Re: [whatwg] additional key attribute in form field

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Alexander wrote: i wonder why there's still no a special 'key' attribute for every form field implemented. Basically the answer is because it can already be done with name. On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Alexander wrote: Of course, it's how I usually do this :) But I would not

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] action=mailto: - encoding spaces

2008-10-29 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:01:33 -0400, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Shadow2531 wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#for-mailto http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#x-www-form-urlencoded (#4) In mailto URIs, %20 represents a

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] action=mailto: - encoding spaces

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Michael A. Puls II wrote: Question though. What about the method=POST case where the query string is kept? For example: form action=mailto:?subject=1+2; method=POST input type=text name=body value=1+2 input type=text name=other value=1 2 input

Re: [whatwg] Web forms 2, input type suggestions (Michael A. Puls II)

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Alex Vincent wrote: I've held off on commenting about the new types suggested for input so far, but I should mention this: Web Forms 2 as it currently stands has twenty-four different types of input elements. Ten from HTML 4, fourteen new ones in this spec. Please,

Re: [whatwg] [Web Forms 2.0] 2.3. Extensions to the select element - comment proposal

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Garrett Smith wrote: Currently there is a problem in at least Firefox, and I can't remember about IE. If no OPTION has selected attribute, then Firefox will select the first option in the list. If the first option is selected, it's selected attribute will be true and

Re: [whatwg] successful form controls

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Garrett Smith wrote: I found a few mistakes in the spec. === 5.1. Successful form controls The controls that are successful are those that are included in the submission (in the form data set) when their form is

Re: [whatwg] WebSocket support in HTML5

2008-10-29 Thread Richard's Hotmail
Hi Philipp, After all, more or less the only situation you'd want to use UDP Wrong. But then personally, I'd use UDP for server-generated events, and something other than a context-devoid, connection-less, session-hijackable, bollocks protocol as my middleware backbone; I am clearly 180 degrees

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-10-29 Thread Richard's Hotmail
Hi Maciej, Does OS X (or the iPhone for that matter) support Java 6 yet? And were all these security bug reports you keep seeing to do with Java in general, or the Apple version in particular? Would Strict Same Origin policy not be useful as an optional (perhaps default) configuration? Cheers

Re: [whatwg] WebSocket websocket-origin

2008-10-29 Thread Richard's Hotmail
Hear! Hear! - Original Message - From: Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WHATWG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] WebSocket websocket-origin Anne van Kesteren wrote: What is the reason for doing

Re: [whatwg] Simplified WebSockets

2008-10-29 Thread Richard's Hotmail
Hi Shannon, In the absence of Socket Policy Files, this is a good fallback position; the shorter the handshake, the better. Cheers Richard Maher - Original Message - From: Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WHAT working group whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:04 PM

Re: [whatwg] WebSocket and proxies

2008-10-29 Thread Richard's Hotmail
Hi Shannon, Bummer :-( Please don't give up! Sorry if this is a really stupid question (my knowledge of proxy-servers is minimal) but what issues are involved here that have not been solved with a product such as Orbited? http://www.orbited.org/ Look, I've never used it but, if I understand it

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] action=mailto: - encoding spaces

2008-10-29 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:42:17 -0400, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Michael A. Puls II wrote: Question though. What about the method=POST case where the query string is kept? For example: form action=mailto:?subject=1+2; method=POST input type=text name=body

[whatwg] Select elements and radio button/checkbox groups [Was: Form Control Group Labels]

2008-10-29 Thread Markus Ernst
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Markus Ernst wrote: [...] I consider a total re-thinking of select, input type=checkbox and input type=radio elements as highly desirable, though I see that this might cause more serious backwards compatiblity problems than for example removing the

[whatwg] Offline Cache iframe inheritance

2008-10-29 Thread Honza Bambas
The spec says when an iframe (a child browsing context) doesn't refer a manifest in the html tag it has to inherit cache from its parent's document. 1. This should be restricted to the same origin because when an offline application loads in an iframe a site (an advertisement or what ever

Re: [whatwg] Select elements and radio button/checkbox groups [Was: Form Control Group Labels]

2008-10-29 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Markus Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider a form with some quite big radio button groups, and now you have do add some more options. After you are done, your boss says: Ok, great work... but this looks too ugly now, just change it into those dropdown kind

[whatwg] Early feedback on header association algorithm

2008-10-29 Thread Aaron Leventhal
1. On this part: If there is a header cell in the table http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tabular-data.html#concept-table whose corresponding |th http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tabular-data.html#the-th-element| element has an ID

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Jonas Sicking
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After thinking about this, I'm not sure that limiting playback to a section of a media file will be used very often. A developer can easily script the same functionality as long as they don't use the

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Mittwoch, den 29.10.2008, 11:16 -0700 schrieb Jonas Sicking: Maciej (and I think others) have suggested that it would be useful if it was possible to allow audio to be used such that a single file can be downloaded that contains multiple sound effects, and then use javascript to play

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej (and I think others) have suggested that it would be useful if it was possible to allow audio to be used such that a single file can be downloaded that contains multiple sound effects, and then use javascript to

Re: [whatwg] Early feedback on header association algorithm

2008-10-29 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The problem of table header identifiers is a reflection a general problem of locality in markup: you cannot use templates without renaming the identifiers, which is the easy part, and replacing the internal references to the identifiers, which is the hard part. If you find this remark silly

[whatwg] Implement XMLHttpRequest interface subset on HTMLDocument

2008-10-29 Thread Weston Ruter
I realized that the HTTP response headers exposed in the HTMLDocument interface http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#htmldocument are limited: referrer, cookie, lastModified, charset, characterSet. It would be very useful if a script could get *all* of the response headers, the raw entity body, and

