RE: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Russ George]

OK having watch Bob’s great video I finally get it. The rad burst was from 
segment 7 in a series of data collections. It represents a few minutes of 
collecting and shows a clear signal… the rest of the many similar time slices 
of rad data before and after show no such anomaly. End of story, well 
controlled, very clear signal, anomalous for sure, in total not a lot of events 
relative to joules/watts of nuclear reaction.

 

This further seems to fit well with the Cellani observation of a few years ago 
with a Rossi demo… so two events are now starting to make a story. There is no 
longer a question that lenr is without dangerous radiation, it most certainly 
has an abundance of same. Build a large unshielded e-cat in your garage and 
irradiate the neighborhood.

 

From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 9:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

 

I looked at the math again.  The 5 uS was for the full 4pi steradians.  It 
would be more like 0.4 uS for 1 steradian.  A person would have to be really 
chubby or really close to subtend 1 steradian.

 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com 
<mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

>From the signal pulse, I estimate about 5 micro-Sieverts (uS) per steradian.  
>So, it depends on how close you were.

 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does this 
infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that person is 
both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source, and has a 
long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would seem likely the 
‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than what the detector 
has recorded. 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Russ George]

This is helpful as the context of this experiments radiation measurement seems 
to be much less than the radiation needed to expose/fog a single dental x-ray 
film. It’s the digital/digitized equivalent of such. Clearly no danger to 
humans in the vicinity. Given that a single joule/watt of fusion is ~e12/sec 
D+D events here we might see evidence of a long time cumulative rate that comes 
from an impossibly small fraction of a single joule of cold fusion. The devil 
once again seems to be revealed in the details. 

 

From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 9:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

 

I looked at the math again.  The 5 uS was for the full 4pi steradians.  It 
would be more like 0.4 uS for 1 steradian.  A person would have to be really 
chubby or really close to subtend 1 steradian.

 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com 
<mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

>From the signal pulse, I estimate about 5 micro-Sieverts (uS) per steradian.  
>So, it depends on how close you were.

 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does this 
infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that person is 
both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source, and has a 
long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would seem likely the 
‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than what the detector 
has recorded. 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Bob Higgins]

I looked at the math again.  The 5 uS was for the full 4pi steradians.  It
would be more like 0.4 uS for 1 steradian.  A person would have to be
really chubby or really close to subtend 1 steradian.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> From the signal pulse, I estimate about 5 micro-Sieverts (uS) per
> steradian.  So, it depends on how close you were.
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Russ George 
> wrote:
>
>> If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does
>> this infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that
>> person is both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source,
>> and has a long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would
>> seem likely the ‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than
>> what the detector has recorded.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Axil Axil]

Like any alpha emitter, they are exceedingly dangerous if they are taken
inside the body by drinking or breathing. When inside the body, there is no
protection provided by the skin.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Ludwik Kowalski <
kowals...@mail.montclair.edu> wrote:

> Typical alpha particles do not penetrate human skin.
>
> Ludwik
> 
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Russ George wrote:
>
> HRM … hmmm… So if hrm passes through glass what will happen when it enters
> some other matter, say metals… will the alpha’s suddenly be released? If so
> will they reveal themselves via alpha knock-on emissions?
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 3:01 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>
>
>
> I believe that the Hydrogen Rydberg Matter (HRM) can escape the reactor by
> penetrating glass or hot alumina. If this stuff gets into the lungs, it
> could produce nuclear reactions inside the body and produce 10s of
> thousands of alpha particles as a by-product.
>
>
>
> John Fisher has seen such particles ascending in the steam produced by an
> open cell. That particle produced thousands of alpha particles,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Mark Jurich <jur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ:
>
>
>
>I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this
> experiment, very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m not talking
> about Alan, here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even realize
> he got irradiated until the analysis, weeks later ... He’s resting, not
> because of the apparent irradiation, but because he didn’t get much sleep
> during the experiment.  I think the dose estimate was something like this
> ... A few minutes after the event, he received more radiation from the
> Natural Radiation Background than all that was currently estimated during
> the supposed burst...
>
>
>
> I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM
>
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>
>
>
> If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does
> this infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that
> person is both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source,
> and has a long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would
> seem likely the ‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than
> what the detector has recorded.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Ludwik Kowalski]

P.S. 

Alpha particles from radioactive substances have energies below 8 MeV (range in 
air is about 7 cm)
Range of a typical alpha particles (say 6 MeV) is 5cm in air (about 2 inches).

