Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: playbackRate is the right way to do it, but maybe Firefox doesn't yet support it. So can I assume HTML5 spec also allow playbackRate to be negative value. ie to support go backward at various speed Thanks ~Biju

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: playbackRate is the right way to do it, but maybe Firefox doesn't yet support it. So can I assume HTML5 spec also allow playbackRate to be negative value. ie to support

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-07 Thread Tim Starling
Robert O'Callahan wrote: That would be nice to have. Unfortunately DirectShow and Quicktime do not seem to expose the ability to enumerate supported codecs, so it might be hard to implement for some browsers. As things stand, you can use source elements to offer different formats, and you

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-07 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Aug 7, 2008, at 09:53, Tim Starling wrote: xiphQtVersion = videoElt.GetComponentVersion('imdc','XiTh', 'Xiph'); This kind of FourCC use is exactly the kind of thing I meant earlier when I asked if the MIME stuff is really the best match for frameworks. -- Henri Sivonen [EMAIL

Re: [whatwg] Workers feedback

2008-08-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008, Aaron Boodman wrote: I am opposed to the utils object. I don't see any precedent for this anywhere, and it just feels ugly to me. I liked it the way you had it before, with these APIs in a shared base interface. Ok. I don't have an opinion on this. Jonas? In the

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Chris Double
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: playbackRate is the right way to do it, but maybe Firefox doesn't yet support it. So can I assume

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Maik Merten
Chris Double schrieb: Given that codecs are often highly optimized for forward playback the cost in memory can be excessive to go the other way. Could there be a possibility to say 'reverse playback not supported'? This may be needed anyway, given that with streaming media you can't reverse

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-07 Thread Tim Starling
Henri Sivonen wrote: On Aug 7, 2008, at 09:53, Tim Starling wrote: xiphQtVersion = videoElt.GetComponentVersion('imdc','XiTh', 'Xiph'); This kind of FourCC use is exactly the kind of thing I meant earlier when I asked if the MIME stuff is really the best match for frameworks.

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
I suggest that the spec allows raising the NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR exception in response to any playback rate which it cannot provide for the current configuration. With a netcast you couldn't support any playback rate except 1.0 without first buffering all the data you want to play at a faster rate, so

Re: [whatwg] Setting the title attribute

2008-08-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
Robert O'Callahan wrote: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#dom-tree 1. If the |title| element http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-title1 is null, then a new |title http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#title1| element must be created and appended to the |head|

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Chris Double
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: On Firefox I tried changing playbackRate attribute by Markup as well as script, but did not see any effect. playbackRate is not yet supported by the Ogg backend. The build I have on my site with the

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-07 Thread Tim Starling
Mikko Rantalainen wrote: Tim Starling wrote: Henri Sivonen wrote: On Aug 7, 2008, at 09:53, Tim Starling wrote: xiphQtVersion = videoElt.GetComponentVersion('imdc','XiTh', 'Xiph'); This kind of FourCC use is exactly the kind of thing I meant earlier when

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-07 Thread Jeremy Doig
how would this work (say) for different avc profile levels and features (eg: PAFF support) ?would we require video creators to know the specific capabilities of every fourCC target ? On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Tim Starling [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Mikko Rantalainen wrote: Tim Starling

Re: [whatwg] Workers feedback

2008-08-07 Thread Chris Prince
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Chris Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My current thinking is that the best API design for createWorker() is: MessagePort createWorker(worker_body, [WorkerOptions]) The reason: workers are a powerful concept, and it's very likely we'll want to extend

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Ralph Giles
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Philip Jägenstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest that the spec allows raising the NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR exception in response to any playback rate which it cannot provide for the current configuration. That sounds reasonable. It is a special effect. With a

Re: [whatwg] Workers feedback

2008-08-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
Aaron Boodman wrote: That's also one reason why I like having a separate Worker object and having the two-step process of creating the worker, then sending it a message. It means that creating a new channel to a worker is always the same. Hixie asked me on IRC why I didn't like the MessagePort

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Dave Singer
At 20:10 +1200 7/08/08, Chris Double wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: playbackRate is the right way to do it, but maybe

Re: [whatwg] Workers feedback

2008-08-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2008, Aaron Boodman wrote: I am opposed to the utils object. I don't see any precedent for this anywhere, and it just feels ugly to me. I liked it the way you had it before, with these APIs in a shared base interface. Ok. I don't have an opinion on this.

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
Dave Singer wrote: At 20:10 +1200 7/08/08, Chris Double wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: playbackRate is the right way to do

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-07 Thread Dave Singer
I think this is a good idea, but one rapidly runs into the problems talked about in the 'bucket' RFC, notably that there is not a universal language for naming codecs (4ccs etc). But it's proved useful in the past. In general, the source fallbacks are also a way to 'probe' this, albeit in a

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Dave Singer
At 12:11 -0700 7/08/08, Jonas Sicking wrote: Dave Singer wrote: At 20:10 +1200 7/08/08, Chris Double wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Singer wrote: At 20:10 +1200 7/08/08, Chris Double wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread Dave Singer
At 12:23 -0700 7/08/08, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: I don't think turning sound off is a good idea. well, the alternative is throwing a Not_supported error and not even showing the video. So, I still feel that for a/v movies, reversing the sound should be permitted but not required.

Re: [whatwg] Workers feedback

2008-08-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: We make the createWorker() methods return a Worker object, but the Worker object _inherits_ from MessagePort. So effectively it is a port, but we can move the onload and onerror stuff to the Worker object instead of having them on all

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 : Misconceptions Documented

2008-08-07 Thread Garrett Smith
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Thomas Broyer wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: I think Web IDL should provide a formalism to cater to this, because nearly all bindings with special

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 : Misconceptions Documented

2008-08-07 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Thomas Broyer wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: I think Web IDL should provide a formalism to cater

Re: [whatwg] Workers feedback

2008-08-07 Thread Chris Prince
Would it be better if instead of createWorker() we called the method connectToWorker(), and it creates it as well if the worker is unnamed or doesn't yet exist? That sounds pretty good to me.

Re: [whatwg] pushState

2008-08-07 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:47:24 +0200, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I think keeping the URL is fine. We can never entirely prevent pages from having bugs. But instead encourage the safe transitions, and always use safe-looking transitions in examples in the spec. FWIW, I

[whatwg] HTML 5 : Misconceptions Documented

2008-08-07 Thread Garrett Smith
(put back on list, forgot to reply-all) On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Thomas Broyer wrote:

Re: [whatwg] Setting the title attribute

2008-08-07 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if we make the changes discussed to the mutation events spec, we can consider setting the title a compound operation. This means that mutation events won't fire until the above algorithm is fully done, so any

Re: [whatwg] Video : Slow motion, fast forward effects

2008-08-07 Thread WeBMartians
The big VoDS (Broadbus/Motorola, SeaChange, Arroyo...) do not offer audio when the play rate is anything other than +1.0. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Fraser Sent: Thursday, 2008 August 07 18:52 To: Charles Iliya Krempeaux

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-07 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Tim Starling [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: DirectShow and QuickTime can add those interfaces at a later date. When the backends develop this capability, there should be a standard way to go the next step and expose it to JavaScript. Otherwise every implementor will

Re: [whatwg] Workers feedback

2008-08-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: We make the createWorker() methods return a Worker object, but the Worker object _inherits_ from MessagePort. So effectively it is a port, but we can move the onload and onerror stuff to the Worker object instead of having them on