[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

2016-12-04 Thread H LV 
That makes practical sense, although approximations can sometimes result in
models that deviate significantly from reality. Remember when I used a
simplified mathematical model of a pendulum to design a perpetual motion
machine?

Harry

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence  wrote:

> Re: Lighter materials migrating to where the gravity is lower:  It doesn't
> work that way.  A pingpong ball on the surface has no way of knowing that
> 1000 miles down it would be lighter.
>
> What migrates up, and what migrates down, depends only on the local
> gravitational field, and the relative densities of the items in question.
> Locally, over the regions where convection is actually sorting things out,
> the strength of gravity can be considered to be constant.
>
> Convection, just like the buoyancy force, is due to differential pressure
> on the bottom and top of an object.  When we're dealing with tiny objects,
> the differential pressure is due essentially entirely to the density of
> other "stuff" around the object, which results in increasing pressure with
> depth.  Again, on the scales which are relevant to sorting molecules, fine
> particles, tiny bubbles, etc, gravity can be treated as constant.
>
>
> On 12/03/2016 11:21 AM, H LV wrote:
>
>
> Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if
> gravity is lowest at the centre?
>
> Harry​
>
>
> New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion years ago
> October 7, 2015
> http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>> Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core
>>
>> http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37740
>>
>> <> not yet been determined. Some research groups have proposed that the heat
>> is supplied by radioactive decay or by a nuclear georeactor. Here we
>> postulate that the generation of heat is the result of three-body nuclear
>> fusion of deuterons confined in hexagonal FeDx core-centre crystals>>
>>
>> Harry
>>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

2016-12-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence 
Re: Lighter materials migrating to where the gravity is lower:  It 
doesn't work that way.  A pingpong ball on the surface has no way of 
knowing that 1000 miles down it would be lighter.


What migrates up, and what migrates down, depends only on the local 
gravitational field, and the relative densities of the items in 
question.  Locally, over the regions where convection is actually 
sorting things out, the strength of gravity can be considered to be 
constant.


Convection, just like the buoyancy force, is due to differential 
pressure on the bottom and top of an object.  When we're dealing with 
tiny objects, the differential pressure is due essentially entirely to 
the density of other "stuff" around the object, which results in 
increasing pressure with depth.  Again, on the scales which are relevant 
to sorting molecules, fine particles, tiny bubbles, etc, gravity can be 
treated as constant.



On 12/03/2016 11:21 AM, H LV wrote:


Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the 
Earth if gravity is lowest at the centre?


Harry​


New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion 
years ago

October 7, 2015
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM, H LV > wrote:


Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37740


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Harry

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

2016-12-03 Thread Brian Ahern 
The radial force of gravity at the surface will amplify the force per unit area 
as the radial location decreases towards the center. The force/unit area will 
be integrated as a function of R.



From: bobcook39...@gmail.com <bobcook39...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:42 PM
To: H LV; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in 
Earth’s inner core


Harry—



That’s a good question.  I have never seen a model that considers the actual 
gravitational field experienced throughout the earth resulting in the increased 
pressures with depth to the center and thereabouts.  At first glance it would 
seem that radial forces would go to zero which by definition is no pressure.   
Thus it would seem that the radial force would increase along the radius until 
it reached a maximum at some depth below the surface and then, deceased to zero 
again in space  beyond earth’s influence.



I am interested in any analysis that gives a high pressure at the center.  I 
would think that dense particles in a liquid that allows settling would tend to 
move along the gravitational field unless atomic and molecular forces become 
more dominant and somehow hold heavy atoms in a lighter lattice at some radius 
above the origin—center.   Does any Vort know of an answer?



Bob Cook















: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in 
Earth’s inner core



Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if 
gravity is lowest at the centre?



Harry


New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion years ago
October 7, 2015
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html



On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM, H LV 
<hveeder...@gmail.com<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37740

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Harry

RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

2016-12-03 Thread bobcook39923 
YES,YES,YES!   Scientific American should follow on Natures heals, as will 
other related publishers within the establishment’s  publishing cult.

Bob Cook

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From: Russ George
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion 
in Earth’s inner core

What a delight to see this new paper. So the Journal Nature has now come around 
from its flagrant condemnation and ridicule of all things cold fusion to 
publishing about it being the source of heat in the inner Earth (and other 
planets of course). I can testify that I engaged in a discussion of this very 
mechanism with Martin Fleischmann at the very first meeting on cold fusion 
while he and Giuliani Preparata and I shared a bottle of wine to cool our 
tempers if not our passion. Here’s a link to my blog post about my late 
friends, 
http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2015/09/04/guilliano-martin-john-now-richard/
 . The dastardly pundits at Nature deserve a special place in hell for their 
avaricious dogmatic approach to discovery of the mysteries of Nature. I am 
quite sure Maddox is occupying a well-deserved spit there now. The great 
tragedy of science is that most of the community behave like gentlemen but of 
course being the real substance of the stew of knowledge they are not what 
floats to the top, what floats is the scum and there is no greater repository 
of the scum and shysters of Science than the editors and publishers and owners 
of the Journal Nature. 

