Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 08:57 PM 11/20/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Absolutely! Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to form a Neutron and a Neutrino). has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion.

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Are you saying that WL -- http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cond-mat/pdf/0505/0505026v1.pdf Introduction, First Column, up to Eqn (3) -- and Reference 1 -- are wrong? (I don't have access to Ref 1 or a similar well known

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread Alan J Fletcher
(I decided to bypass the Joshua Cude discussion, to get back to the patent itself) The text of the application is at

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread pagnucco
Joshua, If this is a real phenomenon, might it not involve complex many-body effects that first-order approximations can't capture? Also, since this is a NASA patent, doesn't it have to go through a fairly rigorous review process? and have some empirical data backing it? On Sun, Nov 20, 2011

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:18 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Joshua, If this is a real phenomenon, might it not involve complex many-body effects that first-order approximations can't capture? Sure, but saying it's complex does not make it plausible. WL don't actually predict any

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread pagnucco
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:18 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Joshua, If this is a real phenomenon, might it not involve complex many-body effects that first-order approximations can't capture? [...] If there are some empirical data obtained by NASA on lenr or the WL theory, I would

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread Joshua Cude
In this and previous posts I said a few times that the energy needed for electron capture by a proton is 780 MeV. That would be something, but it's actually 780 keV, which is still a lot, and is about 10 times bigger than what's needed for d-d fusion (less than 100 keV). I hope anyone who actually

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
I did recognize, but even so, I am not sure what you mean by energy needed for capture. For example, in large nuclei, the required energy is 0, since k-capture doesn't need to be induced or stimulated. 2011/11/21 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com In this and previous posts I said a few times

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
I sed: IMO, if Rossi feels he has successfully pocketed a few select corporations who believe in his technology he would give a fart about trying to appease the scientific establishment. Jed sed: He never did a fart about that. If he has customers, all the more reason to ignore

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Argh! I meant: wouldn't have given a fart! about what the scientific establishment thought of him. Wouldn't!!! We get it. Everyone knows Rossi has contempt for scientists. I think he exaggerates his contempt. I have a feeling he

[Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-20 Thread pagnucco
I do not think this patent application has been posted to Vortex yet: URL: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PG01p=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmlr=1f=Gl=50s1=%2220110255645%22.PGNR.OS=DN/20110255645RS=DN/20110255645 United States Patent Application

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-20 Thread Alan Fletcher
Absolutely! Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to form a Neutron and a Neutrino). has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion. The muon:proton has enough mass, and is known to happen. But electron:proton doesn't --WL proposes one method of getting

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

2011-11-20 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Absolutely! Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to form a Neutron and a Neutrino). has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion. Actually, it's about 10 times higher. And it's an