[whatwg] end body tag parsing clarification

2008-11-05 Thread Tommy Thorsen
I've been looking at the parsing chapter of the HTML5 specification, and I've found something which I don't think makes sense. The last two sentences in the 'An end tag whose tag name is body' section in the in body insertion mode says: Switch the insertion mode to after body. Otherwise,

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2008-11-05 Thread Pentasis
The HTML5 spec is open to feedback from linguists, typographers and content creators. I would agree we should particularly give consideration to people with those backgrounds with regards to issues of semantics. On the other hand, there is not total freedom here because some choices will

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2008-11-05 Thread Martin McEvoy
Sam Kuper wrote: 2008/11/5 Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] closely followed by the Mosaic Web Browser[1] a direct descendant of Firefox Ancestor, surely? LOL yes -- Martin McEvoy http://weborganics.co.uk/

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2008-11-05 Thread Martin McEvoy
timeless wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Berners-Lee apparently when he introduced a bunch of technologies such as HTTP, HTML FTP, IP TCIP and others and called it the World Wide Web, closely followed by the Mosaic Web Browser[1] a direct

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2008-11-05 Thread Pentasis
The emphasis of the HTML5 spec (but also the XHTML2 and HTML4) lies on the browser part. I understand, after all that is your job and I am sure you are all very capable of that. HTML5's emphasis appears to be on the browser part only because that part is more complex than other parts. (I

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2008-11-05 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:46, Pentasis wrote: var is the best example I think. Why var but not function operator operand etc. etc. etc.? And if code gets this attention why not language? (verb, noun etc. etc.) If we do it like that it would never work. var, cite and dfn (and, one might

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2008-11-05 Thread Markus Ernst
Pentasis schrieb: The HTML5 spec is open to feedback from linguists, typographers and content creators. I would agree we should particularly give consideration to people with those backgrounds with regards to issues of semantics. On the other hand, there is not total freedom here because

Re: [whatwg] SPOOFED: Re: ---

2008-11-05 Thread Markus Ernst
Pentasis schrieb: This I understand, and I can even sympathise with it. However, I do hope that at least they will take this issue seriously and at least try to build in something that will enable us to work on that part of the spec independantly later on. I still think that the semantic part

Re: [whatwg] SPOOFED: Re: SPOOFED: Re: ---

2008-11-05 Thread Pentasis
Pentasis schrieb: This I understand, and I can even sympathise with it. However, I do hope that at least they will take this issue seriously and at least try to build in something that will enable us to work on that part of the spec independantly later on. I still think that the semantic

Re: [whatwg] SPOOFED: Re: ---

2008-11-05 Thread Pentasis
I made the experience when I suggested a new set of form elements, that I did not get much response on those contributions. The same might happen to your suggestions, as they are on a more basic level, than the HTML5 works act on. I don't think you can blame the people working on HTML5 for

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2008-11-05 Thread Leons Petrazickis
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure whether I understand you correctly... Of course the practical use of a specification lies in its technical implementations, or do you disagree with that? You are free to specify your own markup language, but it

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] |min| and |max| number of selected |option|s

2008-11-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 31 May 2008, Christoph P�per wrote: When using input type=checkbox or select multiple one somtimes wants to limit the number of selected check boxes or options. I have no idea how to model this with |input|, but |select| could adopt the |min| and |max| attributes.

Re: [whatwg] Errormessages in forms

2008-11-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Keryx Web wrote: A simple use case: It is getting quite common to have the following: label for=myfieldInstructions strong class=error Must be a valid value/strong /label input id=myfield etc / But presentationwise it should be displayed like this:

Re: [whatwg] Form submission progress display by UA (incl. file upload)

2008-11-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Mikko Rantalainen wrote: Consider a form with a file input. User selects a huge file and hits submit. Most UAs do not display nothing but an animated throbber until the full submit is done and the download progress bar only starts to do anything after the full submit

Re: [whatwg] Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces

2008-11-05 Thread Alexey Proskuryakov
Nov 5, 2008, в 1:11 AM, Jonas Sicking написал(а): main.js: w = new Worker('worker.js'); p = w.connect(); p.postMessage(17); p.onmessage = function(e) { answer = e.data; } I prefer to think of it as: window.onload = function() { var worker = new Worker('encrypt.js'); var workerPort

