Re: [vos-d] Project: Zephan

2008-07-30 Thread Karsten Otto
Ohhh, how cute! Congratulations, and my best wishes to you and your family for the future! Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] More new S5 classes/concepts

2008-02-14 Thread Karsten Otto
do better than that. Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] s5 progress and design

2007-12-06 Thread Karsten Otto
Am 05.12.2007 um 22:13 schrieb Peter Amstutz: On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:43:47AM +0100, Karsten Otto wrote: Hi Peter, some questions/comments from the top of my head: What does importReplica() imply exactly? Is this just loading a local copy, or does it include contactig the remote site

Re: [vos-d] s5 progress and design

2007-12-06 Thread Karsten Otto
the marshalling for remote (or local!) invocations - this is what users handle, though they are never aware of it, only of the fact that they got a MyType object to use. So, how is this didfferent from what VOS s5 is supposed to do? Regards, Karsten Otto (kao

Re: [vos-d] s5 progress and design

2007-12-05 Thread Karsten Otto
when it wraps? Regarding naming, there seem to be MyType, MyTypeWrapper, MyTypeImpl... what exactly is the difference between the three? The old distinction Interface, RemoteType, LocalType does not quite seem to fit anymore in the way you use the new code. Sort of confused, Karsten Otto

Re: [vos-d] s/MetaObject/Component

2007-12-03 Thread Karsten Otto
be added at runtime. All in all, I think they deserve their own name, and Component just isn't it. Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] thoughts and plans

2007-06-28 Thread Karsten Otto
://purl.org/net/7/comp/Headlight.html Regards, Karsten Otto ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] thoughts and plans

2007-06-27 Thread Karsten Otto
envisioning a sort amalgamation of Firefox, Emacs and Blender, possibly with some Visual Studio-style detachable pop-out windows (using wxAUI) thrown in for good measure. It's crazy, but it just might work. Amen. Regards, Karsten Otto ___ vos-d mailing

Re: [vos-d] Movement interpolation update

2007-05-03 Thread Karsten Otto
it is an actual embedded child of the avatar vobject, which is somewhat messy. The only *real* solution, both in S4 and S5, would be what the games do: Send a custom movement message... and loose the genericity of the VOS platform. Regards, Karsten Otto (kao

[vos-d] Terangreal crash

2007-04-17 Thread Karsten Otto
. Is the range check actually necessary in this method? I don't have the time to track this down... Despite of this obvious bug, I am pleased to see that VOP still sort of works despite the long neglect :-) Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing

Re: [vos-d] s5 concurrency (design part 2)

2007-04-12 Thread Karsten Otto
VMs to support context switching is even more unrealistic. Usually people only have a standard perl/python/lua/xyz installation. LL has the advantage that people only use ONE scripting language, running on ONE VM - under their control. Regards, Karsten Otto (kao

Re: [vos-d] s5 concurrency (design part 2)

2007-04-10 Thread Karsten Otto
Ok, I haven't studied this Actor model so far, let me see if I understood it correctly. If a message comes in from the network, you determine its target vobject and method(?). You then try to bind/lock the target, and execute its method in a thread you pick from a pool. If the vobject is

Re: [vos-d] Flux Worlds Server Announcement

2007-04-02 Thread Karsten Otto
? Or in other words: How metaverse is it? Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] Physics Braindump

2007-02-28 Thread Karsten Otto
a) only mass, b) only elasticity, c) both? Regards, Karsten Otto Am 28.02.2007 um 08:32 schrieb Ken Taylor: Peter Amstutz wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:14:51PM +0100, Benjamin Mesing wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 11:03 -0500, Peter Amstutz wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:03:44AM -0500

Re: [vos-d] Online Space

2007-02-09 Thread Karsten Otto
coordinate space and continue from there? That may not be particularly precise or realistic, but again, as long as the system behaves more or less consistently, I can live with it. Regards, Karsten Otto Am 09.02.2007 um 16:29 schrieb Peter Amstutz: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 08:57:18AM +0900, chris

Re: [vos-d] Online Space

2007-02-01 Thread Karsten Otto
case, there should be some halfway point at which the seagulls stop using the pyramid server for position tracking and switch over to to the iceberg server. This kind of handover is more or less what you do to make cellphones work. Hope this helps a bit! Karsten Otto (kao

