Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

Don't think serial numbers will be of much use in this area.

They're valuable in tracing guns and cars because the sale of both those 
items is pretty heavily controlled, and so there's an actual record of 
what happened to, say, item number 2398623.  But toys aren't tracked at 
all, and are unlikely to start getting tracked any time soon (unless the 
folks in the FBI /really/ have too much time on their hands), and that 
means that even if you discover the drone had motor number 9868096754 in 
it, that still won't enable you to tell who had it previously, nor what 
path it followed before it exploded during the President's speech on the 
White House lawn.


On 07/08/2016 06:18 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, a.ashfield > wrote:


What parts?  small electric motors and batteries?  RC is a do it
yourself operation now, or just take parts from toys.


Good question. Not sure. Perhaps serial numbers on the types of RC 
parts that go into toys.  Clearly having traceable serial numbers will 
only be useful in finding the perpetrators if the drone goes down and 
is recovered.


It's an interesting thought experiment -- what will governments do in 
a pinch if the number of assassinations goes up?


Eric

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Eric Walker]

Whether one worries about the government or trusts it's every decision, it
will surely be of general interest to have a sense of how governments will
respond when there is a string of assassinations that appear to go back to
cheap drones.  My guess is that the fact that there is not much that can be
readily done about it will drive decisions in a direction of greater
intrusion into privacy and greater oversight.

Eric


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Che  wrote:

> You need to worry about the government.
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Che]

You need to worry about the government.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:
>
> What parts?  small electric motors and batteries?  RC is a do it yourself
>> operation now, or just take parts from toys.
>>
>
> Good question. Not sure. Perhaps serial numbers on the types of RC parts
> that go into toys.  Clearly having traceable serial numbers will only be
> useful in finding the perpetrators if the drone goes down and is recovered.
>
> It's an interesting thought experiment -- what will governments do in a
> pinch if the number of assassinations goes up?
>
> Eric
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Eric Walker]

Russ,

I have a filter set in Gmail that marks your emails automatically as
"read," so I usually don't see them, but I saw this one by accident. I'm
sure there are other forums out there that will benefit from your special
insights and knowledge, and whose discussions would be of a caliber that
merit your valuable time.

Eric


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> What a banal discussion, a cheap drone off of E-Bay with a small Claymore
> is more than sufficient technology.
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 8, 2016 1:56 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
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>
>
> I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots
> to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them.
>
>
>
> If assassinations using cheaply-made drones without traceable parts become
> a recurring issue, I'm going to guess that there will be increasing
> oversight of the factories that make specialized parts (at least, those
> that cannot be printed using a 3d printer), increasing monitoring of the
> airspaces directly above population centers, and increasing regulations on
> who can fly drones and under what conditions. Libertarians will not be
> happy.
>
>
>
> Eric
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