Re: [whatwg] SPOOFED: Re: SPOOFED: Re: ---

2008-11-05 Thread Pentasis
This would only work in new browsers and is wordy: reference class=abbreviation ttle=some descriptionsomeword/reference. It doesn't add any extra information. It's harder to use. Conceptually, it may be more elegant, but conceptual elegance is not an impetus for large scale adoptions. In my

Re: [whatwg] Errormessages in forms

2008-11-05 Thread Oldřich Vetešník
Dne Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:32:41 +0100 Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] napsal/-a: What's wrong with?: label Instructions input name=idfield ... strong class=error Must be a valid value /strong /label Hello, let me just react on this, first of all I don't mind using this

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface

2008-11-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Samuel Santos wrote: This is a problem for the input element with type=file. If the language selected in his profile is, e.g. portuguese, and the language in the browser is english (the default), he will see all the application in portuguese and the input file browse

Re: [whatwg] Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces

2008-11-05 Thread Aaron Boodman
Jonas, Hixie, and I talked about this yesterday on IRC (logs start here: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20081104#l-575 and go into the next day). Jonas is still against removing postMessage/onmessage from the Worker interface in favor of connect() only. Also, several people feel like

Re: [whatwg] SPOOFED: Re: SPOOFED: Re: ---

2008-11-05 Thread Philipp Serafin
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Leons Petrazickis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It matters in the sense that web browsers would have to implement both approaches for backwards compatibility. This depends what you mean when talking about implementing a tag. Browsers already load all tags and

Re: [whatwg] Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces

2008-11-05 Thread Alexey Proskuryakov
Nov 5, 2008, в 11:06 PM, Aaron Boodman написал(а): Jonas, Hixie, and I talked about this yesterday on IRC (logs start here: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20081104#l-575 and go into the next day). ... * Remove startConversation() from the Worker interface * Remove the port property

Re: [whatwg] Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces

2008-11-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Aaron Boodman wrote: In light of both of these, I have a new proposal for how to simplify/combine these two interfaces. Here are the deltas from the current spec: * Remove startConversation() from the Worker interface And from MessagePort, presumably? * Remove the

Re: [whatwg] Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces

2008-11-05 Thread Jonas Sicking
Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: Nov 5, 2008, в 11:06 PM, Aaron Boodman написал(а): Jonas, Hixie, and I talked about this yesterday on IRC (logs start here: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20081104#l-575 and go into the next day). ... * Remove startConversation() from the Worker interface

Re: [whatwg] Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces

2008-11-05 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: * Remove the port property from the SharedWorker interface and give it a postMessage and onmessage just like dedicated workers have. I really don't like this. With (Dedicated)Worker it makes sense because both sides bury the underlying message channel and ports and so

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface

2008-11-05 Thread Samuel Santos
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Samuel Santos wrote: I find it very hard to convince some clients that in order to have the browse button in their language they must configure their browsers. The vast majority of them don't even

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2008-11-05 Thread Eduard Pascual
First of all, I want to apologize. I'm quite afraid that the explosion of frustration and disappointment on my last message to this list was one of the triggers (if not the only or main one) igniting the conflict here. I'm really sorry for that: my only intention when joined this list was to

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface

2008-11-05 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Samuel Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Samuel Santos wrote: I find it very hard to convince some clients that in order to have the browse button in their language

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface

2008-11-05 Thread Samuel Santos
Ian, If changing the button text can be a security issue (e.g. induce the user to an action that he's not aware of), we can come up with some solutions. What about allowing the Author to change the control's locale? By doing so, the UA can then render the button with the same locale as the

[whatwg] Fwd: Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface

2008-11-05 Thread Eduard Pascual
LOL forgot to add the whatwg list to the To: field ^^; -- Forwarded message -- From: Eduard Pascual [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface To: Samuel Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [whatwg] Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces

2008-11-05 Thread Alexey Proskuryakov
Nov 6, 2008, в 2:18 AM, Jonas Sicking написал(а): Similarly, having separate interfaces for Worker and SharedWorker implies that there is some fundamental difference in their behavior - a difference that eludes me so far. A shared worker is shared between all scripts on a single site[*]