Re: [vos-d] VOS requirements

2007-02-01 Thread Karsten Otto
? Utter nonsense? Comments welcome. Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] new vos concept: listen conditions

2007-01-31 Thread Karsten Otto
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Re: [vos-d] new vos concept: listen conditions

2007-01-31 Thread Karsten Otto
Am 30.01.2007 um 20:50 schrieb Peter Amstutz: [...] c) For large updates (say over 4-8k), instead of immediately sending out new property data, the vobject sends out an invalidation message (I've changed, you're out of date) and the remote side has the option of deciding whether to go out

Re: [vos-d] VOS requirements

2007-01-26 Thread Karsten Otto
? Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] VOS requirements

2007-01-25 Thread Karsten Otto
interested in trees but not houses, why should it download the complete appearance definition of the house? Also, if it has no 3D display capability, it might want to download only the member metadata, and possible a different form of appearance such as a text or 2D icon. Regards, Karsten Otto (kao

Re: [vos-d] vobject namespace

2006-12-12 Thread Karsten Otto
to implement, since the code for parsing and following paths is more or less the same either way. Well, at least something stays the same :-) Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [vos-d] status and scheming

2006-12-08 Thread Karsten Otto
to visit it. There are some hardcoded private worlds though - I usually test against the a3dldemo app, or the Block World with omnivos if I need an avatar factory. And there's always the Ter'angreal starting world too :-) There really should be more VOS worlds out there... Regards, Karsten

Re: [vos-d] status and scheming

2006-12-05 Thread Karsten Otto
Am 04.12.2006 um 17:19 schrieb S Mattison: The problem here is you would need to have a notifier when people were in your world, so you could port there and greet them. This would require that your client also be a server, or that the server would not be capable of running exclusively

Re: [vos-d] parameterized views

2006-12-05 Thread Karsten Otto
a readonly clone at revision time, and keep that around indefinitely. Somewhat costly, isn't it? Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

Re: [vos-d] parameterized views

2006-12-04 Thread Karsten Otto
Hi folks! From the top of my head, I'd say this idea of yours sounds cool, but is probably going too far. After all, the idea is to present a synchronized world for everybody to *share*, i.e. Gibson's consensual hallucination. If every user gets to see the world in an entirely different

Re: [vos-d] status and scheming

2006-12-04 Thread Karsten Otto
Am 01.12.2006 um 19:37 schrieb S Mattison: Now-ish is a great interpretation of it. The server can't send everyone a packet every nanosecond. Exactly. I was thinking somewhat in the lines of a simplified per- world NTP (RFC 1305). And I don't think it should 'degrade' to server-client, I

Re: [vos-d] status and scheming

2006-12-01 Thread Karsten Otto
Hi everyone! Being mainly a lurker myself, I regrettably haven't followed the recent design discussions too closely. However, when considering the topics of scripting and animation, I believe it is very important to keep the aspect of world semantics in mind. There are lots of 3D engines

[vos-d] VOS to RDF mapping

2006-12-01 Thread Karsten Otto
Let me contribute one more animal to the vobject graph language zoo... In my own framework I currently map VOS to RDF (Resource Description Format). The mapping is somewhat ad-hoc, but works nicely for me. I'd appreciate comments and suggestions! Mapping VOS graphs to RDF is

Re: [vos-d] VOS to RDF mapping

2006-12-01 Thread Karsten Otto
facility would be nicer for cases where multiple property changes must be transmitted in a single update message. Maybe a revival of the message block...? Also, this may require a change in the API, with a setTransform(pos, ori) or similar for simultaneous updates. Regards, Karsten Otto (kao

Re: [vos-d] omnivos and Mac trouble

2006-03-30 Thread Karsten Otto
/vos/ metaobjects/misc/talkative.cc, Talkative::getRelayListeners(), apparently this is till the case. Funnily enough, omnivos allowd the creation of the relay vobject, vop://alu.mi.fu-berlin.de: 4231/332338614, without any complaints... Regards, Karsten Otto

