Re: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
Actually, these days I seem to be more interested in studying two different classifications of biped simians: (1) those who remain stalwart in their belief that their own species has never been visited, and (2) those who believe our species has been visited by aliens, such as from the Ashtar Command. ***I'm in the first category. A place to start https://www.google.com/search?site=source=hpq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedoq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedgs_l=hp.3..0.2626.11049.0.11245.33.33.0.0.0.0.267.3634.13j16j3.32.00...1c.1.58.hp..4.29.3229.0.F-v4djhiG2Q On 10/31/14, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Terry sez: This looks a lot like disinfo. Maybe SVJ can give his opin. Yeah... who knows. ;-) Sorry, I've been a bit distracted lately. My secondary data hard drive abruptly died last night - no warning. As we speak I'm in the process of restoring a backup on a new SATA drive purchased from Best Buy. I'm also passing out candy to hoards of tiny little biped creatures. I give them candy and they go away. Some look like aliens, so who knows. ... Oh, and I'm also preparing to retire in 8 weeks - not that I'm counting. The You Tube link doesn't work for me. Looks like there has been a copyright violation and YT took it off-line. Bummer. I honestly can't say much about this particular UFO/Alien matter. As far as credibility goes my closest contact to a human who claimed to have seen a dead alien was when I managed to have a private conversation with the late Philip Corso. I was lucky enough to have flown out of Roswell back in 1997 after the completion of 50th anniversary of the Roswell UFO crash festival. We nattered a bit and he let me take a couple of photos of him gazing thoughtfully out the airplane window. He was quite an affable fellow. He enjoyed the limelight. Around the time of the alleged Roswell incident Corso claimed to have seen a dead alien body in a box filled with some blue liquid. He peeked under the lid of a crate and apparently saw something that made an impression on him. The late Strom Thurmond wrote a brief introduction to Corso's book on the Roswell incident before he fully understood what his old war buddy was going to talk about. When it was published Thurmond's senate office immediately demanded that Strom's endorsement be removed in successive editions. Fortunately, I have the 1st edition. When I read Strom's intro it's obvious to me that Strom didn't have a clue as to what Corso was going to talk about. I think he just wanted to give his o'l buddy a good send off. Well, they're both dead now. They probably know a lot more than we do now, including the possibility that they are slapping their knees in laughter. As for me, I don't have a problem speculating we may be occasionally visited by anthropologists doing their thesis on primitive biped simians. Perhaps others occasionally drop by for no other reason than that they like to dine on exotic bush meat... cattle. I wonder what the galactic restaurant star rating is for our backwater's planet. (** stars) Mostly harmless, but don't drink the water. Actually, these days I seem to be more interested in studying two different classifications of biped simians: (1) those who remain stalwart in their belief that their own species has never been visited, and (2) those who believe our species has been visited by aliens, such as from the Ashtar Command. http://www.ashtarcommand.org/ It's different types of belief structures for which we biped simians stalwartly adhere to that can occasionally fascinate me. my two cents Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
From Kevin, ***I'm in the first category. A place to start https://www.google.com/search?site= https://www.google.com/search?site=source=hpq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedoq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedgs_l=hp.3..0.2626.11049.0.11245.33.33.0.0.0.0.267.3634.13j16j3.32.00...1c.1.58.hp..4.29.3229.0.F-v4djhiG2Q source=hpq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedoq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedgs_l=hp.3..0.2626.11049.0.11245.33.33.0.0.0.0.267.3634.13j16j3.32.00...1c.1.58.hp..4.29.3229.0.F-v4djhiG2Q Looks like my hard drive restoration onto a brand new 2TB Segate hard drive was successful. It was, however, a bumpy ride. Lots of colorful swearing on my part. I suspect at one point during the restoration procedure I did not properly ground myself when I inadvertently touched the motherboard. It caused a 3.5 hour restoration procedure to fail with only 6 minutes left to complete. I had to start from scratch again. Wasn't too happy about that. :-0 Daniken does give me the impression that he is a skilled bullshit artist who knows how to sell books. Perhaps some of his ideas are interesting if not taken to extremes. On the other side of the fence there are debunkers like the late Philip Klass and James Randi. When it comes to the matter of UFO investigation these two individuals seem inept at actually following the principals of the deductive reasoning. On a related matter, I recall Randi, after attending what I believe was an APS conference held in Baltimore where Pons and Fleishman were interviewed, Randi gave a nudge, nudge, wink, wink to Carl Sagan who was also in attendance. Apparently Randy walked away convinced that the whole cold fusion matter was bullshit, just after listening to a few questions that had been directed at PF from the audience. Randi didn't like the way PF occasionally prefaced some of their replies with: Well. that's a very good question. From Randi's POV that obviously meant these two chemists had to be incompetent because from Randi's POV they were incapable of answering the skeptic's questions. From Randi POV if they were constantly being reduced to prefacing their responses in such a manner it meant they didn't know what they were doing. From my POV, it's a classic case of how a magician perceives how most people act: from slight-of-hand, deflection deceit. Case closed! Apparently, it didn't take Randi very much deductive reasoning to make up his mind on the CF matter. As purveyors who claim to follow the process of deductive reasoning, I think they give the process a black eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BemTGkjl6U Fascinating. Live long and prosper. ... \\V/ Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
