To: Křištof Želechovski
Cc: 'WHAT Working Group Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Where did the rev attribute go?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Křištof Želechovski wrote:
Automatic: class=A-N means A N. No spec needed.
E.g.: class=red-herring means a red herring, and class=important-news
means
some
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Křištof Želechovski wrote:
Automatic: class=A-N means A N. No spec needed.
E.g.: class=red-herring means a red herring, and class=important-news means
some important news.
I don't understand this post; please let me know if it was requesting a
change to the spec (ideally
This e-mail consists of replies to a few e-mails on the subject of links
and link relationship types. No changes were made to the spec in response
to these e-mails; if you reply, please indicate if you think something
needs to change in the spec. Thanks!
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, Charles Iliya
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
On 7/11/06, Matthew Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about the element that has the ID that's in the URL in the |href|
attribute? That would take you directly to the element in question. I
think |xml:id| is pretty much a standard now.
Yeah, that would
On Jul 13, 2006, at 2:57 AM, Robin Lionheart wrote:
...
Do the benefits of the computer having such knowledge outweigh the
cost of the human labor required to mark up names?
Good question. I expect many Web authors would not avail themselves of
the option of using name even if it were
Hi,
From: Matthew Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you're just trying to link to a collection of elements, it
actually makes more sense to use an attribute that takes an XPath
expression as a value.
The XPointer xpointer() Scheme comes to mind.
http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr-xpointer/
Regards,
(Surely there's a good reason CSS3 Speech has interpret-as: name
and VoiceXML has interpret-as=name)
The interpret-as property has been temporarily dropped until the
Voice Browser working group has further progressed work on the SSML
say-as element.
...says the latest CCS3 Speech WD.
On Jul 12, 2006, at 00:52, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
Creating the standard is a somewhat arbitrury process. And
requires humans to do it.
Although with opaque semantics, like the rel name matching the
class name, you don't need a human intervention to parse much of it.
You don't
Henri Sivonen wrote:
And then what? Why is it useful that a computer knows that a string on
a Web page is a human name?
Off the top of my head, a couple possible benefits of tagging proper names:
* smarter search engines
(nameBill Gates/name is not the words bill and gates. Could
be
Hello Matthew,On 7/11/06, Matthew Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello Matthew, That clears things up a bit. But, if the intent is to really get rid of confusion thenThere's actually 2 things I noticed confuse people.
#1: That the label you pick for the rel
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
Perhaps I can illustrate what I mean with an example.
(But first note that people can make up their own values for rel and
rev. But anyways, here's the example.)
Let's say in a page, I have the following HTML code...
li class=xoxo shows
lia rel=show
Hello Matthew,On 7/11/06, Matthew Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Perhaps I can illustrate what I mean with an example. (But first note that people can make up their own values for rel and rev.But anyways, here's the example.)
Let's say in a page, I have the
Hello Matthew,That clears things up a bit.But, if the intent is to really get rid of confusion then There's actually 2 things I noticed confuse people.#1: That the label you pick for the rel (or rev) needs to be a noun. (I do understand why... at least I think I do... so that you can use the
You make the argument that people might be using |rev| intentionally
for some values and the the statistical method used by Goggle doesn't
make that determination. Let's look at the two most common uses.
If you look at |rev=made|, the most common use of |rev|, it's
pretty clear that the use
Hello,On 7/5/06, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Tore Eriksson wrote:[...] As for myself, I use the rev attribute in an internal project (sorry,
no link) at work. I have to agree with Charles/Iliya that the recognition of rev is probably going up in the future if the
On 7/5/06, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(This data is based on a crawl of approximately one billion documents.)
Could you give us some pointers to this software?
Could you give us pointers to that data?
--
Hugh Winkler
Wellstorm Development
http://www.wellstorm.com/
+1
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Hugh Winkler wrote:
On 7/5/06, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(This data is based on a crawl of approximately one billion documents.)
Could you give us some pointers to this software?
Could you give us pointers to that data?
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
What happened to the rev attribute?
The problem with the rev attribute is that it's difficult for authors to
understand the concept of a reverse link relationship; and compared with
rel, it's hardly ever used.
There's only one use of rev that I'm aware of
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
What happened to the rev attribute?
It got removed. For the reasoning see:
http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/linkrels.html
Basically, nearly nobody was using it, and almost all those that were were
using it incorrectly. This
Hello Lachlan,On 7/5/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: What happened to the rev attribute?The problem with the rev attribute is that it's difficult for authors tounderstand the concept of a reverse link relationship; and compared with
rel, it's hardly ever
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
It would be a shame to get rid of it now, now that web developers are
starting to become semantically minded.
On the contrary, I would argue that we should get rid of it as fast as
possible, so that we don't scare away authors who are
Hello everybody.
Regarding usage of rev, I would like to point out the RDF/A proposal
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa-syntax.html
where they use rev to incorporate RDF into (X)HTML documents. As for
myself, I use the rev attribute in an internal project (sorry, no link)
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Tore Eriksson wrote:
Regarding usage of rev, I would like to point out the RDF/A proposal
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa-syntax.html
where they use rev to incorporate RDF into (X)HTML documents.
RDF/A is an utter disaster and not a valid use case
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