[vos-d] omnivos and Mac trouble

2006-03-29 Thread Karsten Otto
the missing children... Help! :-) Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vos-d

[vos-d] More fun with CVS VOS

2006-03-16 Thread Karsten Otto
rectangle I see in wxtest. It does not explain the nondeterministic order in which the shapes appear on each start. Oh well... Having lots of fun, Karsten Otto (kao)___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin

[vos-d] Terangreal OSX again

2006-03-14 Thread Karsten Otto
please fix (wx)terangreal to use csDefaultRunLoop() ? Thanks, Karsten Otto (kao) ...Cross-platform development is such wonderful and fun thing to do... ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org http://www.interreality.org/cgi-bin/mailman

[vos-d] VOS/Mac troubles and legacy VOP support

2006-03-09 Thread Karsten Otto
on flex/bison... Do you have an alternative parser lying around, or should I write my own one? Also, could you do me a favour and add a legacy command line switch to VosApp to use Socket instead of Vip? Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) ___ vos-d

Re: [vos-d] VOS 0.23.0-pre2 released

2006-03-02 Thread Karsten Otto
Am 01.03.2006 um 22:13 schrieb Peter Amstutz: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Reed Hedges wrote: Do any of the demo/sample programs that come with wx work? Yes they do, I tried their minesweeper clone, fractal generator, game of life simulator, all of

Re: [vos-d] VOS 0.23.0-pre2 released

2006-03-01 Thread Karsten Otto
Am 28.02.2006 um 06:14 schrieb Peter Amstutz: Both the wxWidgets installed by XCode and by Fink seemed to be broken (in different ways) so what I had to do was to download the wxMac 2.6.2 source and compile it myself. I suggest you try that and install it into /usr/local. Following

Re: [vos-d] VOS 0.23.0-pre2 released

2006-02-27 Thread Karsten Otto
Am 26.02.2006 um 01:04 schrieb Reed Hedges: fails to link wxterangreal: ... -lvos -lwx_macud-2.5 -lircclient -lvosimpexp_3d -lASE -lpthread - lboost_thread /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: typeinfo for wxApp ... Hmm, what is the output when you run /sw/bin/wx-config --libs ? I think it ought

Re: [vos-d] VOS 0.23.0-pre2 released

2006-02-24 Thread Karsten Otto
Hi all, I tried to build the new prerelease on my Mac, since it is supposed to fix all the old problems. Well... somewhat. After a few minor glitches, I got at least a working version of terangreal, though not wxterangreal. I'll try the CVS version later. Here are my notes of the build

Re: [vos-d] Building 0.23.0-pre1 release on MacOS X

2006-02-21 Thread Karsten Otto
this in the VOS core package? Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) --- Some excerpts from the compile log (using CVS version) $ ./autogen.sh works with usual cryptic (to me) warnings. $ ./configure --with-vos=$HOME/opt/vos --with-crystal=$HOME/opt/CS -- with-boost=/sw works so far, finds all

Re: [vos-d] Building 0.23.0-pre1 release on MacOS X

2006-02-14 Thread Karsten Otto
a hitch. Who could've imagined ever seeing a CS version working out of the box... :-) Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) Am 14.02.2006 um 03:10 schrieb Daniel Fryer: I do believe that gcc 4 on the Mac is incompatible with Crystalspace, last I heard, due to compiler bugs and whatnot. Perhaps try

Re: [vos-d] Building 0.23.0-pre1 release on MacOS X

2006-02-13 Thread Karsten Otto
of MeshApp::registerCommand(). As an alternative, it might be interesting to build VOS on a Linux box with gcc 4.x and see if this results in the same errors. Does anybody have such an installation? Regards, Karsten Otto (kao) Am 11.02.2006 um 21:57 schrieb Peter Amstutz: -BEGIN PGP

[vos-d] Building 0.23.0-pre1 release on MacOS X

2006-02-10 Thread Karsten Otto
MeshApp::do_exit(). Adding API exports for MeshApp did not help either. I tried compiling the whole thing under Linux with gcc 3.4, which works, so I assume gcc 4.0.1 is to blame (also see warning below). Any suggestions? Thanks, Karsten Otto (kao) Last compile log follows... [EMAIL