Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
At 12:08 PM 10/1/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: From: BUSHNELL Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:55:10 -0500 To: Steven Krivit Subject: Request Put in your Blog. My well done remark referred to the accuracy of your reporting of my quotes from the GRC meeting. Period. Was not referring to the veracity of the entire piece. D. ... and it's STILL not on Krivit's Blog ... http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/30/some-responses-to-nasa-advances-evaluation-of-piantelli%E2%80%99s-lenr-research/
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
On 2011-09-30 11:12, Akira Shirakawa wrote: It could mean different things depending on the reader's point of view, in my opinion. Daniele Passerini got permission to post the following reply from Bushnell to Krivit in his blog. He added it in a comment in this link, but I think he eventually make a blog post about it later: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/09/fatti-non-parole.html From: BUSHNELL Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:55:10 -0500 To: Steven Krivit Subject: Request Put in your Blog. My well done remark referred to the accuracy of your reporting of my quotes from the GRC meeting. Period. Was not referring to the veracity of the entire piece. D. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here: This has been posted in the comments section. I'm assuming the email is authentic: Received via e-mail: “Well done, as usual. Look forward to your reporting of the upcoming Rossi tests.” Dennis Bushnell It could mean different things depending on the reader's point of view, in my opinion. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
So, Dennis Bushnell is Krivit's acolyte? 2011/9/30 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here: This has been posted in the comments section. I'm assuming the email is authentic: Received via e-mail: “Well done, as usual. Look forward to your reporting of the upcoming Rossi tests.” Dennis Bushnell It could mean different things depending on the reader's point of view, in my opinion. Cheers, S.A.
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At 05:26 AM 9/30/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: So, Dennis Bushnell is Krivit's acolyte? Received via e-mail: Well done, as usual. Look forward to your reporting of the upcoming Rossi tests. Dennis Bushnell luke (luca) says: September 30, 2011 at 14:12 Dr. Bushnell you are going on the record as agreeing with Mr. Krivit that tests were performed in September by Rossi for NASA and the tests were not positive. If this is not your intention then please state otherwise. Thanks Luke
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On 2011-09-30 18:15, Alan J Fletcher wrote: luke (luca) says: September 30, 2011 at 14:12 [...] Given the wording of this comment, if Krivit forgets to post Bushnell's answer, that could be erroneously interpreted as his confirmation that the tests were not positive. User luke (luka) should have asked his question in a more direct form, in my opinion. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here: This is Rossi's rebuttal: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=9#comment-83748 WARNING: THE SNAKE HAS WRITTEN IN HIS BLOG THAT NASA MADE A NOT POSITIVE TEST WITH US. THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE. I AM BOUND FROM A CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT AND I CANNOT GIVE DETAILED INFORMATION, BUT I CAN SAY THAT: 1- WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH NASA, WHO WANTS TO TEST OUR ECATS TO TEST THE POSSIBILITY TO MAKE THEM USEFUL FOR THEIR PURPOSES 2- NASA’S DENNIS.M.BUSHNELL HAS SAID PUBILCLY THAT NASA WILL BUY AN E-CAT AS SOON AS IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO TEST IT 3- OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH NASA IS TOTALLY POSITIVE IN A SEPARATE STATEMENT, A SNAKE’S ACCOLITE WROTE THAT THE TEST WE ARE GOING TO DO ON THE 6TH OF OCTOBER WILL BE ALWAYS MADE WITH STEAM. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH THIS PEOPLE YOU DEAL WITH PERSONS THAT HAVE REAL DIFFICULTIES TO UNDERSTAND A TITLE OF A NEWSPAPER IF THEY ARE AT THE SAME TIME CHEWING A GUM, BUT, JUST TO AVOID CONFUSION I REPEAT THAT: THE MEASUREMENTS WILL BE MADE ON LIQUID WATER. WE WILL HAVE THE STEAM PRODUCED FROM THE REACTOR THAT WILL WORK IN A CLOSED LOOP, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT, AND THE STEAM ITSELF EXCHANGES HEAT WITH THE LIQUID WATER IN A SECONDARY CLOSED CIRCUIT, SO THAT THE WATER IS HEATED BY THE STEAM THROUGH THE WALLS OF A HEAT EXCHANGER. WE WILL MEASURE THE ENERGY TAKING THE DELTA T OF THE WATER, THE WATER, THE WATER, NOT OF THE STEAM NOT OF THE STEAM, NOT OF THE STEAM, THEREFORE THE ISSUE OF THE QUALITY OF THE STEAM HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT IMPORTANCE, BECAURE WE DO NOT MEASURE THE ENERGY FROM THE STEAM !!! WE COULD PUT IN THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT STEAM, DIATHERMIC OIL, GLYCOLE, COCA COLA: IT IS ABSOLUTELY IRRILEVANT WHICH IS THE FLUID IN THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT AS FOR CONCERNS THE MEASUREMENT OF THE ENERGY BECAUSE WE MEASURE THE ENERGY ONLY MULTIPLYING THE CUBIC METERS OF WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE SECONDARY CIRCUIT BY THE DELTA t OBTAINED SUBTRACTING FROM THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WATER (LIQUID) OF THE SECONDARY CIRCUIT AT THE EXIT FROM THE HEAT EXCHANGER THE TEMPERATURE OF THE SAME LIQUID WATER AT THE INPUT OF THE SAME HEAT EXCHANGER. ANDREA ROSSI Cheers, S.A.
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All bets are off. The catalyst that ignites Rossi's powerful hot reactions is now well known and proven: KrIvIt. mic 2011/9/29 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here: This is Rossi's rebuttal: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=510cpage=9#**comment-83748http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=9#comment-83748 WARNING: THE SNAKE HAS WRITTEN IN HIS BLOG THAT NASA MADE A NOT POSITIVE TEST WITH US. THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE. I AM BOUND FROM A CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT AND I CANNOT GIVE DETAILED INFORMATION, BUT I CAN SAY THAT: 1- WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH NASA, WHO WANTS TO TEST OUR ECATS TO TEST THE POSSIBILITY TO MAKE THEM USEFUL FOR THEIR PURPOSES 2- NASA’S DENNIS.M.BUSHNELL HAS SAID PUBILCLY THAT NASA WILL BUY AN E-CAT AS SOON AS IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO TEST IT 3- OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH NASA IS TOTALLY POSITIVE IN A SEPARATE STATEMENT, A SNAKE’S ACCOLITE WROTE THAT THE TEST WE ARE GOING TO DO ON THE 6TH OF OCTOBER WILL BE ALWAYS MADE WITH STEAM. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH THIS PEOPLE YOU DEAL WITH PERSONS THAT HAVE REAL DIFFICULTIES TO UNDERSTAND A TITLE OF A NEWSPAPER IF THEY ARE AT THE SAME TIME CHEWING A GUM, BUT, JUST TO AVOID CONFUSION I REPEAT THAT: THE MEASUREMENTS WILL BE MADE ON LIQUID WATER. WE WILL HAVE THE STEAM PRODUCED FROM THE REACTOR THAT WILL WORK IN A CLOSED LOOP, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT, AND THE STEAM ITSELF EXCHANGES HEAT WITH THE LIQUID WATER IN A SECONDARY CLOSED CIRCUIT, SO THAT THE WATER IS HEATED BY THE STEAM THROUGH THE WALLS OF A HEAT EXCHANGER. WE WILL MEASURE THE ENERGY TAKING THE DELTA T OF THE WATER, THE WATER, THE WATER, NOT OF THE STEAM NOT OF THE STEAM, NOT OF THE STEAM, THEREFORE THE ISSUE OF THE QUALITY OF THE STEAM HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT IMPORTANCE, BECAURE WE DO NOT MEASURE THE ENERGY FROM THE STEAM !!! WE COULD PUT IN THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT STEAM, DIATHERMIC OIL, GLYCOLE, COCA COLA: IT IS ABSOLUTELY IRRILEVANT WHICH IS THE FLUID IN THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT AS FOR CONCERNS THE MEASUREMENT OF THE ENERGY BECAUSE WE MEASURE THE ENERGY ONLY MULTIPLYING THE CUBIC METERS OF WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE SECONDARY CIRCUIT BY THE DELTA t OBTAINED SUBTRACTING FROM THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WATER (LIQUID) OF THE SECONDARY CIRCUIT AT THE EXIT FROM THE HEAT EXCHANGER THE TEMPERATURE OF THE SAME LIQUID WATER AT THE INPUT OF THE SAME HEAT EXCHANGER. ANDREA ROSSI Cheers, S.A.
