Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote: Can we ask directly him about the RUN II ? I have asked the Ampengo people for permission to upload these slides and other information. So far the answer is no. I cannot say anything more. Sorry. Getting information from cold fusion

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-21 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Getting information from cold fusion researchers is like pulling teeth. You have to beg and plead and wait and wait. Yet they call you a Luddite or worse if you don't believe their claims.

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Getting information from cold fusion researchers is like pulling teeth. You have to beg and plead and wait and wait. Yet they call you a Luddite or worse if you don't believe their claims. That is a dicto simpliciter fallacy (sweeping generalization).

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: In addition, there was plenty of rational skepticism here long before Yugo or Cude came around. By the time Yugo even made his/her/its presence known, I think the forum had already touched on her criticisms, including Rossi’s sordid past

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-19 09:14 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: From Susan Jed, How we call inidipendent the tests made by Ampenergo ? Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Do you know who they are ? These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi. Somewhere there

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: McKubre didn't test anything of Rossi's. (Correct me if I'm wrong, please!) He knows someone who did. This is an important distinction. That is correct. That is what he said during his lecture, which is linked here: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-20 Thread Andrea Selva
*He meant this person attended the AmpEnerco tests, such as the one in McKube's slide #32: * Dear Jed I have a few question for you (or if possible for McKubre himself) Fell free to answer or just ignore me. I read carefully the slide # 32 I couldn't find any person's name. Can we know this

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 19.12.2011 03:03 Betreff: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre Here is a key issue. Rossi's personality is an open book thanks to

RE: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Susan Jed, How we call inidipendent the tests made by Ampenergo ? Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Do you know who they are ? These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi. Somewhere there is the list and where thy come from (Leonardo, LTI..). I

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Yes, data. Do you know who they are ? Yes, I said I did. Please read my message more carefully. These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi. No, they are not. Sorry but in

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread peter . heckert
@eskimo.com Datum: 19.12.2011 15:43 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Yes, data. Do you know who they are ? Yes, I said I

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Yes, data. Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay and bad hearsay at that because the

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 19.12.2011 15:43, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Susanna Gippsusan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Yes, data. Do you know who they are ? Yes, I said I did. Please read my message more carefully. Same what Allan Sterling says about the Penderev

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, data. Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay . . . No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from Ampenergo. and bad hearsay at that because the conditions under which the results were

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, data. Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay . . . No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from Ampenergo. And I

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: You write too much. You do not read enough. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Mary Yugo
I received this in email from someone who prefers to remain anonymous: Regarding Rossi's relationship with Ampenergo, I find it interesting that Rossi's company (Leonardo Corp.) and Ampenergo share the same rented office space, which is owned by Ampenergo's founder, Karl Norwood. Rossi's company

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from Ampenergo. And I say again: Ampenergo is Rossi's N. American distributor and has done and showed nothing As I noted, they were not the distributors when these tests were done. They have done

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread noone noone
about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre Mary Yugo wrote: No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from Ampenergo. And I say again: Ampenergo is Rossi's N. American distributor and has done and showed nothing As I noted, they were

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Jed, I like you because you are romantic. I think a little too optimistic but I can see your heart is in the right place. I hope you are right. Giovanni On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Jed, you have

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Jed, I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary. But I was born and grown up in Italy. I have met several Italian scientists. In fact, I met in person, and I have been at his house another LENR researcher of relatively old times: Renzo Boscoli (you can do a web search for him if you don't

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.comwrote: Jed, I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary. Sorry, not Italian. He claims to have been a victim of the corrupted Italian system and I was open to accept that but then when you see how he followed the

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Bruno Santos
Yugo... must be serbian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Koral! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...) Just kidding. :-) No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be a lot of evidences pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground. 2011/12/19 Mary Yugo

RE: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-19 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
drilled into us every single freakin' day, to vortexB. -Mark From: Bruno Santos [mailto:besantos1...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre Yugo... must

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

2011-12-18 Thread Susanna Gipp
Jed, How we call inidipendent the tests made by Ampenergo ? Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Do you know who they are ? These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi. Somewhere there is the list and where thy come from (Leonardo, LTI..). I wouldn't be surprised also