Within the microcosm of the ecology of atoms the Earthly core conditions 
described in this paper are not at all uncommon. That is why cold fusion is and 
always has and will be a principal part of behavior of hydrogen in nature.

From: H LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in 
Earth’s inner core


Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if 
gravity is lowest at the centre?

Harry​


New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion years ago
October 7, 2015
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37740

<>

Harry

RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

2016-12-03 Thread bobcook39923 
Harry—

That’s a good question.  I have never seen a model that considers the actual 
gravitational field experienced throughout the earth resulting in the increased 
pressures with depth to the center and thereabouts.  At first glance it would 
seem that radial forces would go to zero which by definition is no pressure.   
Thus it would seem that the radial force would increase along the radius until 
it reached a maximum at some depth below the surface and then, deceased to zero 
again in space  beyond earth’s influence.  

I am interested in any analysis that gives a high pressure at the center.  I 
would think that dense particles in a liquid that allows settling would tend to 
move along the gravitational field unless atomic and molecular forces become 
more dominant and somehow hold heavy atoms in a lighter lattice at some radius 
above the origin—center.   Does any Vort know of an answer?

Bob Cook







: H LV
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in 
Earth’s inner core


Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if 
gravity is lowest at the centre?

Harry​


New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion years ago
October 7, 2015
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37740

<>

Harry

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

2016-12-03 Thread David Roberson 
It is refreshing to see this crowd finally beginning to see the light. This 
recent conversion experience does not however relieve them of their previous 
guilt.  I understand why you harbor your feelings towards them, but at least 
now LENR might begin to get the attention that it deserves.

Thanks Russ for your continuing efforts in this area and one day I hope and 
expect to see them pay off.

Dave

 

 

 

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From: Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2016 11:58 am
Subject: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion 
in Earth’s inner core



What a delight to see this new paper. So the Journal Nature has now come around 
from its flagrant condemnation and ridicule of all things cold fusion to 
publishing about it being the source of heat in the inner Earth (and other 
planets of course). I can testify that I engaged in a discussion of this very 
mechanism with Martin Fleischmann at the very first meeting on cold fusion 
while he and Giuliani Preparata and I shared a bottle of wine to cool our 
tempers if not our passion. Here’s a link to my blog post about my late 
friends, 
http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2015/09/04/guilliano-martin-john-now-richard/
 . The dastardly pundits at Nature deserve a special place in hell for their 
avaricious dogmatic approach to discovery of the mysteries of Nature. I am 
quite sure Maddox is occupying a well-deserved spit there now. The great 
tragedy of science is that most of the community behave like gentlemen but of 
course being the real substance of the stew of knowledge they are not what 
floats to the top, what floats is the scum and there is no greater repository 
of the scum and shysters of Science than the editors and publishers and owners 
of the Journal Nature. 
 
Within the microcosm of the ecology of atoms the Earthly core conditions 
described in this paper are not at all uncommon. That is why cold fusion is and 
always has and will be a principal part of behavior of hydrogen in nature.
 
From: H LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in 
Earth’s inner core
 


Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if 
gravity is lowest at the centre?

 

Harry​



New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion years ago
October 7, 2015
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html

 

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:


Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37740

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Harry

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

2016-12-03 Thread Russ George 
What a delight to see this new paper. So the Journal Nature has now come around 
from its flagrant condemnation and ridicule of all things cold fusion to 
publishing about it being the source of heat in the inner Earth (and other 
planets of course). I can testify that I engaged in a discussion of this very 
mechanism with Martin Fleischmann at the very first meeting on cold fusion 
while he and Giuliani Preparata and I shared a bottle of wine to cool our 
tempers if not our passion. Here’s a link to my blog post about my late 
friends, 
http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2015/09/04/guilliano-martin-john-now-richard/
 . The dastardly pundits at Nature deserve a special place in hell for their 
avaricious dogmatic approach to discovery of the mysteries of Nature. I am 
quite sure Maddox is occupying a well-deserved spit there now. The great 
tragedy of science is that most of the community behave like gentlemen but of 
course being the real substance of the stew of knowledge they are not what 
floats to the top, what floats is the scum and there is no greater repository 
of the scum and shysters of Science than the editors and publishers and owners 
of the Journal Nature. 

 

Within the microcosm of the ecology of atoms the Earthly core conditions 
described in this paper are not at all uncommon. That is why cold fusion is and 
always has and will be a principal part of behavior of hydrogen in nature.

 

From: H LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in 
Earth’s inner core

 


Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if 
gravity is lowest at the centre?

 

Harry​



New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion years ago
October 7, 2015
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html

 

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com 
<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37740

<>

 

Harry