma made from nano‐size carbon particles and air and some water vapor. In its simplest version the process works at atmospheric pressure, and at modest temperatures at 1000 – 3000 º C. I would like to offer some suggestions for improvement that are inspired by the work of Rossi, DGT, and Chan et al. First, lose those hollow quarts balls and the microwave in preference to a spark plug. The plug is more robust and reliable. It will pump many more electrons into the plasma due to its high operational voltage then will a microwave. Second, add zirconium carbide nano-powder to the dust; the use of this metal will provide more charge concentration potential to the plasma. The use of zirconium carbide with a work function of 3.38 and a very high melting temperature of 3532 °C will thermalize the gamma radiation associated with the nuclear reactions of LENR by using a coherent proton surface charge. I love carbide of a transition metals because of their high melting temperature and their compatibity with carbon powder. Together with carbon, a very hot plasma temperature will increase operational reactor hydrogen envelope temperatures to the highest turbo generation efficiencies possible. Third, replace the air with a high pressure hydrogen envelope with the highest pressure possible. Some of my reactions to important parts of Dr. George Egely narrative: On page 6: My theory of cold fusion centers on charge concentration as the primary mechanism for shilding the coulumb barrier. In support of this concept from Dr, Egely’s
Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
Did you utilize a high pressure hydrogen envelope? Did you test for transmutation? I doubt that an air envelope will give positive results in terms of anomalous energy production. But that is just a guess. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:52 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Several years ago I tried Titanium Oxide Nano powder. I got a free sample in a jar, I forget from where. I sent sparks through the powder it at near vacuum to a pressure of one atm. I only got smelly dust. No anomalous energy. Frank Z -Original Message- From: ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Jojo, It seems like one should do the trick--DGT seemed to be just jolting their experiment to get an increased output--perhaps just to disassociate the H2. But.. One big missing data point is from you: what have you tried, what has worked, and what hasn't. I think once we get a reproducible NiH LENR project that produces something real, fine tuning it with another spark plug, voltage, pressure, heating element, etc. would be much easier. But I think one spark plug should be effective.. as it sure looked like DGT was just sparking their reactor very briefly to get it to heat up. There is an interesting thread on dust fusion on Talk-Polywell: http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3531postdays=0postorder=ascstart=0 Seems to me an easy way to replicate the transmutation of elements using low power. It includes links to video, replication attempts, and some good discussion and speculation. My video of me nearly blowing up my microwave is posted there. - Brad On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: After reading the entire paper front to back, I am overwhelmed by the complexity of his experimental setup. Seems too complex and finnicky to be scalable for commericial applications. Although looking at his setup reminds me of DGT cylindrical reactor. Specifically, it reminds me of the 2 spark plugs on both ends. I have been pondering a lot on how DGT might be using the 2 spark plugs. It seems to me that 2 spark plug arranged in that fashion would be insufficient to ionize a substantial amount of carbon nanopowders (Assuming DGT uses nanocarbon like Egely.) I am also at a lost in understanding how it can help create some mixing. I wonder if DGT is using the spark plugs to cause oscillations within the chamber like I first originally speculated although it seems to me that the power levels imparted by the spark plugs would be too small for such a task, the reactor chamber being huge. In my spark reactor, my volumes are small and I take advantage of thermosiphon so I can concieve of a way to create turbulence with a single spark plug. What are your thought on my comments above? Am I correct in assuming that turbulence inside the reactor is important? It seems that Egely is going for oscillations rather than turbulence. How does one create carbon nanopowder plasma on such a large reactor chamber volume like DGT's reactor? It appears to me that 2 spark plugs are too small for the task. Any thoughts you may have is appreciated. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Nano dust fusion http://greentechinfo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/George_Egely_-_Nano_Dust_Fusion_v7.pdf Dr. George Egely has developed a form of LENR that is uncommon but may not be too far off the mark. His process is an unusual one. The essential ingredients are dusty plasma made from nano‐size carbon particles and air and some water vapor. In its simplest version the process works at atmospheric pressure, and at modest temperatures at 1000 – 3000 º C. I would like to offer some suggestions for improvement that are inspired by the work of Rossi, DGT, and Chan et al. First, lose those hollow quarts balls and the microwave in preference to a spark plug. The plug is more robust and reliable. It will pump many more electrons into the plasma due to its high operational voltage then will a microwave. Second, add zirconium carbide nano-powder to the dust; the use of this metal will provide more charge concentration potential to the plasma. The use of zirconium carbide with a work function of 3.38 and a very high melting temperature of 3532 °C will thermalize the gamma radiation associated with the nuclear reactions of LENR by using a coherent proton surface charge. I love carbide of a transition metals because of their high melting temperature and their compatibity with carbon powder. Together with carbon, a very hot plasma temperature will increase operational reactor hydrogen envelope temperatures to the highest turbo generation efficiencies possible
