RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-08 Thread a.ashfield
Having just read Mats Lewan's An Impossible Invention I would bet on Rossi knowing what he is doing. He's been through all this a coupe of times before. In particular, consider what would have happened if he had described the E-Cat in sufficient detail that others could make a working

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
This patent is a fiasco. I do not know much about patents, but even I knew about some of the problems David French described. Rossi is reportedly an experienced businessman. So why did he make such extreme mistakes? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-04 Thread Daniel Rocha
Maybe he has some psychiatric problems? Schizophrenia? http://www.helpguide.org/mental/schizophrenia_symptom.htm 2014-04-04 10:23 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Rossi is reportedly an experienced businessman. So why did he make such extreme mistakes? - Jed -- Daniel

RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell This patent is a fiasco. I do not know much about patents, but even I knew about some of the problems David French described. Rossi is reportedly an experienced businessman. So why did he make such extreme mistakes? Well, he did not understand how his device

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-04 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, I believe this is wrong on a couple of counts. First, there is no non-publication rule, there is the publication rule which says that 18 months after the priority date (usually the date of application), the patent application is published by the USPTO. Once filed, there is nothing to

RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Jones, I believe this is wrong on a couple of counts. First, there is no non-publication rule, there is the publication rule which says that 18 months after the priority date (usually the date of application), the patent application is published by the USPTO. Once

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-03 Thread Bob Higgins
Having a long history with corporate business protection with IP, a couple of points strike me that I think are getting missed: - Big business is only protected with a PORTFOLIO of patents - not just a single patent. - The bigger the business, the more manpower that can be applied to working

[Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most. 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed --

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Axil Axil
Why do you say that? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most. 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link:

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Susanna Gipp
Whatcha talkin bout Daniel!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k 2014-04-02 20:05 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: Why do you say that? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Bob Cook
fully in Rossi's/Industrial Heat's response to the current PO notice. Bob - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application Basically, Rossi's soap

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
The text says: As is usual with a first initiative by a US Patent Office Examiner, this Office Action rejects the application. Rossi now has three months from March 26, 2014, extendable upon fee payments up to six months, to file a Response. Whatever Rossi could do to have a patent, he should do

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
He could achieve the same by doing nothing since this patent, as it is, doesn't protect anything. Rossi will be, at least, a victim of himself. 2014-04-02 15:46 GMT-03:00 Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com: I thought that the original application was vague on purpose. It gave Rossi more time

RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Susanna Gipp Whatcha talkin bout Daniel! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k The Rossi opera - soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone. There is a conforming history - even if the present

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Lennart Thornros
I like Jones' analysis. It covers most of it. I further think that if Rossi does not have a working LENR at least he believes he has one as there is no way he has completely fooled all investors involved just sweet talking. I understand he has made less smart business in the field of garbage and

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
But they did have patents! But Rossi doesn't have anything. His ecat secret will be cracked within days or just a few weeks, given the importance of the invention, the greatest since the domestication of wheat and rice So, he doesn't have anything. He's naked, he won't profit without a patent.

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Bob Cook
Andrea Rossi US Patent Application From: Susanna Gipp Whatcha talkin bout Daniel! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k The Rossi opera - soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Terry Blanton
WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret ingredients.

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret ingredients. So, it is a trade secret. That works for a product with a limited market. If WD40 were worth hundreds of billions, other companies would do a chemical analysis of it, and then

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Jed, I think it works with a trade secret. One just need to be ahead of the pack to win. As a matter of fact a patent might be a disadvantage as you need to give away some trade secrets. Many times it is possible to find ways around the patent and perhaps have an advantage by not having a

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Bob Cook
---also more dangerous in some folks minds. Bob - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: WD40

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Terry Blanton
Nothing stops China. They took microscopic slices of the Intel 8080 microprocessor and reconstructed the masks required to back engineer the chip. Cheap knock offs were shipping within a year of the introduction of the chip.

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Wasn't it SU? 2014-04-02 22:49 GMT-03:00 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: Nothing stops China. They took microscopic slices of the Intel 8080 microprocessor and reconstructed the masks required to back engineer the chip. Cheap knock offs were shipping within a year of the introduction of

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: But they did have patents! But Rossi doesn't have anything. His ecat secret will be cracked within days or just a few weeks, given the importance of the invention, the greatest since the domestication of wheat and rice

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
The fundamental misstep of Rossi was this: The specification shall contain a written description of the invention, and of the manner and process of making and using it, in such full, clear, concise, and exact terms as to enable any person skilled in the art to which it pertains, or with which it

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Rossi opera – soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone. Both riveting and weighed down with some longueurs. When the news comes in,

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
If the e-Cat pans out - not just a soap opera, but a fundamental re-evaluation of the how we should investigate and perceive physical reality itself. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

2014-04-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
I was not thinking deeply. Just evaluating Rossi's behavior. 2014-04-03 0:15 GMT-03:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: If the e-Cat pans out - not just a soap opera, but a fundamental re-evaluation of the how we should investigate and perceive physical reality itself. -- Daniel