Re: [whatwg] Do we really need a device element?

2010-06-14 Thread James Salsman
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:36 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: ... I [was] persuaded that the device element is unnecessary, given recent announcements for the accept=...;source=... type specification proposed by Android and Firefox developers.  Does anyone have any reasons to the

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM, TAMURA, Kent tk...@chromium.org wrote: There are some objections against omitting invisible controls from form validation. However, it is a real issue with existing sites and users

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-14 Thread Ola P. Kleiven
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:41:40 +0200, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM, TAMURA, Kent tk...@chromium.org wrote: There are some objections against omitting invisible controls from form validation. However, it is a real issue with existing sites and

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Ola P. Kleiven wrote: The following sites have workarounds in Opera's browser.js to allow form submit: airgreenland.com (using required on hidden elements) barnesandnoble.com (using required on visible elements that are supposed to be empty on submit...)

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-14 Thread Michelangelo De Simone
Il giorno 14/giu/2010, alle ore 12.40, Ian Hickson ha scritto: Incorrect use of required in HTML4-era documents also seems to be the common problem Chrome ran into -- at the risk of starting a bikeshed discussion, does anyone have any good suggestions for alternative names? I believe

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:22:03 +0200, Aaron Boodman a...@google.com wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Lachlan Hunt lachlan.h...@lachy.id.au wrote: meta name=application-name content=... You're right -- that one does exist already within the page. And it is a shame to waste these existing

[whatwg] Is there a way to stop scrolling when pressing directional arrows?

2010-06-14 Thread Carlos Andrés Solís
Hello! I've been noticing a problem in many HTML5 test apps, very especially games. When the directional arrow buttons are pressed, the screen scrolls. This is a problem that, as far as I know, Flash had solved by changing the focus of the application to the app. Is this doable in HTML5? - Carlos

Re: [whatwg] Is there a way to stop scrolling when pressing directional arrows?

2010-06-14 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 13:38 -0600, Carlos Andrés Solís wrote: Hello! I've been noticing a problem in many HTML5 test apps, very especially games. When the directional arrow buttons are pressed, the screen scrolls. This is a problem that, as far as I know, Flash had solved by changing the

Re: [whatwg] Is there a way to stop scrolling when pressing directional arrows?

2010-06-14 Thread Gordon P. Hemsley
For what it's worth, I am actually of the opposite opinion, Ash. I like it when Flash steals the focus of the keyboard, and here's why: Besides the arrow keys, which are available to everyone, I also use the Find As You Type feature in Firefox. However, that usually means that I can't play any

Re: [whatwg] Is there a way to stop scrolling when pressing directional arrows?

2010-06-14 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 15:58 -0400, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: For what it's worth, I am actually of the opposite opinion, Ash. I like it when Flash steals the focus of the keyboard, and here's why: Besides the arrow keys, which are available to everyone, I also use the Find As You Type

Re: [whatwg] Is there a way to stop scrolling when pressing directional arrows?

2010-06-14 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:38:07 +0100, Carlos Andrés Solís csol...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I've been noticing a problem in many HTML5 test apps, very especially games. When the directional arrow buttons are pressed, the screen scrolls. This is a problem that, as far as I know, Flash had

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-14 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:40 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Ola P. Kleiven wrote: The following sites have workarounds in Opera's browser.js to allow form submit: airgreenland.com (using required on hidden elements) barnesandnoble.com (using required on visible elements that

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-14 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:44:09 +0100, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Agreed on both accounts. Both these suggestions add a lot of complexity to the platform and we should avoid it if at all possible. To the extent that if there is lots of broken sites out there because they happen to use

Re: [whatwg] Is there a way to stop scrolling when pressing directional arrows?

2010-06-14 Thread Simon Pieters
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:16:13 +0200, Kornel Lesinski kor...@geekhood.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:38:07 +0100, Carlos Andrés Solís csol...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I've been noticing a problem in many HTML5 test apps, very especially games. When the directional arrow buttons are

Re: [whatwg] Is there a way to stop scrolling when pressing directional arrows?

2010-06-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:16:13 +0200, Kornel Lesinski kor...@geekhood.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:38:07 +0100, Carlos Andrés Solís csol...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I've been noticing a problem in many HTML5 test apps,

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-06-14 Thread Bjorn Bringert
Based on the feedback in this thread we've worked out a new speech input proposal that adds a @speech attribute to most input elements, instead of a new input type=speech. Please see http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcfg79pz_5dhnp23f5 for the new proposal. /Bjorn Bringert Satish Sampath --