Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs

2011-12-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: If these things are true, then the tiny black holes that escape the local magnets, especially when they are powered down,  will eventually head for the center of the earth. Hence, falling objects. How would you

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
Is it in that experiment that the core take 40minutes to cool down? in that case, if really disconnected from electricity, and still hot for 4 hours it is a proof that something else produce heat? correct me. 2011/12/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com In the Oct. 6 test, which is the one in

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Am 03.12.2011 16:20, schrieb Horace Heffner: I suggest that the dark zone at the tip of the needle is not due to a vacuum there. It is more likely due to the average delay for recombination of the ions and electrons.  

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs **VIRUS**

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Alan Fletcher wrote: The second link gave me a VIRUS alert -- blocked by my system, but take care Hi Dave, http://www.singtech.com/ VIRUS http://www.singtech.com/pages/success.html VIRUS Thanks for the warning. Could you be more specific about the message

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Charles Hope
How else do we know what the instruments said, but by recording them? On Dec 3, 2011, at 16:06, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Ah. Depends on how much you trust that when Rossi says it's off, it's really off. Remember the stable! stable!

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Mary, Do you have a link to the stable-stable movie. I like to see Rossi's tricks in action. G On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote: How else do we know what the instruments said, but by recording them? On Dec 3, 2011, at 16:06, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.12.2011 16:20, schrieb Horace Heffner: I suggest that the dark zone at the tip of the needle is not due to a vacuum there. It is more likely due to the average delay for recombination of the ions and electrons. Electron recombination

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs **VIRUS**

2011-12-03 Thread Alan Fletcher
I don't recall the name sorry. Somewhere in my AVG (free) / Firefox / Noscript chain. I went back and didn't get the message -- AVG might have tagged it to avoid multi-reporting. - Original Message - Hi Dave, http://www.singtech.com / VIRUS

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Electrical power was not continuosly recorded in most of rossi's tests. In the Oct. 6 test, which is

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.12.2011 22:14, schrieb Harry Veeder: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Peter Heckertpeter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I believe there is a vacuum for these reasons: 1) I placed a charged needle 1-2 cm above a water surface. The air blow makes a sharp, mm deep and mm wide hole into the water

Re: [Vo]:Cyclone Power turbines

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
OK, here's another approach as food for thought: the expanding CO2 can be channelled through a fluidic amplifier, with side jets drivin piezo crystals at high frequencies. Multiple stage amplifiers can be used to reduce electronic power input demand. Multiple power units tuned out of

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs **VIRUS**

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
Thanks for checking! On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: I don't recall the name sorry. Somewhere in my AVG (free) / Firefox / Noscript chain. I went back and didn't get the message -- AVG might have tagged it to avoid multi-reporting. Hi Dave, http://www.singtech.com/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Alan Fletcher
It seems that the UofB Press Office doesn't know its R's from its Elba. I waded through Krivit again (and avoided the piles of M.Y. poop -- totally off-topic, of course) to find : http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/01/university-of-bologna-clarifies-relationship-with-rossi/#comments

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
Here are some URLs related to Bill Beaty's air threads: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_prcDanfMw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLG8gKb-lyk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvLUL8f4LU http://amasci.com/freenrg/iontest.html Best regards, Horace

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
Say, Bill Beaty's experiments made it as a reference on wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_thread_experiment Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.12.2011 23:00, schrieb Horace Heffner: Say, Bill Beaty's experiments made it as a reference on wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_thread_experiment Yes, this experiment was made by others too and published in science journals. It must be seen that a strong current flows

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: The total amount supplied during the warm up phase is easily measured. It is the total amount of electricity supplied. Maybe it's easily measured but in fact it wasn't

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: Say, Bill Beaty's experiments made it as a reference on wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_thread_experiment I see they missed the possibility the water is held together by volume related *structural* changes. Incredible!

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.12.2011 22:57, schrieb Horace Heffner: Here are some URLs related to Bill Beaty's air threads: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_prcDanfMw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLG8gKb-lyk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvLUL8f4LU

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: We need more robust, long running, high output, credible experiments. SRI and the ENEA have done robust, long running, credible experiments for 20 years, albeit at low output.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Mary Yugo
Sorry, it took some time for me to get to it. http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/08/05/reviewing-ny-teknik-video-did-rossi-play-with-power-setting/ That's the whole discussion via Krivit's blog. The actual Youtube video is here:

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.12.2011 23:00, schrieb Horace Heffner: Say, Bill Beaty's experiments made it as a reference on wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_thread_experiment Yes, this experiment was made by others too and published in science

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.12.2011 23:51, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.12.2011 23:00, schrieb Horace Heffner: Say, Bill Beaty's experiments made it as a reference on wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_thread_experiment Yes, this experiment was made

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Good idea, good article. I disagree. Terrible idea, terrible article. Estimates are that $200 M has been spent on cold fusion research in 22 years. If that's not enough to generate unequivocal evidence of *heat* from nuclear

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:36 AM, David ledin wrote: Rob Duncan, vice chancellor of research at the University of Missouri going to establish a national research program that would help scientists study cold fusion . http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/dec/03/mu-research-chief-

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.12.2011 23:51, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.12.2011 23:00, schrieb Horace Heffner: Say, Bill Beaty's experiments made it as a reference on wikipedia!