At 07:34 PM 10/31/2014, you wrote: Another YouTube link to the same video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTXHw1mZD4. If that's missing just to a search on YouTube for Boyd Bushman Deathbed Confession. Kind of interesting. The You Tube link doesn't work for me. Looks like there has been a copyright violation and YT took it off-line. Bummer. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4189/8491 - Release Date: 11/01/14
RE: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
Wow! Aren't we all impressed ... g http://cdn-ugc.cafemom.com/gen/constrain/500/500/80/2014/10/31/12/76/xz/pohi wdpgkk.jpg I do find some of Bushman's patents rather amazing -perhaps way ahead of his time. https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=ininventor:%22Boyd+B.+Bu shman%22#q=ininventor%3A%22Boyd+B.+Bushman%22hl=entbm=ptsstart=10 OTOH, there are far fewer distinct patents than he claims, but most problematic is the alien which he apparently has been led to believe is real... http://cdn-ugc.cafemom.com/gen/constrain/500/500/80/2014/10/31/12/76/xz/pohi wdpgkk.jpg K-Mart sold these as toys as far back as 1997. The resemblance to Bushman's alien is striking. Maybe Boyd or someone else designed the toy which was sold at K-Mart ... or maybe a few of the younger guys that he worked with at LM, for a laugh ... were feeding the gullible old fart this kind of crapola all along- and he fell for it bigtime. There is no fool like and old fool ... (spoken by an oldster who tries to keep an open mind about all the alien bogosity that is floating around cyberspace... ... but who believes that if there is anything real to it - and there is - that what we are talking about is a non-physical meme reality, which could be transmitted from elsewhere in space-time, but has no concrete reality in our 3-space)... Nothing is more real than a closely held belief, even one which is objectively false... how else can you explain the phenomenon of the suicide bomber and the 72 virgins (or was it 42)? Jones
Re: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
I do not consider this to be an area of deductive reasoning because we cannot expect the guvmint to just open up their hangar 18 or whatever and show us what they got so we can deduce for ourselves. Therefore, that makes this an area of INductive reasoning rather than DEductive reasoning. The difference is similar to the difference between criminal and civil law--the burden of proof for a criminal case is beyond a reasonable doubt whereas the burden in a civil case is preponderance of the evidence In the case of UFOs, the preponderance of the evidence is very strongly on the side of flying saucers being secret weapons from the tail end of WWII. The very best book on UFOs is this one (and I've read dozens of books on UFOs): http://www.amazon.com/Intercept-UFO-Story-Flying-Saucers/dp/0523008406/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1414871213sr=8-1keywords=renato+vesco+%22intercept+ufo%22 I have noticed that the vast majority of people who believe in the ExtraTerrestrial hypothesis will not lift a finger to check out opposing evidence such as Renato Vesco's book. Such philosophical intransigence turns this inductive area of inquiry into something more like a religious discussion. On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Kevin, ***I'm in the first category. A place to start https://www.google.com/search?site=source=hpq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedoq=%22chariots+of+the+gods%22+debunkedgs_l=hp.3..0.2626.11049.0.11245.33.33.0.0.0.0.267.3634.13j16j3.32.00...1c.1.58.hp..4.29.3229.0.F-v4djhiG2Q Looks like my hard drive restoration onto a brand new 2TB Segate hard drive was successful. It was, however, a bumpy ride. Lots of colorful swearing on my part. I suspect at one point during the restoration procedure I did not properly ground myself when I inadvertently touched the motherboard. It caused a 3.5 hour restoration procedure to fail with only 6 minutes left to complete. I had to start from scratch again. Wasn't too happy about that. :-0 Daniken does give me the impression that he is a skilled bullshit artist who knows how to sell books. Perhaps some of his ideas are interesting if not taken to extremes. On the other side of the fence there are debunkers like the late Philip Klass and James Randi. When it comes to the matter of UFO investigation these two individuals seem inept at actually following the principals of the deductive reasoning. On a related matter, I recall Randi, after attending what I believe was an APS conference held in Baltimore where Pons and Fleishman were interviewed, Randi gave a nudge, nudge, wink, wink to Carl Sagan who was also in attendance. Apparently Randy walked away convinced that the whole cold fusion matter