RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Talvola
Chuck Esterbrook wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2003 06:16 am, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: This has bitten some people on this mailing list in the past because of bugs in database adapters. And right now I'm trying to track down a problem where I have a servlet that makes an HTTPS request to another

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-15 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
On Thursday 12 June 2003 06:16 am, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: This has bitten some people on this mailing list in the past because of bugs in database adapters. And right now I'm trying to track down a problem where I have a servlet that makes an HTTPS request to another web site (using Python's

RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-13 Thread paul.boddie
Ian Bicking [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would also like to see a standard container. I don't think it even has to be terribly intrusive or conformist -- it just has to create request and response objects, and map those to some resource, which would be somewhat more abstract than

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Chris Bruce hat gesagt: // Chris Bruce wrote: Thanks for the info. If you have any additional suggestions or comments, please let me know. As far as security, is UserKit useable? I found that the file(pickle)-based UserManager just doesn't work (for me). The MiddleKit backend

RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread paul.boddie
Geoffrey Talvola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Webware used some sort of process pool instead of a thread pool, and served only one request per process, this wouldn't be as much of a problem. It could be interesting to investigate the tantalising, but still apparently obscure, POSH

RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread paul.boddie
Hancock, David (DHANCOCK) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that adopting a process-based architecture would reduce performance considerably, but maybe there's some middle ground using FastCGI or mod_python. I suppose I should have said process pooling rather than

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread Chris Bruce
I think the process issue lies within the Webware application server, and not the connection from Apache to Webware. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread Aaron Held
I like webware becuase you can write all of the business logic as normal python modules, test them outsite of a webserver w/ full debugging, and then call it from a very small servlet. I hate debuggin in a web server. Here is an example of how I use Webware. I need to pull data from

RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread Ian Bicking
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 04:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Bicking [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm not exactly objective, but then while Webware is my preference, Zope is my current reality in professional programming. You're relatively lucky, then. The closest to job-related

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread Chris Bruce
right now, developing the Zope-like things that make it easy to build web-apps in Zope as plug-ins for Webware. Chris - Original Message - From: Ian Bicking To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Webware discuss Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread Tracy S . Ruggles
On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 12:53 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: Also, because Webware doesn't publish everything, you can use Python modules and objects that aren't Zope-aware. Zope makes this really hard -- like, for some reason a Postgres connection is returning an mxDateTime (un-Zope-aware)

RE: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-12 Thread Thomas Dennehy
Ian writes: Personally I detest XML files -- the beauty of OO is when data is not exposed, just methods, and XML exposes data in an inflexible way. But the interchangeability would be great. At Autodesk, we had an object-oriented approach to XML for the Streamline engineering collaboration

[Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-11 Thread Chris Bruce
I truly believe that Python is probably the best web development language around. I have actually been paid to develop with Java, ASP, PHP, and Perl and none of them are the silver bullet, like python appears to be. But, I am now trying to find a great framework to use on all future apps done in

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-11 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Chris Bruce hat gesagt: // Chris Bruce wrote: I am getting ready to build a large webbased application. I am set on python (still wondering how to make installation easy) and am deciding between Zope and Webware. I have developed many Zope applications, but new to Webware. Why not

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-11 Thread Gary Perez
Hi, Chris. I muddle my way through both Zope and Webware almost daily. I'm neither a novice nor an expert with either. With mod_webkit, you get to take advantage of Apache's built-in functionality. If mod_ssl is installed/configured, then secure stuff dynamically generated through webkit is a

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-11 Thread Chris Bruce
Thanks for the info. If you have any additional suggestions or comments, please let me know. As far as security, is UserKit useable? Chris - Original Message - From: Chris Bruce To: Webware discuss Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:25 AM Subject: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-11 Thread Ian Bicking
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 16:29, Chris Bruce wrote: As far as security, is UserKit useable? My experience, shared by a number of other people, is that UserKit doesn't help with the interesting problems (like security, authentication, etc), and isn't worth it for the conceptual overhead. I read the

Re: [Webware-discuss] Zope vs Webware (Not Really)

2003-06-11 Thread Roger Haase
--- Chris Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting ready to build a large webbased application. I am set on python (still wondering how to make installation easy) and am deciding between Zope and Webware. I have developed many Zope applications, but new to Webware. I am well aware