Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-20 Thread David ledin
In fhen formula when he says same careful techniques he means you
must load NI+Fe+Mg
with hydrogen again this cause Mg became MgH2, so you don't need
external hydrogen for reaction  and Fe in reaction cause H2 break
apart into H1, paving the way for reaction.

If you read chan formula you can understand fhen formula better .

http://www.buildecat.com/blog_posts/

On 12/20/11, Peter Brosnan ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Brad Thanks mate . Eveyrbody seems to want to live forever .or die of
 boredom , each to his own Favorite movie Shawshank RedemptionGet
 busy living or get busy dieing I Plan on living to at least 100 (I want
 my letter from the Queen)
 It will take at least a month to get this ready
 Rossi saying.  600 c optimum  @   360  psi Defkalion  is   400 c
@400 to 500 psi Pressure release valve fixed at 2000 psi
 Im no genius, but  there are several critical safety procedures to follow
 and I will be following each one to the letter .
  Phen stated the 500 c was only at stage 1Which was nickel and carbon ONLY
 (No Hhydrogen) get rid of all oxygen and oxides
 The 2000 psi was at 200 c
 The psi will jump to about 3500 psi  , when 200c is applied ( I wont be
 going any  where near that unless the engineer and machinist say OK) and
 thne it will be in a 12 mm   steel caseing . The PRV will blow first
 straight into a steel pipe , heading 4 m ,  straight up
 The lead will shield me from the gamma The gamma is what Im hoping to detect
 , T think the technology hinges on that . Im 90 % sure this is not a hoax .
 And if it is I will go back to my other 2 projects
 Im really interested in your thoughts on the RFG , caviation ,ultrasonic .
 Ive heard of 360 Mkhz talked about and 89 Mkhz . A friend said I should
 introduce a form of microwave . Ive got no idea at this stage Do you ?
 Pete(The mad Aussie backyarder)
 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:42:42 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
 From: ecatbuil...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

 Hi Peter,
 That's a lot of pressure and temperatures to work with... Remember the
 pressure will increase significantly when heated. Every part of your
 container needs to be rated for whatever the final temp/pressure
 combination is, including tubing, valves, sealant, etc. I'd like to
 know how you plan to safely bring hydrogen at 2000psi to 500C and then
 back down to a vacuum (of indeterminate pressure) inside a glovebox.

 But, yes, you can order a tank with a hydrogen regulator (300 psi) and
 have the bottle filled to 2000psi and go direct from the bottle to
 your device. (Of course, your welding shop can give you advice on
 this... which will be don't do it--you'll kill yourself.)

 - Brad





Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-20 Thread Robert Lynn
Things to consider:
1/ Probably want to make sure that the hydrogen you are being supplied
is a reasonably high purity 'technical' grade.
2/ Most researchers use multi-stage vacuum pumps to achieve high
vacuum, you probably want to buy a 2-stage vacuum pump such as used by
HVAC technicians (you need high vacuum to evaporate and remove some of
the contaminants you are trying to remove).
3/ Keep all of your valves, connectors, joints, seals, and
feed-throughs away from hot areas in the test vessel.
4/ Do some reading on handling hydrogen.  Hot pressurised hydrogen is
dangerous - exceptionally flammable and explosive.  Best to do
experimenting in covered outdoors area where hydrogen can't
accumulate, and use small tubes that don't permit too much flow.  Keep
hydrogen tank under cover and outside.
5/ Calorimetry is hard.  It takes a lot of detailed effort to get good
results when you are looking for small gains - and you won't be able
to tell if anything is happening without it.  You need a data
acquisition system with at least 3 thermocouples for this work.


On 20 December 2011 06:53, Peter Brosnan ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Ron and Hoyt . I appreciate your help and Yes after phone calls ,
 Hydrogen tank $90  at 2000 psi

 Have to rent the tank and ordering Regulator as we speak

 Can buy a Vacum pump 1.5 cfm $90  or

                                    6.0 cfm $150

 Anybody understand if the 1.5 would be enough ?

 Intend to follow Phens  formula first

 Anybody here experimented with what he stated ?



 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:18:38 -0700
 From: prot...@frii.com

 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

 I think you can buy it in a pressurized tank with a regulator from gas
 suppliers.