Ludwik
==


On Feb 26, 2016, at 10:46 PM, Ludwik Kowalski wrote:

> Typical alpha particles do not penetrate human skin.
> 
> Ludwik
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 26, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Russ George wrote:
> 
>> HRM … hmmm… So if hrm passes through glass what will happen when it enters 
>> some other matter, say metals… will the alpha’s suddenly be released? If so 
>> will they reveal themselves via alpha knock-on emissions?
>>  
>> From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 3:01 PM
>> To: vortex-l
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>>  
>> I believe that the Hydrogen Rydberg Matter (HRM) can escape the reactor by 
>> penetrating glass or hot alumina. If this stuff gets into the lungs, it 
>> could produce nuclear reactions inside the body and produce 10s of thousands 
>> of alpha particles as a by-product. 
>>  
>> John Fisher has seen such particles ascending in the steam produced by an 
>> open cell. That particle produced thousands of alpha particles,
>>  
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Mark Jurich <jur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Russ:
>>  
>>I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this 
>> experiment, very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m not talking 
>> about Alan, here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even realize 
>> he got irradiated until the analysis, weeks later ... He’s resting, not 
>> because of the apparent irradiation, but because he didn’t get much sleep 
>> during the experiment.  I think the dose estimate was something like this 
>> ... A few minutes after the event, he received more radiation from the 
>> Natural Radiation Background than all that was currently estimated during 
>> the supposed burst...
>>  
>> I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.
>>   
>>  
>> From: Russ George
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Subject: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>>  
>> If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does 
>> this infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that 
>> person is both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source, 
>> and has a long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would 
>> seem likely the ‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than 
>> what the detector has recorded.
>>  
> 

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Ludwik Kowalski]

Typical alpha particles do not penetrate human skin.

Ludwik



On Feb 26, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Russ George wrote:

> HRM … hmmm… So if hrm passes through glass what will happen when it enters 
> some other matter, say metals… will the alpha’s suddenly be released? If so 
> will they reveal themselves via alpha knock-on emissions?
>  
> From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 3:01 PM
> To: vortex-l
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>  
> I believe that the Hydrogen Rydberg Matter (HRM) can escape the reactor by 
> penetrating glass or hot alumina. If this stuff gets into the lungs, it could 
> produce nuclear reactions inside the body and produce 10s of thousands of 
> alpha particles as a by-product. 
>  
> John Fisher has seen such particles ascending in the steam produced by an 
> open cell. That particle produced thousands of alpha particles,
>  
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Mark Jurich <jur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Russ:
>  
>I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this 
> experiment, very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m not talking 
> about Alan, here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even realize he 
> got irradiated until the analysis, weeks later ... He’s resting, not because 
> of the apparent irradiation, but because he didn’t get much sleep during the 
> experiment.  I think the dose estimate was something like this ... A few 
> minutes after the event, he received more radiation from the Natural 
> Radiation Background than all that was currently estimated during the 
> supposed burst...
>  
> I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.
>   
>  
> From: Russ George
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>  
> If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does this 
> infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that person is 
> both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source, and has a 
> long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would seem likely 
> the ‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than what the 
> detector has recorded.
>  

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Axil Axil]

The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic
experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water
outside of the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell
operation, water on the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started
loosing its transparency.

Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained
transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water,
removed from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No
such radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24
hours. Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water
transparency with other electrolytes, and under different electrical
discharge conditions, were not successful. But the effect was highly
reproducible when experimenting with the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell
and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% of heavy water.

[image: Thumbnail]
<http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/341fig1.jpg>

That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor
shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling
water on the left side is close to the cathode. The disappearance of
bubbles, after the electrolysis, was very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs).
Attempts to explain the phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other
ultrasonic effects, were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation
was possible within the framework of the erzion model. Authors believe that
bubbles are produced through the action of neutral Erzions.

The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic based Exotic
Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass container is transparent to
the magnetically based ENPs both optically and magnetically. The LENR
reaction that keeps the ENPs viable produce the vapor that forms the water
bubbles. The ENPs become energetically self sufficient in the water of the
cooling pool where the ENPs remain viable for hours.

If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs, an iron
plate placed just on the outside of the glass wall adjacent to the anode
would prevent the ENPs from exiting the glass electrolytic cell. With the
ENPs blocked from travel, bubble production would be eliminated.


The Erzons could be HRM.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> HRM … hmmm… So if hrm passes through glass what will happen when it enters
> some other matter, say metals… will the alpha’s suddenly be released? If so
> will they reveal themselves via alpha knock-on emissions?
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 3:01 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>
>
>
> I believe that the Hydrogen Rydberg Matter (HRM) can escape the reactor by
> penetrating glass or hot alumina. If this stuff gets into the lungs, it
> could produce nuclear reactions inside the body and produce 10s of
> thousands of alpha particles as a by-product.
>
>
>
> John Fisher has seen such particles ascending in the steam produced by an
> open cell. That particle produced thousands of alpha particles,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Mark Jurich <jur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ:
>
>
>
>I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this
> experiment, very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m not talking
> about Alan, here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even realize
> he got irradiated until the analysis, weeks later ... He’s resting, not
> because of the apparent irradiation, but because he didn’t get much sleep
> during the experiment.  I think the dose estimate was something like this
> ... A few minutes after the event, he received more radiation from the
> Natural Radiation Background than all that was currently estimated during
> the supposed burst...
>
>
>
> I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM
>
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>
>
>
> If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does
> this infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that
> person is both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source,
> and has a long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would
> seem likely the ‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than
> what the detector has recorded.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Bob Higgins]

>From the signal pulse, I estimate about 5 micro-Sieverts (uS) per
steradian.  So, it depends on how close you were.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does
> this infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that
> person is both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source,
> and has a long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would
> seem likely the ‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than
> what the detector has recorded.
>

RE: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Russ George]

HRM … hmmm… So if hrm passes through glass what will happen when it enters some 
other matter, say metals… will the alpha’s suddenly be released? If so will 
they reveal themselves via alpha knock-on emissions?

