Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Chase Peterson dies
Dear Terry, can you explain how was this possible: The whole bloody fiasco probably set back CF 30 years. As you probably know (I hope you are reading my Blog, I hope) i have an alternative explanation- the first discovered variant of LENR is not viable and we have to investigate better variants If you don't like the idea just forget iy. Peter On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Was he instrumental in releasing FP finding to the Press? In the chapter I uploaded, he said no: Fleischmann reportedly said (for reasons never clear) that the University of Utah had required the two investigators to go public when they did. When I subsequently asked for clarification from the relevant university office, people there clearly stated that their policy was to honor all faculty requests with respect to publication and announcement, not initiate them. It meant a lot to the university to be the first to announce. From: http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html In their defense, Pons and Fleischmann explained that they couldn't reveal all the details because the University of Utah's patent had not yet been approved. They admitted that the press conference had been premature, but claimed the University had urged them to go public when another scientist - a physicist named Steve Jones - turned out to be pursuing similar work. Jones later became one of FP's greatest antagonists. The whole bloody fiasco probably set back CF 30 years. Sour grapes indeed. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Chase Peterson dies
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Terry, can you explain how was this possible: The whole bloody fiasco probably set back CF 30 years. As you probably know (I hope you are reading my Blog, I hope) i have an alternative explanation- the first discovered variant of LENR is not viable and we have to investigate better variants If you don't like the idea just forget iy. Peter The ensuing feeding frenzy halted the very investigation of which you speak. Dr. Storms said it best in the next paragraph of the article I referenced: These excuses weren't well received. Conventional science requires you to play by certain rules, comments cold fusionist Edmund Storms. First, thou shalt not announce thy results via a press conference. Second, thou shalt not exaggerate the results. Third, thou shalt tell other scientists precisely what thou did. They broke all of those rules. end quote As flawed as our present method of scientific verification is, the actions by the university ensured that true verification could not happen. Everyone with a piece of Pd and some heavy water on hand threw together a test cell. The initial reports of a false positive by my own alma mater are a perfect example of the sloppy science resulting from using the public media to make a monumental announcement. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/14/us/georgia-tech-team-reports-flaw-in-critical-experiment-on-fusion.html The thrill and following disenchantment devastated me personally. It was not until a brilliant and kind gentleman by the name of Chris Tinsley responded to a comment I made as a forum manager on CompuServe (the nascent internet), questioning my dismissal of CF that I opened my mind again. Are you sure they were wrong? Why not find out for yourself by joining Vortex-l? Who knows. Had greed not caused disclosure through the press and FP followed the normal scientific process of silent verification, where might we be today? We know what happened; but, who is to say what might have happened if those two electrochemists had a few nuclear physicists to back them? Or anyone other themselves? In my opinion, we would be better off today. But, maybe not. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Was he instrumental in releasing FP finding to the Press? In the chapter I uploaded, he said no: Fleischmann reportedly said (for reasons never clear) that the University of Utah had required the two investigators to go public when they did. When I subsequently asked for clarification from the relevant university office, people there clearly stated that their policy was to honor all faculty requests with respect to publication and announcement, not initiate them. It meant a lot to the university to be the first to announce. From: http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html In their defense, Pons and Fleischmann explained that they couldn't reveal all the details because the University of Utah's patent had not yet been approved. They admitted that the press conference had been premature, but claimed the University had urged them to go public when another scientist - a physicist named Steve Jones - turned out to be pursuing similar work. Jones later became one of FP's greatest antagonists. The whole bloody fiasco probably set back CF 30 years. Sour grapes indeed. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Chase Peterson dies