 On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:53 AM +1000 Peter Brosnan
 ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 
  Hi Guys , Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined
  up . I got interested in
  Phen as well
 
  Phen talks about The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi
  and heated to 200 C 
 
 
  I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the
  rest is coming .
 
 
  The Hurdle is how do I pressureize my H2 at 2000 psi . Most of the Gas
  compressor I've seen
  are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood )
 
 
  One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi
 
 
  Any ideas guys
 
 
  Thanks Pete
 
 
 
 
  __
  Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo
  tests described by McKubre
  From: besantos1...@gmail.com
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 
  Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)
 
 
  Just kidding. :-)
 
 
  No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to
  be a lot of evidences
  pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
  gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Jed,
  I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.
 
 
 
  Sorry, not Italian.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 






RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-20 Thread Peter B

Thanks Robert   I appreciate your advice Are you building ?

 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:23:20 +
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
 From: robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 
 Things to consider:
 1/ Probably want to make sure that the hydrogen you are being supplied
 is a reasonably high purity 'technical' grade.
 2/ Most researchers use multi-stage vacuum pumps to achieve high
 vacuum, you probably want to buy a 2-stage vacuum pump such as used by
 HVAC technicians (you need high vacuum to evaporate and remove some of
 the contaminants you are trying to remove).
 3/ Keep all of your valves, connectors, joints, seals, and
 feed-throughs away from hot areas in the test vessel.
 4/ Do some reading on handling hydrogen.  Hot pressurised hydrogen is
 dangerous - exceptionally flammable and explosive.  Best to do
 experimenting in covered outdoors area where hydrogen can't
 accumulate, and use small tubes that don't permit too much flow.  Keep
 hydrogen tank under cover and outside.
 5/ Calorimetry is hard.  It takes a lot of detailed effort to get good
 results when you are looking for small gains - and you won't be able
 to tell if anything is happening without it.  You need a data
 acquisition system with at least 3 thermocouples for this work.
 
 
 On 20 December 2011 06:53, Peter Brosnan ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Thanks Ron and Hoyt . I appreciate your help and Yes after phone calls ,
  Hydrogen tank $90  at 2000 psi
 
  Have to rent the tank and ordering Regulator as we speak
 
  Can buy a Vacum pump 1.5 cfm $90  or
 
 6.0 cfm $150
 
  Anybody understand if the 1.5 would be enough ?
 
  Intend to follow Phens  formula first
 
  Anybody here experimented with what he stated ?
 
 
 
  Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:18:38 -0700
  From: prot...@frii.com
 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
 
  I think you can buy it in a pressurized tank with a regulator from gas
  suppliers.
 
 
  On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:53 AM +1000 Peter Brosnan
  ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  
  
   Hi Guys , Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined
   up . I got interested in
   Phen as well
  
   Phen talks about The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi
   and heated to 200 C 
  
  
   I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the
   rest is coming .
  
  
   The Hurdle is how do I pressureize my H2 at 2000 psi . Most of the Gas
   compressor I've seen
   are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood )
  
  
   One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi
  
  
   Any ideas guys
  
  
   Thanks Pete
  
  
  
  
   __
   Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
   Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo
   tests described by McKubre
   From: besantos1...@gmail.com
   To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  
   Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)
  
  
   Just kidding. :-)
  
  
   No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to
   be a lot of evidences
   pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.
  
  
  
  
  
  
   2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
  
  
  
  
  
   On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
   gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Jed,
   I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.
  
  
  
   Sorry, not Italian.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
  

Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-20 Thread Robert Lynn
No, don't have access to a workshop at the moment (I'm on wrong side of the
planet).  Besides which I get the feeling that it is very very difficult to
do material processing and calorimetry to the standards required to
actually learn anything without access to a good materials lab and a
well equipped calorimetry station.

I do have recent experience of small scale high pressure hot hydrogen
systems (200bar 800°C Stirling engines) which is why I am so wary.  The
test fixtures and instrumentation were expensive and needed a lot of
attention to detail, it is a tricky field for casual amateurs to work in
and does not reward risk takers or improvised fixes.

On 20 December 2011 20:01, Peter B ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Thanks Robert   I appreciate your advice
 Are you building ?

  Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:23:20 +
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
  From: robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

 
  Things to consider:
  1/ Probably want to make sure that the hydrogen you are being supplied
  is a reasonably high purity 'technical' grade.
  2/ Most researchers use multi-stage vacuum pumps to achieve high
  vacuum, you probably want to buy a 2-stage vacuum pump such as used by
  HVAC technicians (you need high vacuum to evaporate and remove some of
  the contaminants you are trying to remove).
  3/ Keep all of your valves, connectors, joints, seals, and
  feed-throughs away from hot areas in the test vessel.
  4/ Do some reading on handling hydrogen. Hot pressurised hydrogen is
  dangerous - exceptionally flammable and explosive. Best to do
  experimenting in covered outdoors area where hydrogen can't
  accumulate, and use small tubes that don't permit too much flow. Keep
  hydrogen tank under cover and outside.
  5/ Calorimetry is hard. It takes a lot of detailed effort to get good
  results when you are looking for small gains - and you won't be able
  to tell if anything is happening without it. You need a data
  acquisition system with at least 3 thermocouples for this work.
 
 
  On 20 December 2011 06:53, Peter Brosnan ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:
   Thanks Ron and Hoyt . I appreciate your help and Yes after phone calls
 ,
   Hydrogen tank $90  at 2000 psi
  
   Have to rent the tank and ordering Regulator as we speak
  
   Can buy a Vacum pump 1.5 cfm $90  or
  
  6.0 cfm $150
  
   Anybody understand if the 1.5 would be enough ?
  
   Intend to follow Phens  formula first
  
   Anybody here experimented with what he stated ?
  
  
  
   Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:18:38 -0700
   From: prot...@frii.com
  
   To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
   Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
  
   I think you can buy it in a pressurized tank with a regulator from gas
   suppliers.
  
  
   On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:53 AM +1000 Peter Brosnan
   ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
   
   
Hi Guys , Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and
 joined
up . I got interested in
Phen as well
   
Phen talks about The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000
 psi
and heated to 200 C 
   
   
I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already
 , the
rest is coming .
   
   
The Hurdle is how do I pressureize my H2 at 2000 psi . Most of the
 Gas
compressor I've seen
are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood )
   
   
One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi
   
   
Any ideas guys
   
   
Thanks Pete
   
   
   
   
__
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the
 Ampernergo
tests described by McKubre
From: besantos1...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
   
Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)
   
   
Just kidding. :-)
   
   
No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it
 seems to
be a lot of evidences
pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.
   
   
   
   
   
   
2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
   
   
   
   
   
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Jed,
I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.
   
   
   
Sorry, not Italian.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
  
 



[Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread David ledin
Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

The Ni powder, most pure and finest grade, is handled in dry box under
inert atmosphere. It is mixed with 5 % by weight carbon powder,
subjected to 500 C and degassed with a vacuum pump to prepare the
surface and clean out any oxygen/oxides clinging to it. The surface is
cooled. The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi and
heated to 200 C after the gas line is closed. When the pressure
reaches stability the chamber is cooled. This process is repeated five
times to fully load the Ni. This reactive powder is mixed with 10% by
weight ferro magnetic Fe powder and an equal weight of magnesium
powder using the same careful techniques given above. 2 grams of this
mix is placed in an 8 inch lenth of 1/4  h Cu tube welded shut at one
end. The open end is fitted with a hydrogen uptake valve. A second 3/4
 gcopper tube is capped at one end and filled with mineral oil after
inserting the reaction chamber. The tube is placed in the center of a
1000   coil of magnetic copper wire such as Belden Part No. 8054 which
is connected to a source of alternating voltage adjustable from 25
cycles per second to 100 MHz. Using a thermocouple immersed in the
oil, connected to an old computer, the RFG is adjusted to supply
inductive energy to the Fe powder within the inner chamber raising the
temperature to 250 C. The fusion is adjusted to self sustain and
allowed to maintain the process for one year.



Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
25 Hz to 100 MHz is a VERY wide range. Finding the right one would be 
like looking for a needle in a hay stack. How bout a few clues as to the 
actual frequency and the power level required? Most F Gens do not output 
much power.