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From: Michele Comitini All bets are off. The catalyst that ignites Rossi's powerful hot reactions is now well known and proven: KrIvIt. Really? Good heavens! I missed that little tidbit. Can you cite references or links that describe Rossi's secret sauce? Inquiring minds want to know. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Rossi wrote: WE WILL MEASURE THE ENERGY TAKING THE DELTA T OF THE WATER, THE WATER, THE WATER, NOT OF THE STEAM NOT OF THE STEAM, NOT OF THE STEAM, THEREFORE THE ISSUE OF THE QUALITY OF THE STEAM HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT IMPORTANCE, BECAURE WE DO NOT MEASURE THE ENERGY FROM THE STEAM !!! WE COULD PUT IN THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT STEAM, DIATHERMIC OIL, GLYCOLE, COCA COLA . . . That's hysterical. In every sense of the word. He is right, though. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a snake is not doing himself any favors. IMO, to constantly reveal such an incredibly raw emotional side of himself to the general public, particularly in the midst of trying to convince others as to the accuracy of his controversial scientific evidence... it does not serve Rossi's goals. I think it hinders them. Incredibly so. I wish Rossi would stop emphasizing the scales he perceives his critics as displaying and simply state the facts evidence he has managed to accumulate. As I've suggested before, by nature Krivit strikes me as a cynic. Being a cynic is neither a good nor bad trait. What it boils down to is whether Krivit can utilize his innate sense of cynicism as effectively as he can in the pursuit of investigative journalism. The problem for Rossi is that as he continues to describe what he perceives as Krivit's scales, all that tends to do to a cynic-at-heart is to give them the feeling that they have cornered a warm blooded Italian prairie dog. It tends to drive a cynic to go in for the kill. In the final analysis, if Rossi should be so lucky as to eventually pull a magic eCat out of his hat, it will not be due to his outrageous flamboyant style of web blogging. Rossi's speculated eventual success will instead be entirely due to an accumulation of solid evidence, the kind of evidence that can no longer be dismissed by self-appointed skeptics, snakes, and hoax believers. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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- Original Nachricht Von: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 29.09.2011 16:21 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news) Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a snake is not doing himself any favors. IMO, to constantly reveal such an incredibly raw emotional side of himself to the general public, particularly in the midst of trying to convince others as to the accuracy of his controversial scientific evidence... it does not serve Rossi's goals. I think it hinders them. Incredibly so. Yes, I think he should not express his emotions in public. However I think there are reasons: There seems to (hostile) competition between Piantelli group and Rossi. Krivit in his website gives the impression to be independent, but his sponsor is unknown and he seems to prefer the piantelli group over others. Rossi seems to believe Rossi was acting as a spy for his progress and industrial secret during the demonstration, that he gave to Krivit. I think Krivit is biased to support his sponsors and gives not untrue, but biased reports about LENR for money reasons. Its just a joke, when they commercialize LENR before having any usable product or definitive experiment demonstrated. Maybe they compete for investors or customers in a unfair way.