OK, dear Terry there were very harming outer circumstances bad strategy, communication, sins, bad luck. However what really made the trouble (trouble = is a problem you cannot solve)- weakness, unreliabily ephemerity of excess heat, Incurable in the cradle cell) Thank you for remembering Chris Tinsley, he was a good frioend we have traveled together to Kishinev, Moldova to inventor Yuri Potapov. Chris, Gene and Jed formed one of the fisrt nuclei of CF Resistence and promotion. Chris has brought Arthur C. Clarke to help CF. He was wise and nice. Quote: Cold fusion is to hot fusion what biochemistry is to chemistry He died so young! Peter On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Terry, can you explain how was this possible: The whole bloody fiasco probably set back CF 30 years. As you probably know (I hope you are reading my Blog, I hope) i have an alternative explanation- the first discovered variant of LENR is not viable and we have to investigate better variants If you don't like the idea just forget iy. Peter The ensuing feeding frenzy halted the very investigation of which you speak. Dr. Storms said it best in the next paragraph of the article I referenced: These excuses weren't well received. Conventional science requires you to play by certain rules, comments cold fusionist Edmund Storms. First, thou shalt not announce thy results via a press conference. Second, thou shalt not exaggerate the results. Third, thou shalt tell other scientists precisely what thou did. They broke all of those rules. end quote As flawed as our present method of scientific verification is, the actions by the university ensured that true verification could not happen. Everyone with a piece of Pd and some heavy water on hand threw together a test cell. The initial reports of a false positive by my own alma mater are a perfect example of the sloppy science resulting from using the public media to make a monumental announcement. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/14/us/georgia-tech-team-reports-flaw-in-critical-experiment-on-fusion.html The thrill and following disenchantment devastated me personally. It was not until a brilliant and kind gentleman by the name of Chris Tinsley responded to a comment I made as a forum manager on CompuServe (the nascent internet), questioning my dismissal of CF that I opened my mind again. Are you sure they were wrong? Why not find out for yourself by joining Vortex-l? Who knows. Had greed not caused disclosure through the press and FP followed the normal scientific process of silent verification, where might we be today? We know what happened; but, who is to say what might have happened if those two electrochemists had a few nuclear physicists to back them? Or anyone other themselves? In my opinion, we would be better off today. But, maybe not. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Was he instrumental in releasing FP finding to the Press? In the chapter I uploaded, he said no: Fleischmann reportedly said (for reasons never clear) that the University of Utah had required the two investigators to go public when they did. When I subsequently asked for clarification from the relevant university office, people there clearly stated that their policy was to honor all faculty requests with respect to publication and announcement, not initiate them. It meant a lot to the university to be the first to announce. From: http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html In their defense, Pons and Fleischmann explained that they couldn't reveal all the details because the University of Utah's patent had not yet been approved. They admitted that the press conference had been premature, but claimed the University had urged them to go public when another scientist - a physicist named Steve Jones - turned out to be pursuing similar work. Jones later became one of FP's greatest antagonists. The whole bloody fiasco probably set back CF 30 years. Sour grapes indeed. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Chase Peterson dies
Was he instrumental in releasing FP finding to the Press? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Chase Peterson dies Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 4:57 PM Chase Peterson, who was the President of University of Utah in 1989, died on September 14, 2014. See: http://infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue118/chase.html Here is most of chapter 12 of his book, which is the chapter about cold fusion: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PetersonCtheguardia.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Chase Peterson dies
hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Was he instrumental in releasing FP finding to the Press? In the chapter I uploaded, he said no: Fleischmann reportedly said (for reasons never clear) that the University of Utah had required the two investigators to go public when they did. When I subsequently asked for clarification from the relevant university office, people there clearly stated that their policy was to honor all faculty requests with respect to publication and announcement, not initiate them. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Chase Peterson dies
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Was he instrumental in releasing FP finding to the Press? In the chapter I uploaded, he said no: Fleischmann reportedly said (for reasons never clear) that the University of Utah had required the two investigators to go public when they did. When I subsequently asked for clarification from the relevant university office, people there clearly stated that their policy was to honor all faculty requests with respect to publication and announcement, not initiate them. It meant a lot to the university to be the first to announce. From: http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html In their defense, Pons and Fleischmann explained that they couldn't reveal all the details because the University of Utah's patent had not yet been approved. They admitted that the press conference had been premature, but claimed the University had urged them to go public when another scientist - a physicist named Steve Jones - turned out to be pursuing similar work. Jones later became one of FP's greatest antagonists. The whole bloody fiasco probably set back CF 30 years. Sour grapes indeed.
