Re: [Vo]:The other "heavy water"
Spark generator from charged particles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8GlzUjYazs Muons do the same job as neutrons but better through they are very hard to detect. On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Few rad detectors show neutrons, mostly they are quite large, the flux > might be very low hence the need for a time integrating detector, pretty > much the only available is a bubble detector, they are very inexpensive and > idiot proof to read, one needs a pair of them one in the inside shirt > pocket, they are the size of a fountain pen, one left outside the room, > just count the bubbles, if more inside there are neutrons afoot. > > -Original Message- > From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:05 AM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The other "heavy water" > > Well, that is a bit too obvious. > > There is little doubt that by now someone has hidden and used a radiation > detector of some kind during a demo, given the circumstances. > Mills realized this possibility from day one - and has taken precautions > > The possible conclusions include: > > 1) The reaction produces almost no neutrons, even secondary neutrons, even > when natural deuterium is in the water. This is the preferred scenario from > Mills perspective. > > 2) Water is used in the demo which is depleted in deuterium thus no > neutrons are seen > > 3) Neutron shielding has been used but is not mentioned by Mills... and it > has worked > > 4) The party detecting the radiation has kept quiet about it. > > > Russ George wrote: > > > Easily testable, just have someone attending a Mills demo carry an > integrating neutron detector such as a bubble detector. > > >
RE: [Vo]:The other "heavy water"
Few rad detectors show neutrons, mostly they are quite large, the flux might be very low hence the need for a time integrating detector, pretty much the only available is a bubble detector, they are very inexpensive and idiot proof to read, one needs a pair of them one in the inside shirt pocket, they are the size of a fountain pen, one left outside the room, just count the bubbles, if more inside there are neutrons afoot. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:05 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The other "heavy water" Well, that is a bit too obvious. There is little doubt that by now someone has hidden and used a radiation detector of some kind during a demo, given the circumstances. Mills realized this possibility from day one - and has taken precautions The possible conclusions include: 1) The reaction produces almost no neutrons, even secondary neutrons, even when natural deuterium is in the water. This is the preferred scenario from Mills perspective. 2) Water is used in the demo which is depleted in deuterium thus no neutrons are seen 3) Neutron shielding has been used but is not mentioned by Mills... and it has worked 4) The party detecting the radiation has kept quiet about it. Russ George wrote: > Easily testable, just have someone attending a Mills demo carry an > integrating neutron detector such as a bubble detector.
Re: [Vo]:The other "heavy water"
Well, that is a bit too obvious. There is little doubt that by now someone has hidden and used a radiation detector of some kind during a demo, given the circumstances. Mills realized this possibility from day one - and has taken precautions The possible conclusions include: 1) The reaction produces almost no neutrons, even secondary neutrons, even when natural deuterium is in the water. This is the preferred scenario from Mills perspective. 2) Water is used in the demo which is depleted in deuterium thus no neutrons are seen 3) Neutron shielding has been used but is not mentioned by Mills... and it has worked 4) The party detecting the radiation has kept quiet about it. Russ George wrote: Easily testable, just have someone attending a Mills demo carry an integrating neutron detector such as a bubble detector.
RE: [Vo]:The other "heavy water"
Easily testable, just have someone attending a Mills demo carry an integrating neutron detector such as a bubble detector. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:46 AM To: Vortex List Subject: [Vo]:The other "heavy water" With speculation rampant on the subject of the latest Mills/BrLP miracle device - here are a few thoughts from the fringe that most observers have never contemplated. As we know from 75 years of experimentation with heavy water - neutrons are hard to avoid and passing an electron beam through deuterium will release neutrons in proportion to the power of the discharge. One cannot avoid this problem using distilled water, due to small amount of deuterium and the statistical energy distribution in electric arcs (Boltzmann's tail). However, deuterium-depleted water is available. For a price. It is a bit ironic that to avoid the "taint" of nuclear energy, a demo could be required to employ an expensive fuel which is depleted of D. Ironic in a way. The normal water supply water contains about 1 molecule in 3,200 of HDO (one hydrogen atom in every 6,400 is in the form of D) but full heavy water molecules are much rarer yet are not required for neutron spallation via electric discharge. Passing an electric arc through water or steam containing HDO will eventually debilitate (activate) any reactor... after a predictable time frame. This is due to neutron activation of the most metal components. It may require a long time frame but it cannot be ignored. The problem is less with lower voltage, but it is always there... at least without using deuterium depleted water. This fact severely limits the demonstration time parameter - due to liability issues with neutron irradiation... unless depleted water is used ... and it is costly. Thus we can be fairly certain that the SunCell (TM) in these demos uses water which has been depleted of HDO... which possibly makes it extremely expensive from the start - since it is not available via mass production. Also - somewhere BrLPs facilities there is probably a "hot room" but you are unlikely to hear this admission at the demo. Mills would argue that depleted water should be affordable in the future due to mass production, or in any event the neutron activation is less of a problem in an industrial setting - but it is somewhat curious that this subject is generally avoided, even on forums. Admittedly, this is not a deal-breaker problem - given the realm of other risks... but... OK, to move onto something more useful - the intended subject here is that "other" kind of heavy water. This refers to light water where density increase comes NOT from deuterium or from heavier oxygen isotopes but from a population where one or both of the hydrogen atoms is in the redundant orbital state (the hydrino state). This happenstance would be planned FROM THE START so that the net gain comes from forcing this denser species into an even lower Rydberg orbital. Mills is suspected of being disingenuous to claim that the process will not need to recapture dense hydrogen and reuse it. It would be a more expensive proposition to obtain an advanced fuel from the start - which is nominally light water in which a natural population of dense hydrogen already exists, but it makes sense if Mills is correct on his theory. Even if the population of hydrinos is relatively low (ppm) the energy gain could be well worth the effort... and there is probably a natural source in the solar corona. Of special interest would be a putative fuel (which we can denote as hydrino-water) which is harvested from the oceans. Think about it - the solar corona sends megatons of dense hydrogen to earth in the solar wind daily (according to RM) and it ends up in the oceans as it has for billions of years. Can this resource not be harvested? Another possible hydrino-water source for harvesting is the spent water from nuclear reactors which is also activated but that may not matter once Mills gets over his problem of denial of LENR. In short, it is highly doubtful that this SunCell (TM) device "extracts energy from water" in the way that proponents have been lead to believe. It is highly likely that neutron activation is a problem. It is highly likely that the process is LENR, or stated more succinctly - that LENR and Mills are differing aspects of the same phenomenon which at some stage requires the densification of hydrogen.
