Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
It's over dude. My condolences. I, myself, have been feasting on crow for days. Rossi is a Fraud or Delusional. See Steven's Video of his trip to Italy. The pathetic steam output volume is the give-away. You can witness it somewhere near the end of the video. The SR-71 blackbird would be put to shame if the input liquid water rate of 7 kg per hr. were turned into dry steam spewing out at Mach 6. What we see is a pathtic 1.33 meters per second or so out of his 1 cm diameter tube. These are the numbers for the output products given 750 Watts electrical input at 95% efficiency, with a working fluid of 7 liters water per hr at 26.5 degrees C. 3.1% water vapor by mass. 1.8% liquid water by volume. Steven will have indistputable numbers and facts within the next few weeks and present the evidence in a far more digestable manner than my pathetic attempts here.
Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It's over dude. My condolences. I, myself, have been feasting on crow for days. Rossi is a Fraud or Delusional. See Steven's Video of his trip to Italy. The pathetic steam output volume is the give-away. You're joking. This is ridiculous. There would be no steam at all if the thing was not producing excess energy. Rossi's analysis is crude but reasonably correct, within 20%. There is no way it could be over 100 deg C without excess. There is also no way Levi or EK can be significantly wrong. Ed Storms sent me his analysis of the test. I will upload it here. Steven will have indistputable numbers and facts within the next few weeks and present the evidence in a far more digestable manner than my pathetic attempts here. Krivit does not what he is talking about. His assertion that they might have measured by volume is ridiculous, and his questions to the professors were rude. No wonder they did not answer. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
LOL. The personal dynamics emerging out of the Rossi story as we move into Independence Day, especially on the journalism end of the spectrum, are becoming quaintly humorous, no? Let's face it: this is either the most important invention of all time or it is a massive, embarrassing scam. It's more important than fire, as one of AR's competitor likes to opine :-) ... or else the impending coup de grâce for LENR. And if you are a fringe journalist, prepared to step-up into the National scene, having already made a little wave with the not really fusion spiel - then this could be the story which is not just a once in a lifetime opportunity, but once in all time ... Certainly, the stakes are high and there is little middle ground by now, so if you have prided yourself on being the Numero Uno top-journalist in LENR - which is to say, in a field which was once a backwater of pathological science, but which is now poised to explode (and with you at the helm) ... priceless ...but wait ... Can this impending Paradigm Shift really be due to a poorly crafted invention by a nutty Italian, and will that device alone essentially become the savior of the Free World and the Western way of life ? (instead of the other lame story which Krivit been spearheading, and promoting non-stop). Let's face it, Steve did not get in on the ground floor of the Rossi 'event,' possibly due to bad advice from his new sponsors W L, and now fears the possibility that he could have blown everything by missing those early clues; and mainly by choosing the 'wrong horse'... ... but that is only if Rossi is for real. And 'scam' is looking to be easily possible, at least to a growing list of smart fence-straddlers, going into July ... but then again, that is due mainly to the whims of a nutty Italian, more so that to the actual results- which are extraordinarily robust according to insiders, but only as glorified anecdote. No good numbers yet - which pleases the skeptic ... and then again, that could be part of the scam (or else part of a pervasive attitude of 'full speed ahead'). In the end, it seems that the easiest recourse for Krivit to save face is this slime-gamble, made worse from by a failed visit to Italy - and based on too-little information, but seemingly the only option: dump on Rossi - big time. His prayer is to get out there and position himself as the journalist who bravely stood up to the scorn and ridicule of colleagues in the field, and exposed Andrea Rossi as the scam artist he is. He will thereby scoop the journalists who beat him to other possibility, and reclaim his rightful position as Numero Uno journalist in the field ... and then, perhaps, be ready to double-down, since his other 'horse,' the one that went lame getting into the gate last year - will now have second-wind. By November, Steve may come out of this looking not only like a top-dog journalist, but also like a bit of an insightful scientist in his own right ... ...or else he will be staring deeply into the wrong end of that proverbial horse ? What are the probabilities ? You have four months to decide. From: Jed Rothwell Subject: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't Here is a long posting by Steve Krivit: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/Report2-372-EnergyCatalyzerScienti ficCommunicationAndEthicsIssues.shtml I would say this is correct. He points out many weaknesses in Rossi's presentations and data. He exaggerates the problems, but basically it is correct. Then he nullifies the discussion: I went to Bologna to seek scientific answers to scientific questions that deserve forthright and detailed responses. Rossi does not claim to be a scientist, and he was under no ethical obligation to give me the scientific answers I sought. He is not bound to any scientific credo, and he answers to no institution. Levi, however, is a scientist and, to a certain extent, represents the University of Bologna. (Levi is, of course, entitled to academic freedom to conduct research as he chooses.) My response: I did not go to Bologna because Rossi told me he would not answer scientific questions. He made that abundantly clear. Krivit should have asked, as I did. If he had scientific questions, he should have asked them over the telephone. Rossi would not have answered them, and Krivit would have saved the cost of airfare. If Krivit did ask before he left, and he knew that Rossi would not answer scientific questions, then perhaps this whole thing was a set up. Perhaps Krivit went there to make Rossi look bad. It is the easiest thing in the world to make Rossi look bad. I have been dealing with Rossi for over a year and he has not answered any scientific questions yet, so why was Krivit expecting anything different? Rossi answers engineering questions, albeit not to my full satisfaction. Since Rossi is not bound to any scientific credo, and he answers to no institution why is there dispute? Why is there any issue?
Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Let's face it: this is either the most important invention of all time It is one of the most important inventions right NOW. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It's over dude. My condolences. I, myself, have been feasting on crow for days. Rossi is a Fraud or Delusional. See Steven's Video of his trip to Italy. The pathetic steam output volume is the give-away. You're joking. This is ridiculous. There would be no steam at all if the thing was not producing excess energy. I've asked Check to check my output velocity based on the assumption of 7 kg/hr input and 100% vapor output. I did post it, didn't I? Calculating the output velocity is a good sanity check. Could you see what you get?
Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: Calculating the output velocity is a good sanity check. Could you see what you get? No, it isn't a good sanity check at the end of a 3 m hose. It would be good with a short hose. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
At 06:12 PM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.comdecra...@gmail.com wrote: Calculating the output velocity is a good sanity check. Could you see what you get? No, it isn't a good sanity check at the end of a 3 m hose. It would be good with a short hose. It is a kind of sanity check, because if the steam velocity is high, the steam would have little opportunity to cool in the hose. I.e., with high steam volume, 3 meters is relatively short. This is not a comment on anyone's steam velocity calculation.
Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't
Joshua suggested off list the hose might be as long as 4.5m. (Think about all the bends etc.) If Rossi said it was 3m that was probably Rossi speak for a length of hose which I haven't bothered to measure accurately but which is long enough to run down from the e-cat, along the floor into the adjoining room and up into a drain Harry - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 10:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't At 06:12 PM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.comdecra...@gmail.com wrote: Calculating the output velocity is a good sanity check. Could you see what you get? No, it isn't a good sanity check at the end of a 3 m hose. It would be good with a short hose. It is a kind of sanity check, because if the steam velocity is high, the steam would have little opportunity to cool in the hose. I.e., with high steam volume, 3 meters is relatively short. This is not a comment on anyone's steam velocity calculation.