Re: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion
After reading the entire paper front to back, I am overwhelmed by the complexity of his experimental setup. Seems too complex and finnicky to be scalable for commericial applications. Although looking at his setup reminds me of DGT cylindrical reactor. Specifically, it reminds me of the 2 spark plugs on both ends. I have been pondering a lot on how DGT might be using the 2 spark plugs. It seems to me that 2 spark plug arranged in that fashion would be insufficient to ionize a substantial amount of carbon nanopowders (Assuming DGT uses nanocarbon like Egely.) I am also at a lost in understanding how it can help create some mixing. I wonder if DGT is using the spark plugs to cause oscillations within the chamber like I first originally speculated although it seems to me that the power levels imparted by the spark plugs would be too small for such a task, the reactor chamber being huge. In my spark reactor, my volumes are small and I take advantage of thermosiphon so I can concieve of a way to create turbulence with a single spark plug. What are your thought on my comments above? Am I correct in assuming that turbulence inside the reactor is important? It seems that Egely is going for oscillations rather than turbulence. How does one create carbon nanopowder plasma on such a large reactor chamber volume like DGT's reactor? It appears to me that 2 spark plugs are too small for the task. Any thoughts you may have is appreciated. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [Vo]:Nano dust fusion Nano dust fusion http://greentechinfo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/George_Egely_-_Nano_Dust_Fusion_v7.pdf Dr. George Egely has developed a form of LENR that is uncommon but may not be too far off the mark. His process is an unusual one. The essential ingredients are dusty plasma made from nano‐size carbon particles and air and some water vapor. In its simplest version the process works at atmospheric pressure, and at modest temperatures at 1000 – 3000 º C. I would like to offer some suggestions for improvement that are inspired by the work of Rossi, DGT, and Chan et al. First, lose those hollow quarts balls and the microwave in preference to a spark plug. The plug is more robust and reliable. It will pump many more electrons into the plasma due to its high operational voltage then will a microwave. Second, add zirconium carbide nano-powder to the dust; the use of this metal will provide more charge concentration potential to the plasma. The use of zirconium carbide with a work function of 3.38 and a very high melting temperature of 3532 °C will thermalize the gamma radiation associated with the nuclear reactions of LENR by using a coherent proton surface charge. I love carbide of a transition metals because of their high melting temperature and their compatibity with carbon powder. Together with carbon, a very hot plasma temperature will increase operational reactor hydrogen envelope temperatures to the highest turbo generation efficiencies possible. Third, replace the air with a high pressure hydrogen envelope with the highest pressure possible. Some of my reactions to important parts of Dr. George Egely narrative: On page 6: My theory of cold fusion centers on charge concentration as the primary mechanism for shilding the coulumb barrier. In support of this concept from Dr, Egely’s text as follows: Here the more or less familiar rules of quantum mechanics or Q.E.D. rule. In our opinion, strong interaction and “classical” fusion start to dominate the process above a certain power density in the middle layer. Sparking is visible on slow motion films. Obviously, the amplitude of oscillation also depends on the plasma radius, pressure, and temperature. At the center of the plasma, the amplitudes should be much higher than those at the outer wall of the acoustic resonator. (There can be the highest amplitude of a spherical standing wave). See Fig. 5 for the three layers. Near the center of the plasma sphere (middle layer), charge shielding can dominate nuclear processes due to the enormous surface charge density of the dust. Then repulsing charges of like protons can be overcome by the huge negative charge density of the carbon particles. On the slow motion video records, one can clearly see the appearance of sudden small sparks en mass. Then the Geiger counter starts to click, though at moderate levels. At present no one knows what goes on in the center of the acoustic resonator. In Fig. 6 these simultaneous mechanisms are shown as field amplification by resonant surface polaritons (Fig. 6/a), direct volumetric polarization by electron and ion impact (Fig. 6/b), and charge shielding (Fig. 6/c) is shown, where strong interaction rules (again at a different size level) at the characteristic size of a nucleon. Obviously