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, More from Rossi on NASA: 1) How is it going with the 1MW plant? is it completed? 2) Did you invited people from NASA to the October 6th test? 3) Is NASA the big customer of your first 1MW plant? Dear Alessandro Casali: 1- It will be ready by the end of October for the test. We are making corrections. 2- Yes, but they prefer to test our Cats in their Facilities in the USA 3- No, they will buy the modular E-Cats to check if this technology is useful for their purposes. Warm Regards, A.R. So, NASA is not Rossi's big customer, but people working there apparently promised to purchase e-Cat modules for in-house testing as soon as they become available. Should we conclude that the 2nd test (not the one on October 6th) with the small e-cat will be done at a NASA facility? Dear Alessandro Casali: Not yet, Warm Regards, A.R. And the two tests expected for next month (putting aside the public inauguration of the 1-megawatt thermal powerplant planned for the end of October, which is a separate event) won't involve NASA yet. Cheers, S.A.
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From Peter: ... There seems to (hostile) competition between Piantelli group and Rossi. Krivit in his website gives the impression to be independent, but his sponsor is unknown and he seems to prefer the piantelli group over others. You seem to be speculating, and therefore insinuating that Krivit's sponsor(s) might have direct or indirect ties to Piantelli's group. I seriously doubt this. When I was still a BoD member for Krivit's NET organization his sponser(s), at least during the time when I was still a BoD, seemed pretty independently-minded to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt Krivit's sponsorship would have changed all that much since my departure. Based on what others have said Piantelli's group has been approaching the publication of their work in a far more academic professional manner than what Rossi has been doing. Therefore, why wouldn't ANYONE tend to be more favorable towards Piantelli. To many, Rossi's flamboyant approach could be described as akin to that of a carnival barker. No wonder he makes many suspicious... ESPECIALLY cynically-minded investigative reporters. Rossi seems to believe Rossi [Did you really mean Krivit???] was acting as a spy for his progress and industrial secret during the demonstration, that he gave to Krivit. Again, we see Rossi's emotional side getting the better of him. He is not doing himself any favors letting his emotions dictate supposition speculation concerning the actions of others for which probably knows very little of. I think Krivit is biased to support his sponsors and gives not untrue, but biased reports about LENR for money reasons. Again, I disagree, based on my own past interactions with Krivit. At least during the time when I was a BoD member Krivit did NOT appear to have financial sponsors who actively supported any particular theory, including WLT. Granted, Krivit does seem to give many the impression that he favors the Widom-Larsen theory. However, what Krivit seems to show, at least to me, is a willingness to revise his opinion if additional evidence were to come about that throws water on the WLT. I suspect Krivit would change his tune if a better, new and improved theory came about. But right now, why does he (why does anyone) need to do that. At present nobody really has the inside track. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Am 29.09.2011 17:29, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson: From Peter: ... There seems to (hostile) competition between Piantelli group and Rossi. Krivit in his website gives the impression to be independent, but his sponsor is unknown and he seems to prefer the piantelli group over others. You seem to be speculating, and therefore insinuating that Krivit's sponsor(s) might have direct or indirect ties to Piantelli's group. I seriously doubt this. Now, Krivit wrote about Rossi Rossi and Focardi LENR Device: Probably Real, With Credit to Piantelli. It is clear Piantelli and Focardi made the first reports about H-Ni fusion. But Rossis device is completely different, using powder instead a solid nickle cylinder and using high pressure instead subatmospheric pressure. Of course Piantellis patents tries to cover all other methods that a human could think about too, but I think these claims are invalid. There cannot be a patent on H-Ni fusion in general. You can have a patent on an Otto Motor but you cannot have a patent on a fuel combustion motor in general, otherwise Diesel could not have made his motor. So I really think, Rossis reactor has nothing more to do with Piantellis invention as that they both use H-Ni LENR reactions. Also Piantelli has the patents, but Piantelli is a biologist, while Focardi is a nuclear scientist and if they had no contract while ressearching, Piantelli cannot claim ownership for Focardis work and most of the publications seam to originate from Focardi. So Krivit clearly tries to