Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-04 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:40:30 +0100, John Foliot fol...@wats.ca wrote: One of the largest problems with longdesc is/was that HTML4 did not clearly articulate how user-agents should interact with the attribute (expectations), so browsers did nothing. Let's learn from our earlier mistakes.

Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-04 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On 2011-04-02 10:30, John Foliot wrote: Interesting question. Referring to the spec, I think that you may have in fact uncovered a bug in the text. The spec states: The user agent should allow the user to request that the details be shown or hidden. The problem (or potential problem)

Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-04 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Lachlan Hunt wrote: If details default Boolean setting of 'hidden' results in the equivalent of CSS's {display:none;} (where the content is taken completely out of the page flow, both visually and in the DOM tree) then this would likely be a possible alternative to @longdesc Yes, it should be

Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 4/4/11, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Yes, it should be implemented equivalent to display:none. Please clarify. You seem to by trying to express it very briefly, at the cost of change of meaning. You don't really mean that the entire details element

Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-03 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 4/2/11, John Foliot fol...@wats.ca wrote: Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: As I understand details, it's for hiding the information contained within from users, but rendering it on command. Correct, but it is the definition of 'hiding' that is under discussion here. If it is just 'tucked away'

[whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-02 Thread Bruce Lawson
From a comment in a blog post of mine about longdesc (http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/longdesc-in-html5/comment-page-1/#comment-749853) I'm wondering if this is an appropriate used of details details summary img src=chart.png alt=Graph of percentage of total U.S. non-institutionalized

Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-02 Thread John Foliot
Bruce Lawson wrote: I'm wondering if this is an appropriate used of details snip .. thereby acting as a discoverable-by-anyone longdesc. (The example is adapted from the longdesc example at http://webaim.org/techniques/images/longdesc#longdesc) Note to grumpy people: I'm not trying to

Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-02 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 4/2/11, John Foliot fol...@wats.ca wrote: Bruce Lawson wrote: I'm wondering if this is an appropriate used of details snip .. thereby acting as a discoverable-by-anyone longdesc. (The example is adapted from the longdesc example at

Re: [whatwg] details for long description of image/ video etc

2011-04-02 Thread John Foliot
Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: As I understand details, it's for hiding the information contained within from users, but rendering it on command. Correct, but it is the definition of 'hiding' that is under discussion here. If it is just 'tucked away' but still in the page flow, is it really