was bullshit, just after listening to a few questions that had been directed at PF from the audience. Randi didn't like the way PF occasionally prefaced some of their replies with: Well. that's a very good question. From Randi's POV that obviously meant these two chemists had to be incompetent because from Randi's POV they were incapable of answering the skeptic's questions. From Randi POV if they were constantly being reduced to prefacing their responses in such a manner it meant they didn't know what they were doing. From my POV, it's a classic case of how a magician perceives how most people act: from slight-of-hand, deflection deceit. Case closed! Apparently, it didn't take Randi very much deductive reasoning to make up his mind on the CF matter. As purveyors who claim to follow the process of deductive reasoning, I think they give the process a black eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BemTGkjl6U Fascinating. Live long and prosper. ... \\V/ Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
From Robert: Another YouTube link to the same video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTXHw1mZD4. Thanks, Robert. I watched the video. Indeed, fascinating. I know of no way how to authenticate Boyd's story. It seems plausible as stories go, but it's all here-say. As always: Photoshop is your friend. I can only conjecture the following personally eccentric opinions. They are based on watching a You Tube video, with no other evidence in my possession. Assuming Boyd is telling the truth, as he understands the truth... I am struck not by the physical dissimilarities we appear have with these aliens that Boyd shows us in his private collection of photos. I'm struck by the remarkable similarities. They possess two eyes, a nose and a mouth in the same locations as ours. They possess five fingers and a thumb on each arm and in the same positions as ours. They also possess five toes each on two legs in remarkably the same locations as ours. What are the odds that this would happen in Nature, assuming these aliens had independently evolved on another planet more than 60 light years distant from ours? Again, let me repeat: FIVE DIGITS on a hand where of them is obviously a THUMB in pretty close the same position as the physiological architecture of our own hand. Shoot! These alien hands are no more alien looking that if we were to compare our own hand to that of a monkey or chimpanzee. If Boyd's photos are authentic, and that is obviously a stretch one has to make here, I can only conjecture that we are being visited by distant relatives. If that is the case, I could certainly understand why some visitors might possess some anthropological interest in visiting our primitive planet. I have conjectured this before, but I'll say it again: I suspect there has likely been cross-pollination going on since this planet first became habitable to carbon based life forms. Before that, when the environment was a little hotter, perhaps silicon based life forms as well. Changing the subject, I wonder if some of our distant relatives have tasted Kobe beef. I hear it's out of this world. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
That toy is most definitively the thing in that photo. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Wow! Aren't we all impressed ... g http://cdn-ugc.cafemom.com/gen/constrain/500/500/80/2014/10/31/12/76/xz/pohi wdpgkk.jpg I do find some of Bushman's patents rather amazing -perhaps way ahead of his time. https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=ininventor:%22Boyd+B.+Bu shman%22#q=ininventor%3A%22Boyd+B.+Bushman%22hl=entbm=ptsstart=10 OTOH, there are far fewer distinct patents than he claims, but most problematic is the alien which he apparently has been led to believe is real... http://cdn-ugc.cafemom.com/gen/constrain/500/500/80/2014/10/31/12/76/xz/pohi wdpgkk.jpg K-Mart sold these as toys as far back as 1997. The resemblance to Bushman's alien is striking. Maybe Boyd or someone else designed the toy which was sold at K-Mart ... or maybe a few of the younger guys that he worked with at LM, for a laugh ... were feeding the gullible old fart this kind of crapola all along- and he fell for it bigtime. There is no fool like and old fool ... (spoken by an oldster who tries to keep an open mind about all the alien bogosity that is floating around cyberspace... ... but who believes that if there is anything real to it - and there is - that what we are talking about is a non-physical meme reality, which could be transmitted from elsewhere in space-time, but has no concrete reality in our 3-space)... Nothing is more real than a closely held belief, even one which is objectively false... how else can you explain the phenomenon of the suicide bomber and the 72 virgins (or was it 42)? Jones
RE: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
That toy is most definitively the thing in that photo. http://cdn-ugc.cafemom.com/gen/constrain/500/500/80/2014/10/31/12/76/xz/pohi wdpgkk.jpg Yup. Looks like a pretty good match to me too. But then, there's always the counter argument. You know... the argument where the toy manufacturer was influenced to create this particular alien model in order to generate disinformation. It's been done before. Agents seed a secret aircraft crash location with bogus scraps of other known aircraft parts in order to throw investigators off the track. So again, who knows. As for me. I'm not betting on this being authentic. But then, perhaps the disinformation campaign was successful. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