emphasize Piantellis rights here over Rossi/Focardi rights. This is one reason how I came to this assumption. When I was still a BoD member for Krivit's NET organization his sponser(s), at least during the time when I was still a BoD, seemed pretty independently-minded to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt Krivit's sponsorship would have changed all that much since my departure. If the sponsors are not known he cannot claim independence. Rossi seems to believe Rossi [Did you really mean Krivit???] Yes I meant Krivit, obviously. This is a result of errorneous editing (because Im not a good english speaker) and a lack of time while writing this. was acting as a spy for his progress and industrial secret during the demonstration, that he gave to Krivit. This is obviously Rossis point of view. I dont share this necessarily. Again, we see Rossi's emotional side getting the better of him. He is not doing himself any favors letting his emotions dictate supposition speculation concerning the actions of others for which probably knows very little of. I think Krivit is biased to support his sponsors and gives not untrue, but biased reports about LENR for money reasons. Again, I disagree, based on my own past interactions with Krivit. At least during the time when I was a BoD member Krivit did NOT appear to have financial sponsors who actively supported any particular theory, including WLT. Granted, Krivit does seem to give many the impression that he favors the Widom-Larsen theory. I mistrust all theories that are made by companies seeking for investors. I also dont understand why each new company must have their own theory. I suspect here is science abused as a marketing instrument and I dont like this. This is why LENR urgently needs a repeatable simple experiment that shows energy production reliable, repeatable. It wouldnt matter, if the COP is only 120% as long as it easy and reliable to measure. Before this happens, serious research cannot start. So far I know, several universities and companies had tried to replicate Piantellis findings, but did not find any excess energy. However, what Krivit seems to show, at least to me, is a willingness to revise his opinion if additional evidence were to come about that throws water on the WLT. I suspect Krivit would change his tune if a better, new and improved theory came about. Not theories are needed. There are more than anybody could want. An experiment that shows repeatable scientific evidence is needed. Best, Peter
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From Peter Heckert S. V. Johnson When I was still a BoD member for Krivit's NET organization his sponser(s), at least during the time when I was still a BoD, seemed pretty independently- minded to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt Krivit's sponsorship [I meant sponser(s)] would have changed all that much since my departure. If the sponsors are not known he cannot claim independence. There may still be some miscommunication between us. Let me try to clarify my POV. Krivit most certainly knows who his financial sponsors are. How could he not. NET is his organization and his organization alone. To the best of my knowledge the sponsors Krivit revealed to his NET BoD (when I was still a BoD member) did not strike me as having any kind ties to any particular energy theory. I don't suspect things have changed all that much since my departure. For that matter, the nature of the business these sponsors performed had nothing to do with the production of energy. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Am 29.09.2011 19:12, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson: From Peter Heckert S. V. Johnson When I was still a BoD member for Krivit's NET organization his sponser(s), at least during the time when I was still a BoD, seemed pretty independently- minded to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt Krivit's sponsorship [I meant sponser(s)] would have changed all that much since my departure. If the sponsors are not known he cannot claim independence. There may still be some miscommunication between us. Let me try to clarify my POV. Krivit most certainly knows who his financial sponsors are. How could he not. NET is his organization and his organization alone. To the best of my knowledge the sponsors Krivit revealed to his NET BoD (when I was still a BoD member) did not strike me as having any kind ties to any particular energy theory. I don't suspect things have changed all that much since my departure. For that matter, the nature of the business these sponsors performed had nothing to do with the production of energy. This is the same as with major newspapers (Times, Washington Post, Die Welt, Frankfurter Allgemeine, and many others) We all know, they are independent, and they are, but we all know they prefer one political mainstream over another and we know which. We know the investors and owners. With Krivit however, we know nothing. So he is not an independent Journalist. We dont know, what he wants aside from publishing and writing books, and so he might prefer those that give him the best raw material for (fake or true) stories. Best, Peter