AG


On 12/20/2011 5:52 AM, David ledin wrote:

Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

The Ni powder, most pure and finest grade, is handled in dry box under
inert atmosphere. It is mixed with 5 % by weight carbon powder,
subjected to 500 C and degassed with a vacuum pump to prepare the
surface and clean out any oxygen/oxides clinging to it. The surface is
cooled. The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi and
heated to 200 C after the gas line is closed. When the pressure
reaches stability the chamber is cooled. This process is repeated five
times to fully load the Ni. This reactive powder is mixed with 10% by
weight ferro magnetic Fe powder and an equal weight of magnesium
powder using the same careful techniques given above. 2 grams of this
mix is placed in an 8 inch lenth of 1/4  h Cu tube welded shut at one
end. The open end is fitted with a hydrogen uptake valve. A second 3/4
  gcopper tube is capped at one end and filled with mineral oil after
inserting the reaction chamber. The tube is placed in the center of a
1000   coil of magnetic copper wire such as Belden Part No. 8054 which
is connected to a source of alternating voltage adjustable from 25
cycles per second to 100 MHz. Using a thermocouple immersed in the
oil, connected to an old computer, the RFG is adjusted to supply
inductive energy to the Fe powder within the inner chamber raising the
temperature to 250 C. The fusion is adjusted to self sustain and
allowed to maintain the process for one year.






Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread ecat builder
Hey Aussie,

It seems like Chan is doing all his heating by RF coil.
A slow tuning of the dial may be all it takes to find a harmonic that works.
I take it you've tried the 81.9Mhz figure from Storms? Maybe ask how
he came up with that number?
I have some new copper pipe, a freq gen, and some new powders coming
in.. will keep you posted.

- Brad



Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
81.9 MHz is the NMR frequency for Deuterium. READ THIS: 
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJtriggering.pdf The RFG and wide 
band RF amp model used are quoted.


AG


On 12/20/2011 7:41 AM, ecat builder wrote:

Hey Aussie,

It seems like Chan is doing all his heating by RF coil.
A slow tuning of the dial may be all it takes to find a harmonic that works.
I take it you've tried the 81.9Mhz figure from Storms? Maybe ask how
he came up with that number?
I have some new copper pipe, a freq gen, and some new powders coming
in.. will keep you posted.

- Brad






RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread Peter Brosnan

Hi Guys ,  Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined up . I 
got interested in Phen as well 
Phen talks about   The chamber is pressurized
with hydrogen to 2000 psi and heated to 200 C 
I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the rest 
is coming . 
The Hurdle   is  how do I pressureize  my H2 at  2000 psi . Most of the Gas 
compressor I've seen are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood ) 
One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi  
Any ideas guys 
Thanks   Pete

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests 
described by McKubre
From: besantos1...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)
Just kidding. :-)
No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be a 
lot of evidences pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground. 



2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com



On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Jed,I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.
Sorry, not Italian.







  

RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
It comes out of a nearly full tank at more than that.
  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Brosnan [mailto:ddc...@hotmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:53 PM
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com


  Hi Guys ,  Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined up
. I got interested in Phen as well


  Phen talks about   The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi
and heated to 200 C 


  I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the
rest is coming .


  The Hurdle   is  how do I pressureize  my H2 at  2000 psi . Most of the
Gas compressor I've seen are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood )


  One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi


  Any ideas guys


  Thanks   Pete




--
  Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo
tests described by McKubre
  From: besantos1...@gmail.com
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

  Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)


  Just kidding. :-)


  No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be
a lot of evidences pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.






  2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com




On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:

  Jed,
  I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.

Sorry, not Italian.









RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread Ron Wormus

I think you can buy it in a pressurized tank with a regulator from gas 
suppliers.


On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:53 AM +1000 Peter Brosnan ddc...@hotmail.com 
wrote:




Hi Guys ,  Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined up . I 
got interested in
Phen as well

Phen talks about   The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi and heated 
to 200 C 


I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the rest 
is coming .


The Hurdle   is  how do I pressureize  my H2 at  2000 psi . Most of the Gas 
compressor I've seen
are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood )


One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi


Any ideas guys


Thanks   Pete




__
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests 
described by McKubre
From: besantos1...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)


Just kidding. :-)


No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be a 
lot of evidences
pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.






2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com





On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Jed,
I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.



Sorry, not Italian.
















Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread ecat builder
Hi Peter,
That's a lot of pressure and temperatures to work with... Remember the
pressure will increase significantly when heated. Every part of your
container needs to be rated for whatever the final temp/pressure
combination is, including tubing, valves, sealant, etc. I'd like to
know how you plan to safely bring hydrogen at 2000psi to 500C and then
back down to a vacuum (of indeterminate pressure) inside a glovebox.

But, yes, you can order a tank with a hydrogen regulator (300 psi) and
have the bottle filled to 2000psi and go direct from the bottle to
your device. (Of course, your welding shop can give you advice on
this... which will be don't do it--you'll kill yourself.)

- Brad



RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread Peter Brosnan

Thanks Ron and Hoyt . I appreciate your help and Yes after phone calls , 
Hydrogen tank $90  at 2000 psi 
Have to rent the tank and ordering Regulator as we speak 
Can buy a Vacum pump 1.5 cfm $90  or   
6.0 cfm $150
Anybody understand if the 1.5 would be enough ? 
Intend to follow Phens  formula first 
Anybody here experimented with what he stated ?  


 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:18:38 -0700
 From: prot...@frii.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
 
 I think you can buy it in a pressurized tank with a regulator from gas 
 suppliers.
 
 
 On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:53 AM +1000 Peter Brosnan 
 ddc...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  Hi Guys ,  Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined up 
  . I got interested in
  Phen as well
 
  Phen talks about   The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi 
  and heated to 200 C 
 
 
  I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the 
  rest is coming .
 
 
  The Hurdle   is  how do I pressureize  my H2 at  2000 psi . Most of the Gas 
  compressor I've seen
  are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood )
 
 
  One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi
 
 
  Any ideas guys
 
 
  Thanks   Pete
 
 
 
 
  __
  Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo 
  tests described by McKubre
  From: besantos1...@gmail.com
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 
  Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)
 
 
  Just kidding. :-)
 
 
  No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be 
  a lot of evidences
  pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi 
  gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Jed,
  I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.
 
 
 
  Sorry, not Italian.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  

RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

2011-12-19 Thread Peter Brosnan

Hi Brad Thanks mate . Eveyrbody seems to want to live forever .or die of 
boredom , each to his own Favorite movie Shawshank RedemptionGet busy 
living or get busy dieing I Plan on living to at least 100 (I want my 
letter from the Queen)
It will take at least a month to get this ready 
Rossi saying.  600 c optimum  @   360  psi Defkalion  is   400 c
@400 to 500 psi Pressure release valve fixed at 2000 psi   
Im no genius, but  there are several critical safety procedures to follow and I 
will be following each one to the letter .   
 Phen stated the 500 c was only at stage 1Which was nickel and carbon ONLY (No 
Hhydrogen) get rid of all oxygen and oxides 
The 2000 psi was at 200 c 
The psi will jump to about 3500 psi  , when 200c is applied ( I wont be going 
any  where near that unless the engineer and machinist say OK) and thne it will 
be in a 12 mm   steel caseing . The PRV will blow first straight into a steel 
pipe , heading 4 m ,  straight up 
The lead will shield me from the gamma The gamma is what Im hoping to detect , 
T think the technology hinges on that . Im 90 % sure this is not a hoax . And 
if it is I will go back to my other 2 projects 
Im really interested in your thoughts on the RFG , caviation ,ultrasonic . Ive 
heard of 360 Mkhz talked about and 89 Mkhz . A friend said I should introduce a 
form of microwave . Ive got no idea at this stage Do you ? 
Pete(The mad Aussie backyarder)  
 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:42:42 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
 From: ecatbuil...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 
 Hi Peter,
 That's a lot of pressure and temperatures to work with... Remember the
 pressure will increase significantly when heated. Every part of your
 container needs to be rated for whatever the final temp/pressure
 combination is, including tubing, valves, sealant, etc. I'd like to
 know how you plan to safely bring hydrogen at 2000psi to 500C and then
 back down to a vacuum (of indeterminate pressure) inside a glovebox.
 
 But, yes, you can order a tank with a hydrogen regulator (300 psi) and
 have the bottle filled to 2000psi and go direct from the bottle to
 your device. (Of course, your welding shop can give you advice on
 this... which will be don't do it--you'll kill yourself.)
 
 - Brad