I have spoken to Boyd on the phone and I have interest in a few of his patents and I believe they are genuinely exposing the nature of hidden physics (the Aether). And I believe in aliens visiting earth... But the resemblance is too spot on unless the toy was based on that exact photo. Unless of course every alien of the species is an identical clone and the toy is a remarkably perfect detailed recreation in every minute detail of this identical clone race right down to the colouring, look on the face, degree the eyes are open. My suspension of belief doesn't stretch THAT far, and I give it regular workouts. John On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: That toy is most definitively the thing in that photo. http://cdn-ugc.cafemom.com/gen/constrain/500/500/80/2014/10/31/12/76/xz/pohi wdpgkk.jpg Yup. Looks like a pretty good match to me too. But then, there's always the counter argument. You know... the argument where the toy manufacturer was influenced to create this particular alien model in order to generate disinformation. It's been done before. Agents seed a secret aircraft crash location with bogus scraps of other known aircraft parts in order to throw investigators off the track. So again, who knows. As for me. I'm not betting on this being authentic. But then, perhaps the disinformation campaign was successful. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
Its a slow day... why not talk top secret aliens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLkcM-bpdiA I see a parallel between Mr. Bushman and Rossi.. Both speak with conviction, appear rational, and attempt to provide proof. More links: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/engineer-claims-conversation-aliens-article-1.1989891 - Brad
Re: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
I enjoy the general spirit of this tangent, and encourage it, but I think comparisons w/ Rossi don't make any real sense beyond the fact both topics are still considered fringe. On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: Its a slow day... why not talk top secret aliens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLkcM-bpdiA I see a parallel between Mr. Bushman and Rossi.. Both speak with conviction, appear rational, and attempt to provide proof. More links: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/engineer-claims-conversation-aliens-article-1.1989891 - Brad
Re: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: Its a slow day... why not talk top secret aliens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLkcM-bpdiA This looks a lot like disinfo. Maybe SVJ can give his opin.
RE: [Vo]:OT: Boyd Bushman discusses aliens and offers photographic proof
Terry sez: This looks a lot like disinfo. Maybe SVJ can give his opin. Yeah... who knows. ;-) Sorry, I've been a bit distracted lately. My secondary data hard drive abruptly died last night - no warning. As we speak I'm in the process of restoring a backup on a new SATA drive purchased from Best Buy. I'm also passing out candy to hoards of tiny little biped creatures. I give them candy and they go away. Some look like aliens, so who knows. ... Oh, and I'm also preparing to retire in 8 weeks - not that I'm counting. The You Tube link doesn't work for me. Looks like there has been a copyright violation and YT took it off-line. Bummer. I honestly can't say much about this particular UFO/Alien matter. As far as credibility goes my closest contact to a human who claimed to have seen a dead alien was when I managed to have a private conversation with the late Philip Corso. I was lucky enough to have flown out of Roswell back in 1997 after the completion of 50th anniversary of the Roswell UFO crash festival. We nattered a bit and he let me take a couple of photos of him gazing thoughtfully out the airplane window. He was quite an affable fellow. He enjoyed the limelight. Around the time of the alleged Roswell incident Corso claimed to have seen a dead alien body in a box filled with some blue liquid. He peeked under the lid of a crate and apparently saw something that made an impression on him. The late Strom Thurmond wrote a brief introduction to Corso's book on the Roswell incident before he fully understood what his old war buddy was going to talk about. When it was published Thurmond's senate office immediately demanded that Strom's endorsement be removed in successive editions. Fortunately, I have the 1st edition. When I read Strom's intro it's obvious to me that Strom didn't have a clue as to what Corso was going to talk about. I think he just wanted to give his o'l buddy a good send off. Well, they're both dead now. They probably know a lot more than we do now, including the possibility that they are slapping their knees in laughter. As for me, I don't have a problem speculating we may be occasionally visited by anthropologists doing their thesis on primitive biped simians. Perhaps others occasionally drop by for no other reason than that they like to dine on exotic bush meat... cattle. I wonder what the galactic restaurant star rating is for our backwater's planet. (** stars) Mostly harmless, but don't drink the water. Actually, these days I seem to be more interested in studying two different classifications of biped simians: (1) those who remain stalwart in their belief that their own species has never been visited, and (2) those who believe our species has been visited by aliens, such as from the Ashtar Command. http://www.ashtarcommand.org/ It's different types of belief structures for which we biped simians stalwartly adhere to that can occasionally fascinate me. my two cents Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
