Hoi,
At this time, we made big progress by having a policy in place whereby
ISO-639-3 defined languages can gain eligibility from the WMF language
committee. Eligibility to allow the addition of labels in Wikidata without
any requirement for localisation as is per the policy for any other
project.
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes:
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The plan is to ask to enable all eligible languages that have
an Incubator presence for Wikidata first. What needs doing is
for someone to make a list of the languages involved.
Here you go - I extracted all language codes and names
Hoi,
The list I am looking for include only the ones that are eligible. Many in
this list are already supported as well (Indonesian for instance) and there
are also languages in there that are not eligible.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 7 May 2014 11:16, P. Blissenbach pu...@web.de wrote:
Gerard
How is eligible defined in this context? Is there a general list of eligible
languages somewhere?
Or a list of ones not eligible?
Purodha
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes:
Hoi,
The list I am looking for include only the ones that are eligible. Many in this
list are already
Hoi,
A language is eligible in the WMF context when the language committee says
so. You can find a list of languages that were requested on Meta. In
principle a language will be pronounced as eligible when it has an
ISO-639-3 code and when people ask for it.
As you may know, in the past there
Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com writes:
Hi Joe, Magnus, Andrew, GerardM, Jane, Daniel and Wikidatans,
Since Language fallback is not a luxury like it is for
British English, it is essential for all the smaller languages.
It is what prevents it from being editable / usable
Hoi,
There are standards that define British English et al. It makes part of the
ISO codes. We do not have to invent something like ISO 639-3eng.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 May 2014 20:39, Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Joe, Magnus, Andrew, GerardM, Jane, Daniel and
Hoi,
Purodha what you say about Ethnologue is very biases, wrong and often
hardly relevant. When you know your history, Ethnologue was asked if they
would bring in their expertise and system in the ISO processes because the
existing ISO-639-2 was extremely inadequate. When it was included, it
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes:
Hoi,
There are standards that define British English et al.
It makes part of the ISO codes. We do not have to invent
something like ISO 639-3eng.
Indeed.
There is a nice tool maintained by W3C corroborator Richard
Ishida to look up current
Great, Purodha, GerardM and Wikidatans,
I've gathered together some Language Code standardization sources, all
potentially helpful for unfolding good design, here ...
Language Code
Ethnologue
(Ethnologue now uses ISO 639 codes)
http://www.ethnologue.com/browse/codes
ISO 639
(International
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,Purodha what you say about Ethnologue is very biases,
wrong and often hardly relevant.
I am sorry if my contribution was biased. My main goal was to
warn that there are more than 7000-odd languages, extending
ISO 639-3 is time consuming, and
On 4 May 2014 13:17, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Am 04.05.2014 09:00, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com
wrote:
Where are we with fallback languages?
The status is that we have a plan for the next steps.
Am 04.05.2014 22:50, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in
*YOUR*
language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and you will be
prompted to add a label in the named language.
Nice. Label and Description should
Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de writes:
Am 05.05.2014 01:35, schrieb Joe Filceolaire:
I agree with Gerard that you only edit your language label in the 'label'
edit
box. If the label box is showing the label in a fallback language then it
should
be visually different -
Am 05.05.2014 10:41, schrieb P. Blissenbach:
There are two things which are not directly related to variants but imho
could be
fixed in one go with them:
- Entries are using up much too much valuable space. I wish to delete all
whitespace,
and use a more list orientated approach. At least
Hoi,
When you want to do the stuff you are talking about, you do it in Wikidata
in the area where all the aliases, descriptions and stuff is. That is for
that specific item. When you see fall backs in the statement area of an
item, it is a SERVICE that you can add missing labels. When they are
Hoi,
When the other languages box needs to become more flexible, it is a
different problem that has nothing to do with the ability to understand
what statements are made. At this time it is an absolute inability when
there is no label in *YOUR* language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 May 2014 10:21,
Hi all,
What I don't understand is the need to keep all labels blank until
they are updated by hand. Especially for biographical articles, it
would be nice to have original spellings of the person's name, even if
it's Chinese or something else really far away from English. That
might serve as a
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
What I don't understand is the need to keep all labels blank until
they are updated by hand. Especially for biographical articles, it
would be nice to have original spellings of the person's name, even if
it's
Am 05.05.2014 10:57, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
When the other languages box needs to become more flexible, it is a
different
problem that has nothing to do with the ability to understand what statements
are made. At this time it is an absolute inability when there is no label in
*YOUR*
Am 05.05.2014 10:55, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Daniel, what you suggest is overly complicated and the notion that it has to
be perfect stands in the way of implementing a working solution. A solution
that
is the difference between statements that are useful and statements that are
absolutely
Hoi,
I am talking about statements.. I am not asking for selecting items that
have no label in a language.. This would only work if auto descriptions are
in use.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 May 2014 12:52, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Am 05.05.2014 10:57, schrieb Gerard
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:
Where are we with fallback languages?
I did a session for new editors with Magnus last weekend and one of the
questions that came up was why one of the students couldn't see most of the
labels - he had his
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
It's the same in 2014. If you visit the site from the UK while not
logged in, you get encouraged to View Wikidata in British English
through the internationalisation header, despite the fact that this
will make it
Hoi,
The question is much bigger than British English. If you language is Hindi,
Odia or Malayalam you will find that many labels are just not available.
The one reason why Reasonator is so important is that it does provide
language fall back.
Language fallback is not a luxury like it is for
Lydia Pintscher, 04/05/2014 09:03:
If fallback languages aren't going to be available soon, then we
really need to think - at the very least - about disabling this
message.
Yes I think that makes sense. Does anyone know details about that? As
in: how to turn it off?
Very easy.
Hoi,
When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in
*YOUR* language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and
you will be prompted to add a label in the named language. ONLY your
language. Wikidata being Wikidata can provide the option as it already does
to
Hey everyone,
It's quite annoying every time I want to use a item, but it has no Dutch label.
So it doesn't show up if you want to use it with like adding statements.
Fallback is a big thing.
Greetings, Sjoerd
Op 4 mei 2014 om 22:50 heeft Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com het
I agree with Gerard that you only edit your language label in the 'label'
edit box. If the label box is showing the label in a fallback language then
it should be visually different - greyed out and italic for instance or
like the 'edit label in English' text. If a user wants to edit other
Hey,
Anything to add? Please share! :)
You forgot the part where we made big improvements to the DataModel
component :)
I wrote a blog post about some of that
http://www.bn2vs.com/blog/2014/04/30/wikibase-datamodel-entity-v2/
Cheers
--
Jeroen De Dauw - http://www.bn2vs.com
Software
Where are we with fallback languages?
I did a session for new editors with Magnus last weekend and one of the
questions that came up was why one of the students couldn't see most of the
labels - he had his language set to British English. He asked why there was
no fallback to international
British English is a real issue. Personally, I think it's a bit silly
to have it as a language option (Wikipedia has managed for ten years
with an en-common approach!), but I can understand why people want to
have it for the 0.5% of cases where en-gb might differ from en-us.
However... the
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