Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, In my opinion the notability rules for Wikidata need to change. I have created an RFC to reflect this [1]. Thanks, GerardM [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Notability_%26_early_creation_of_Wikidata_items On 11 March 2014 12:36, Joe Filceolaire

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 March 2014 23:28, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: I'd love to know how you think that will happen, in a timely manner, for the kinds of people who use AfC, Where do you see the biggest obstacles right now in the process? Maybe we can identify those and then see if

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread Jane Darnell
Hi Andy, You hit the nail on the head! I have been cataloguing the artists of the Netherlands since 2009 and have created tons of stubs on Wikipedia that now all need to become items on Wikidata. Most of them became items in the Great Item-creation party of the first few months after WD's birth,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: I'm not sugegsting that we make people enter even more information in Wikipedia; I'm suggesting that wikidata would benefit from capturing the data that is /already/ being entered into Wikipedia, not least via AfC,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 12 March 2014 15:00, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sugegsting that we make people enter even more information in Wikipedia; I'm suggesting that wikidata would benefit from capturing the data that is /already/ being entered into Wikipedia, not least via AfC, by the people I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread Dimitris Kontokostas
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:00 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: I'm not sugegsting that we make people enter even more information in Wikipedia; I'm suggesting that wikidata would benefit from capturing

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: What does this have to do with AfC? Indeed, nowhere in your post do you mention AfC, once. Because there is no difference between creating an article through enwiki-AfC or creating an article on any of the other

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 12 March 2014 20:38, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, nowhere in your post do you mention AfC, once. Because there is no difference between creating an article through enwiki-AfC or creating an article on any of the other 270+ language editions of WP. Yes, there is (unless

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-11 Thread Joe Filceolaire
I agree that it makes sense that one of the first things to do when creating a new wikipedia article should be to create an infobox which is automagically linked to the creation of a wikidata item. There are a number of considerations related to this. 1. Notability. The current rules for Wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-11 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that it makes sense that one of the first things to do when creating a new wikipedia article should be to create an infobox which is automagically linked to the creation of a wikidata item. There are a number

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-10 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I have been helping with the backlog of Article for Creation requests on en.Wikipedia. It occurs to me that in doing so I often supply enough data to start a Wikidata entry (or, at least, to pre-populate one for

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 March 2014 07:41, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: I agree with what Gerard wrote. Then please see my response to him. We should be moving away from a world where information is entered on Wikipedia and then in addition on Wikidata. We need to move to a world where

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 March 2014 04:10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: You have it backwards, in my opinion at least. I think that's a rather bold statement, even couched as an opinion. When someone is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, create a Wikidata item and include all the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-10 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 10 March 2014 07:41, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: I agree with what Gerard wrote. Then please see my response to him. We should be moving away from a world where information is entered

[Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-09 Thread Andy Mabbett
I have been helping with the backlog of Article for Creation requests on en.Wikipedia. It occurs to me that in doing so I often supply enough data to start a Wikidata entry (or, at least, to pre-populate one for further editing before saving). Please see :

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You have it backwards, in my opinion at least. When someone is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, create a Wikidata item and include all the pertinent information for that person. You may even be surprised in finding that the person already exists. There are many people from the USA or