Re: [whatwg] Implement XMLHttpRequest interface subset on HTMLDocument

2008-10-29 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
What should the property HTMLDocument.responseXML represent? Chris _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weston Ruter Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ian Hickson; Anne van Kesteren Subject: [whatwg] Implement

Re: [whatwg] Implement XMLHttpRequest interface subset on HTMLDocument

2008-10-29 Thread Weston Ruter
If the interface were implemented as-is, document.responseXML would just be a reference back to the document object. So if the document is XML, then document === document.responseXML On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Kristof Zelechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What should the property

Re: [whatwg] Implement XMLHttpRequest interface subset onHTMLDocument

2008-10-29 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The meaning of HTMLDocument.responseXML looks a bit strange and unexpected: a property of an object bound to the object itself by definition. I would suggest leaving that one out. Chris _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weston Ruter Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kristof Zelechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Multiple AUDIO elements require one request per element unless they refer to the same stream or they use the data URL scheme, or the whole page is packaged as multipart/mixed, which would indeed be nice for such

Re: [whatwg] Implement XMLHttpRequest interface subset onHTMLDocument

2008-10-29 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Providing the original document tree before transformation in HTMLDocument.responseXML makes sense. In that case, the Document returned should be immutable, just as a DOMString is; I am not sure how to declare it in IDL. Chris _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
There are multiple ways to encapsulate heterogeneous data in documents: application resources (the res URL scheme), file archives (jar, zip, shar, tar, whatever). Of those possibilities, MIME is most Web-friendly IMHO, although the downside is that the transmitted resource grows. This should not

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow block content inside label element

2008-10-29 Thread Křištof Želechovski
Of course, a Windows check box label corresponds to nothing in HTML! I have extrapolated Windows GUI where a check box has a TITLE. This Windows TITLE property has no counterpart in HTML. Sorry for the confusion. I should have added Please answer yes or no because I would like to have a

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow block content inside label element

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Křištof Želechovski wrote: Of course, a Windows check box label corresponds to nothing in HTML! This is incorrect. A Windows checkbox label corresponds to the contents of a label element associated with an input type=checkbox element. Do you think the Internet Explorer

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow block content inside label element

2008-10-29 Thread Křištof Želechovski
We have a different opinion on what corresponds means. A label in HTML is detached, both logically and graphically, while a TITLE in Windows GUI is attached. You can translate from Windows GUI to HTML - but this direction is not interesting; you cannot translate from HTML to Windows GUI, at

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Allow block content inside label element

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Křištof Želechovski wrote: We have a different opinion on what corresponds means. A label in HTML is detached, both logically and graphically, while a TITLE in Windows GUI is attached. You can translate from Windows GUI to HTML - but this direction is not interesting;

Re: [whatwg] Early feedback on header association algorithm

2008-10-29 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I shall try to explain the general problem in more detail. Suppose you have a template that inserts a table T into the Web page, and some elements in the table have identifiers. It is not a safe operation because the identifiers can conflict with element identifiers on the containing page, or

Re: [whatwg] Early feedback on header association algorithm

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: I shall try to explain the general problem in more detail. Suppose you have a template that inserts a table T into the Web page, and some elements in the table have identifiers. It is not a safe operation because the identifiers can conflict

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Chris Double
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Eduard Pascual [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't multiple audio elements be better here? I can see use cases where multiple audio elements might not be as useful as one containing multiple samples. I might have a single audio file containing 500 'parts of

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Donnerstag, den 30.10.2008, 13:19 +1300 schrieb Chris Double: I'm not sure that type of use case is very likely though. In my JavaScript 8080 emulator Wait, what ?

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Chris Double
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that type of use case is very likely though. In my JavaScript 8080 emulator Wait, what ? http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/js8080 Needs a fast modern browser with recent canvas support. Webkit and Firefox

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Jonas Sicking
Eduard Pascual wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej (and I think others) have suggested that it would be useful if it was possible to allow audio to be used such that a single file can be downloaded that contains multiple sound effects, and then

Re: [whatwg] Web forms 2, input type suggestions (Michael A. Puls II)

2008-10-29 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Declare INPUT[type=mailing-list] instead of INPUT[type=emails], please. Type=emails is ugly and confusing (as it seems to expect messages). ... emails is indeed ugly, but mailing-list would be even worse. A mailing list usually has a

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eduard Pascual wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej (and I think others) have suggested that it would be useful if it was possible to allow audio to be used such that a

Re: [whatwg] Web forms 2, input type suggestions (Michael A. Puls II)

2008-10-29 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Declare INPUT[type=mailing-list] instead of INPUT[type=emails], please. Type=emails is ugly and confusing (as it seems to expect messages). ... emails is

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole idea was to make a single HTTP request to the server. Doesn't seem like your proposal accomplishes that. Indeed, it doesn't. It doesn't seem that the recent messages mentioned that need neither. Anyway, for the

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms: change event

2008-10-29 Thread Garrett Smith
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Sander wrote: The specs say that for select ...the change event shall be fired when the selection is completed Does this mean that, when using a keyboard for navigation, the change event is fired when the user hits 'enter' or when she navigates from

Re: [whatwg] Web forms 2, input type suggestions (Michael A. Puls II)

2008-10-29 Thread timeless
On 10/30/08, Eduard Pascual [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Declare INPUT[type=mailing-list] instead of INPUT[type=emails], please. Type=emails is ugly and

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-29 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Oct 29, 2008, at 18:34, Silvia Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eduard Pascual wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Jonas Sicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej (and I think others) have suggested that it