On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 02/15/2011 02:22 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
Another interesting quote: Please, what do you mean, in this case
when you say “power density”? If you mean which volume is necessary
per kW of power, I can say about 5 liters per kW,
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you
know who witnessed it?
The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the
internal temperature of the machine is reportedly well above 100 deg C.
That stands to reason. Even with
180-220 deg C steam will be perfectly OK- at high pressure 10-16 bar.
Overheated steam is not economical.
Peter
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you
know
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you
know who witnessed it?
The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know.
Unless there is significant water
On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you
know who witnessed it?
The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the
internal temperature of the machine is reportedly
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
How sure are you it is finely divided nickel? Didn't Rossi say the
material only had a gram of Ni?
The patent says nickel powder. I think Rossi said there are two mystery
elements added to Ni, presumably in small amounts. Brian Ahern and I
On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you
know who witnessed it?
The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the
internal temperature of the machine is reportedly
On 02/15/2011 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you
know who witnessed it?
The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the
internal temperature of the machine is reportedly well
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know.
Unless there is significant water content in the expelled steam, the
pressure doesn't matter, or have you forgotten your grade 11 phase diagram
again?
In real life, I have never heard of a steam
On 02/15/2011 02:22 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
Another interesting quote: Please, what do you mean, in this case
when you say “power density”? If you mean which volume is necessary
per kW of power, I can say about 5 liters per kW, just for the thermal
power.
Eh??
For 12 kW that would be 60
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
OK, well and good. But you named a specific figure, saying it can
easily go above 400 deg C. I wondered if that was based on speculation
and Rossi's imprecise assertions about the internal temperature of the
device, or it if was based on something
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:59 -0900:
Hi,
[snip]
Rossi said there were several grams of Ni.
In the cell there are several grams of Ni
With 1 gram of Ni the average real production of energy is around
100 kWh
In the FWIW department
In the cell there are several grams of Ni
With 1 gram of Ni the average real production of energy is around
100 kWh
Ok if the value of that energy is about $5.00 to the power plant operator
(the grid operator gets the rest) and the value of nickel is $ 13 pound
today,
On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 02/15/2011 02:22 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
Another interesting quote: Please, what do you mean, in this case
when you say “power density”? If you mean which volume is necessary
per kW of power, I can say about 5 liters per kW,
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:07 Jed Rothwell wrote [snip] I think Rossi said there
are two mystery elements added to Ni, presumably in small amounts. Brian Ahern
and I suspect one of them is Pd. [/snip]
Pd nano powder does sound like a good candidate. Grain size may be important
to backfill the
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
...if true then putting Rossi devices in series to achieve superheated steam
isn't going to work.
Robin,
That is sadly the case, and the conversion to electricity is therefore
doomed to be at low efficiency. How low? is the question.
I hope
On 02/14/2011 04:29 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
BTW there was a recent report (yet to be verified) that Rossi had admitted
that the initial design goal is for average COP ~8, P-in (elec) to P-out
(therm) or far less than the original of 20 or more.
Now why would he want to do that?
If he's
The reason given was risk of thermal runaway.
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
BTW there was a recent report (yet to be verified) that Rossi had admitted
that the initial design goal is for average COP ~8, P-in (elec) to P-out
(therm) or far less than the original of 20
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The reason given was risk of thermal runaway.
If thermal runaway is only a startup issue, cascaded cells might not
be an issue.
T
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The reason given was risk of thermal runaway.
If thermal runaway is only a startup issue, cascaded cells might not
be an issue.
T
The Rossi reactor was running at 40:1 output the day before the Jan. 14
demo. As often happens with demos, it failed to work as well that day. It
did not work at all for a while and the audience was getting rowdy.
It can easily go above 400 deg C. Carnot efficiency will not be an issue.
The 1 MW
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I have no idea who needs
that much hot water.
My wife's garden tub.
T
Considering a Rinnai R94LSi NG. Anyone have one? Should I wait on a
Rossi Ecat?
Well, it is true that if the only thing needed for the reaction to proceed
is to maintain a narrow range of temperatures, say it is between 390C and
400C, which probably aligns with a phase-change in the active material --
then not only can superheated steam provide some cooling but more
on Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:36 Jones Beene wrote
[snip] Well, it is true that if the only thing needed for the reaction to
proceed
is to maintain a narrow range of temperatures, say it is between 390C and
400C, which probably aligns with a phase-change in the active material --
then not only
On 02/14/2011 07:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The Rossi reactor was running at 40:1 output the day before the Jan.
14 demo. As often happens with demos, it failed to work as well that
day. It did not work at all for a while and the audience was getting
rowdy.
It can easily go above 400 deg
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