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 3:01 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

 

I believe that the Hydrogen Rydberg Matter (HRM) can escape the reactor by 
penetrating glass or hot alumina. If this stuff gets into the lungs, it could 
produce nuclear reactions inside the body and produce 10s of thousands of alpha 
particles as a by-product. 

 

John Fisher has seen such particles ascending in the steam produced by an open 
cell. That particle produced thousands of alpha particles,

 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Mark Jurich <jur...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:jur...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Russ:

 

   I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this experiment, 
very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m not talking about Alan, 
here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even realize he got 
irradiated until the analysis, weeks later ... He’s resting, not because of the 
apparent irradiation, but because he didn’t get much sleep during the 
experiment.  I think the dose estimate was something like this ... A few 
minutes after the event, he received more radiation from the Natural Radiation 
Background than all that was currently estimated during the supposed burst...

 

I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.

   

 

From: Russ George <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>  

Subject: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

 

If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does this 
infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that person is 
both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source, and has a 
long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would seem likely the 
‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than what the detector 
has recorded. 

 

RE: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Russ George]

You might at least use an appropriate emoticon ;) I have posed the dose 
question is to discover some idea of context. Clearly what has been stated in 
this recent experiment is a dose orders of magnitude beyond ‘natural 
background.’ 

In another context for example if Rossi feels it is necessary to provide 5 cm 
of lead shielding in his e-cats that is a stunning amount of gamma/x-ray 
shielding. For example 1mm of lead is more than sufficient to give 99.9% 
protection from medical x-rays for some common human context. 

 

From: Mark Jurich [mailto:jur...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

 

Hi Russ:

 

   I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this experiment, 
very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m not talking about Alan, 
here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even realize he got 
irradiated until the analysis, weeks later ... He’s resting, not because of the 
apparent irradiation, but because he didn’t get much sleep during the 
experiment.  I think the dose estimate was something like this ... A few 
minutes after the event, he received more radiation from the Natural Radiation 
Background than all that was currently estimated during the supposed burst...

 

I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.

   

 

From:  <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> Russ George 

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM

To:  <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Subject: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

 

If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does this 
infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that person is 
both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source, and has a 
long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would seem likely the 
‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than what the detector 
has recorded. 

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Axil Axil]

I believe that the Hydrogen Rydberg Matter (HRM) can escape the reactor by
penetrating glass or hot alumina. If this stuff gets into the lungs, it
could produce nuclear reactions inside the body and produce 10s of
thousands of alpha particles as a by-product.

John Fisher has seen such particles ascending in the steam produced by an
open cell. That particle produced thousands of alpha particles,

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Mark Jurich  wrote:

> Hi Russ:
>
>I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this
> experiment, very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m not talking
> about Alan, here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even realize
> he got irradiated until the analysis, weeks later ... He’s resting, not
> because of the apparent irradiation, but because he didn’t get much sleep
> during the experiment.  I think the dose estimate was something like this
> ... A few minutes after the event, he received more radiation from the
> Natural Radiation Background than all that was currently estimated during
> the supposed burst...
>
> I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.
>
>
> *From:* Russ George 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?
>
>
> If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does
> this infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? Clearly that
> person is both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to the source,
> and has a long exposure from this and many similar experiments. It would
> seem likely the ‘human detector dose’ is some orders of magnitude more than
> what the detector has recorded.
>

Re: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

[Mark Jurich]

RE: [Vo]:Big surprise or big dud ?Hi Russ:

   I happen to know one of the possibly irradiated parties of this experiment, 
very well ... He’s a total idiot, actually ... I’m 
not talking about Alan, here.  He’s such an idiot that he actually didn’t even 
realize he got irradiated until the analysis, weeks 
later ... He’s resting, not because of the apparent irradiation, but because he 
didn’t get much sleep during the experiment.  I 
think the dose estimate was something like this ... A few minutes after the 
event, he received more radiation from the Natural 
Radiation Background than all that was currently estimated during the supposed 
burst...

I’ll check back with him in a few days to see if he’s OK, though.


From: Russ George
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:13 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Implied personal radiation dose ?

If the radiation signal in the recent MFMP experiment holds up what does this 
infer as a dose for the person doing the experiment? 
Clearly that person is both a much larger ‘detector’, likely often closer to 
the source, and has a long exposure from this and many 
similar experiments. It would seem likely the ‘human detector dose’ is some 
orders of magnitude more than what the detector has 
recorded.