Re: [whatwg] New approach to activities/intents

2014-11-13 Thread Jonas Sicking
Hi Anne, Great to see that this is being worked on! And it's great to see that it enables integration with built-in share functionality provided by the UA. I also *really* like the idea of integrating with save as and input type=file. However there's a couple of use cases that seems good to

Re: [whatwg] New approach to activities/intents

2014-11-13 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net writes: I just checked WHATWG HTML5 and rel=bookmark isn't there at all (I didn't check W3C HTML5 though). The section on the bookmark link type in WHATWG HTML can be found here: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#link-type-bookmark The

Re: [whatwg] New approach to activities/intents

2014-11-13 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net writes: Which brings another issue, how far is too far? Should the naming be standardized as well? Right click a URL on a page and what do you see? Chrome shows Copy link adress Firefox shows Bookmark This Link and Copy Link Location IE shows Add to

[whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Evan Stade
Hi, Chrome already ignores the prevalent autocomplete=off for password fields. We plan to ignore this tag for Autofill (addresses, credit cards) fields as well. autocomplete=off will still be respected for autocomplete data (e.g. past searches on crbug.com). We think this will break a very small

Re: [whatwg] New approach to activities/intents

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-13 18:11, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net writes: I just checked WHATWG HTML5 and rel=bookmark isn't there at all (I didn't check W3C HTML5 though). The section on the bookmark link type in WHATWG HTML can be found here:

Re: [whatwg] New approach to activities/intents

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-13 18:19, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: AFAIK, all of these interface details lie outside the scope of the HTML specification (and rightly so, IMHO). If you need a standard symbol for bookmarks I suggest to use U+1F516 BOOKMARK, which looks like this „“. Then don't spec it but

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-13 20:20, Evan Stade wrote: Currently this new behavior is available behind a flag. We will soon be inverting the flag, so you have to opt into respecting autocomplete=off. I don't like that browsers ignore HTML functionality hints like that. I have one real live use case that

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote: On 2014-11-13 20:20, Evan Stade wrote: Currently this new behavior is available behind a flag. We will soon be inverting the flag, so you have to opt into respecting autocomplete=off. I don't like that browsers

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-14 02:49, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote: I have one real live use case that would be affected by this. http://player.gridstream.org/request/ Unfortunately, even if a couple pages have a legitimate use for a feature,

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Ben Maurer
If the site sets autocomplete=off could you disable the saving of new suggestions? One of the main use cases for turning off autocomplete is to disable the saving of sensitive or irrelevant information. If the user is filling in an address or cc num it's likely they have the opportunity to save

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-14 02:49, Glenn Maynard wrote: Unfortunately, even if a couple pages have a legitimate use for a feature, when countless thousands of pages abuse it, the feature needs to go. The damage to people's day-to-day experience outweighs any benefits by orders of magnitude. Also, banks

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-14 03:57, Ben Maurer wrote: If the site sets autocomplete=off could you disable the saving of new suggestions? One of the main use cases for turning off autocomplete is to disable the saving of sensitive or irrelevant information. If the user is filling in an address or cc num it's

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Glenn Maynard
(Trimming for time and to avoid exploding the thread. Others can respond to the rest if they like.) On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote: Punishing those who do it right because of the stupidity of the many, can't say I'm too thrilled about that. Leaving

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Igor Minar
Are you going to properly fire changeinput events when autofill happens? The current autofill behavior is causing major headaches for application and framework developers and by ignoring autocomplete attribute you disable the only way developers can work around this bug. On angular we had to

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-14 04:30, Glenn Maynard wrote: (Trimming for time and to avoid exploding the thread. Others can respond to the rest if they like.) No it's inherently correct for the use case as listeners tend to enter things like: Could you play Gun's'Rose? Love you show, more

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote: This is getting more off topic but... have you ever typed wrong and now the autocomplete keeps listing your wrong spelling every time? And the only way to fix it is to nuke all your data, there is no way to edit/control

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Evan Stade
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote: On 2014-11-13 20:20, Evan Stade wrote: Currently this new behavior is available behind a flag. We will soon be inverting the flag, so you have to opt into respecting autocomplete=off. I don't like that browsers

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Evan Stade
That sounds like crbug.com/354257 which was fixed in March. Are you sure this is still a problem on newer versions of Chrome? On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Igor Minar imi...@google.com wrote: Are you going to properly fire changeinput events when autofill happens? The current autofill

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2014-11-14 08:02, Evan Stade wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote: On 2014-11-13 20:20, Evan Stade wrote: Currently this new behavior is available behind a flag. We will soon be inverting the flag, so you have to opt into respecting