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
Hi, On 29-9-2011 16:21, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a snake is not doing himself any favors. IMO, to constantly reveal such an incredibly raw emotional side of himself to the general public, particularly in the midst of trying to convince others as to the accuracy of his controversial scientific evidence... it does not serve Rossi's goals. I think it hinders them. Incredibly so. I prefer based upon the weird and negative behaviour Krivit towards Rossi is showing not to call him a SNAKE, but in chinese analogy to call him a RAT, as he shows the similar kind of behaviour. It appears to me Krivit has some kind of hidden agenda but I don't understand what he is gaining with this, but there must be some kind of reason why he behaves like this. And personally I couldn't care less the way how Rossi reacts upon him, as long as Rossi puts his efforts in developing his Ecat, because the world is in urgent need of this kind of device. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From: Michele Comitini All bets are off. The catalyst that ignites Rossi's powerful hot reactions is now well known and proven: KrIvIt. Really? Good heavens! I missed that little tidbit. Can you cite references or links that describe Rossi's secret sauce? Inquiring minds want to know. Krivit is certainly causing a reaction within Rossi. AAMOF, it appears to me that AR is on the verge of a meltdown. Do you notice a hint of desperation in AR's writings of late? T
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Terry seZ: ... Krivit is certainly causing a reaction within Rossi. AAMOF, it appears to me that AR is on the verge of a meltdown. Do you notice a hint of desperation in AR's writings of late? LOL. I completely missed the original joke. ...er the joke is on me. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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My two cents: As was previously theorized, Rossi may have really been onto something. Unfortunately, when the reaction occurs, it is difficult to keep stable; it runs away and needs to be quenched. If you recall, the Defkalion rumors centered around a nonpayment from Defkalion until Rossi achieved stability. In an effort to tame the cat, and make it safe he had tried to find a lower-power stable setup. But, he only really achieved stability when it WASN'T WORKING. By failing to do proper calorimetry and use proper controls, he'd fooled himself into thinking it's running smoothly when it isn't running at all. If Krivit's sources are correct (it is worth reading the entire NET article), NASA really sounds quite excited about LENR, and appears to have made great strides in successful replication. I just wish that they would publish their results openly. They successfully saw anomalous heat in 1989, but were afraid to admit it, until now: Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR. http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm But, Krivit may be onto something. The NASA site I've linked above has the following soon-to-be-link at the bottom. + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon]. LENR looks to really be gaining attention. Andrea Rossi may be lost to history, if only by his own behavior. Donating to the World - Two Cents at a Time, R.L. ___ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:00:25 +0200 From: shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news) Hello Group, Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here: NASA Advances Evaluation of Piantelli’s LENR Research Short URL: http://goo.gl/Ei9jW (which is quite interesting and I recommend to read it entirely, although that partially goes outside the scope of this thread). Excerpt from the end of the article: On Sept. 5 and 6, a team comprising representatives from an investment group and NASA visited Andrea Rossi’s showroom in Bologna. The team went there with an explicit agreement about test parameters and opportunities to observe and evaluate Rossi’s claims. They did not observe any positive results. This isn't very encouraging news. Assuming that Krivit's sources are correct, could this be the reason why Rossi is repeatedly denying any involvement with NASA? Or maybe it's Krivit's misinterpretation of the actual happenings instead? Cheers, S.A.
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: But, he only really achieved stability when it WASN'T WORKING. By failing to do proper calorimetry and use proper controls, he'd fooled himself into thinking it's running smoothly when it isn't running at all. I agree that this is probably what is happening. The fact is that there is likely no stable operating point with his geometry. He needs a complete design team of multiple disciplined engineers to develop a working product. We can only hope that Defkalion has done just that with Rossi's reaction. T