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 04.12.2011 00:01, schrieb Peter Heckert: I dont believe, he used this for the water thread experiment. This needs more current. I tried with deionized water, but my supply was too week. It should deliver about 100µA. Its a TV split diode flyback transformer driven by a selfbuild

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.12.2011 22:57, schrieb Horace Heffner: Here are some URLs related to Bill Beaty's air threads: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_prcDanfMw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLG8gKb-lyk

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs **VIRUS**

2011-12-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: OH no, I opened them, but did not get any kind of alert. http://www.avgthreatlabs.com/sitereports/domain/singtech.com 30-day site report for: singtech.com Currently Safe No active threats were reported recently by users

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 04.12.2011 00:01, schrieb Peter Heckert: I dont believe, he used this for the water thread experiment. This needs more current. I tried with deionized water, but my supply was too week. It should deliver about 100µA. Its a TV split diode

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: SRI and the ENEA have done robust, long running, credible experiments for 20 years, albeit at low output. Skeptics, the DoE and most of academia have paid no attention to them. McKubre (paraphrased): It's illegal to

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: BTW, you might enjoy checking the archives for posts by Bill Beaty on the ability of HV needle tips to generate threads of water molecules from humidity in the air. Some thread names I recall are Air threads and

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: BTW, you might enjoy checking the archives for posts by Bill Beaty on the ability of HV needle tips to generate threads of water molecules from

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Oops!  I should have read the whole air thread! For those who might not know, Bill Beaty is our list owner. He has 56 science videos, 22,000 subscribers and 14 M viewings: http://www.youtube.com/user/wbeaty?feature=watch

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 04.12.2011 00:29, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 04.12.2011 00:01, schrieb Peter Heckert: I dont believe, he used this for the water thread experiment. This needs more current. I tried with deionized water, but my supply was too week. It

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Another video (62 minutes) about the water thread experiment: http://youtu.be/N1At3Gcd-No Its from SETI and demonstrates the science behind. It coveres everything from flow to conductivity to bubbles to thermographic measurements and heavy water experiments. Very interesting are the Schlieren

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 04.12.2011 01:16, schrieb Peter Heckert: Another video (62 minutes) about the water thread experiment: http://youtu.be/N1At3Gcd-No Its from SETI and demonstrates the science behind. It coveres everything from flow to conductivity to bubbles to thermographic measurements and heavy water

[Vo]:Invisible wall - from Bill Beaty's site

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
From: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html David Swenson of 3M Corporation describes an anomaly where workers encountered a strange invisible wall in the area under a fast- moving sheet of electrically charged polypropelene film in a factory. This invisible wall was strong enough to

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Another video (62 minutes) about the water thread experiment: http://youtu.be/N1At3Gcd-No Its from SETI and demonstrates the science behind. It coveres everything from flow to conductivity to bubbles to thermographic measurements and heavy

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 04.12.2011 01:41, schrieb Horace Heffner: This is about the water bridge experiment, not Bill Beaty's water thread experiments. His fine threads extended multiple times the length of the water bridge, and were sustained indefinitely, with orders of magnitude less current. Read the

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree. Terrible idea, terrible article. Estimates are that $200 M has been spent on cold fusion research in 22 years. If that's not enough to generate unequivocal evidence of *heat* from nuclear reactions in a

Re: [Vo]:Energy Catalyzer Wiki : FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH!

2011-12-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
I think that wiki article should be frozen for a while. There should be just basic information about the claim with _few_ *relevant* sources and only _public_ tests in January and October should be discussed. I think that three paragraph well written text should be enough. I do not see the urge

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 04.12.2011 01:41, schrieb Horace Heffner: This is about the water bridge experiment, not Bill Beaty's water thread experiments. His fine threads extended multiple times the length of the water bridge, and were sustained indefinitely,

[Vo]:Only thing what we know for sure from General Relativity is that it is false

2011-12-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
»break general relativity» [is suspect to Alain] This is wrong statement. Because general relativity is known to be false with infinite probability, because big bang was infinitely improbable event in dynamic cosmos according GR. And we have observed in CMB that cosmos is flat and this is

Re: [Vo]:Only thing what we know for sure from General Relativity is that it is false

2011-12-03 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
It's true that the QP and GR are incompatible at planck scale , and that is the subject of quantum gravity research. however about galaxy, dark matter and dark energy, seems more and more able to explain the facts (better that modified gravity, according to recent research). It raise chalenge in

Re: [Vo]:Only thing what we know for sure from General Relativity is that it is false

2011-12-03 Thread fznidarsic
I provided a unification of quantum physics that was derived as a condition of cold fusion. http://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays/View/952 Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Energy Catalyzer Wiki : FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH!

2011-12-03 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because ZPE is only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by definition. note that about the law I talk about, GR, QP, TD1/2, I'm just very very suspect about theory that assume a violation of that laws... I know that in some

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Estimates are that $200 M has been spent on cold fusion research in 22 years. Just out curiosity, how do we know that number? Has there been a study?

[Vo]:[Vo] : Rossi to show e-cat live... like Defkalion...

2011-12-03 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
after defkalion who say they will install a webcam to show an hyperion working http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=587 it seems that rossi agree too for a 24x7 show http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/12/rossi-open-to-live-streaming-video-of-his-e-cat-technology/ Note to MY : I

[Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No 484

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Gluck
My dear Friends, It is my privilege to send you a young issue of my old newsletter: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/12/informavores-sunday-no-484.html It seems our LENR adventure will continue: - Idea of the week: LENR technology is much too important to remain a monopol of anybody: -

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Harry Veeder
2011/12/3 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de: Am 03.12.2011 22:14, schrieb Harry Veeder: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Peter Heckertpeter.heck...@arcor.de  wrote: I believe there is a vacuum for these reasons: 1) I placed a charged needle 1-2 cm above a water surface. The air blow