Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

2010-02-24 Thread Charles Matthews
Ken Arromdee wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, David Goodman wrote: The present rules at Wikipedia are so many and contradictory that it is possible to construct an argument with them to justify almost any decision--even without using IAR. I'm trying to figure out if you're arguing with

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

2010-02-24 Thread Charles Matthews
Bod Notbod wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:38 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Since we have no really universally agreed vision of what the encyclopedia should be, almost any decision is the result of compromise [...] Personally, I think that's the worst way to find a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Italian privacy laws and Google

2010-02-24 Thread Bod Notbod
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Does this case have implications for Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8533695.stm Google employees were convicted by a court for allowing a video of a teenager with

[WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Rob
Not sure what's going on in the edit history of [[Sam Walton]]. There are a number of grey crossed out links. At first I thought it might be a new way of displaying deleted edits but they still appear after I log out, and deleted edits on other articles still appear in the normal fashion.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Kanon
Those edits have been oversighted. More information on oversight can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight 2010/2/24 Rob gamali...@gmail.com Not sure what's going on in the edit history of [[Sam Walton]]. There are a number of grey crossed out links. At first I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Rob
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Kanon kanon...@gmail.com wrote: Those edits have been oversighted. More information on oversight can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight How odd. As far as I recall, there wasn't anything in those edits except simple vandalism and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Risker
On 24 February 2010 12:54, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Kanon kanon...@gmail.com wrote: Those edits have been oversighted. More information on oversight can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight How odd. As far as I recall,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Bod Notbod
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Such edits are now more routinely being suppressed because (a) we have the technical ability to do so without creating problems in the database and (b) there is greater sensitivity to the potential for serious harm for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Rob
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: As an oversighter, I can review these edits, and I can tell you that, while some may consider it simple vandalism, the edits contained potentially libelous information about a person or persons that is unsuitable for public

Re: [WikiEN-l] Italian privacy laws and Google

2010-02-24 Thread geni
On 24 February 2010 13:49, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Does this case have implications for Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8533695.stm Google employees

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

2010-02-24 Thread David Goodman
I thing compromise IS the solution. I said that the sort of compromise by deciding the individual cases half one way half the other on a more or less random basis is the worst way to do a compromise. I didn't go into the best way to form a compromise. The way that works in the outside world is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

2010-02-24 Thread Durova
This is of course true too. People don't think video game composers deserve to have articles; so they argue for non-notability. Whether this should be the case is another story. I consider this to be an abuse of the rules. That's an example of a fairly common human prejudice against new

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

2010-02-24 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: This is of course true too.  People don't think video game composers deserve to have articles; so they argue for non-notability. Whether this should be the case is another story.  I consider this to be an abuse of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Rob
Incidentally, if the oversighted edits concerned a certain gentleman and his alleged predilection for oral copulation, then that vandal has returned to the article. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Michael Peel
On 24 Feb 2010, at 18:15, Risker wrote: As an oversighter, I can review these edits, and I can tell you that, while some may consider it simple vandalism, the edits contained potentially libelous information about a person or persons that is unsuitable for public consumption. The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grey crossed out links in edit history (or: did I miss another software update?)

2010-02-24 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: I don't see the need for this. Can't we simply delete it as per normal, rather than oversighting? Do we not trust the administrators? Do we really need an extra layer of bureaucracy on top of them for this sort of thing?

[WikiEN-l] Office Hour for Thursday, February 25

2010-02-24 Thread Cary Bass
Hey everyone! On Thursday, February 25, the Office Hour will once again be hosted by Mike Godwin, Legal counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation, who you can read about at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin Office hours are from 1800 to 1900 UTC (9:00 AM to 10:00 AM PST) so that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

2010-02-24 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Carcharoth wrote: Interesting comparison with historical antecedants! This is more the sort of level of debate I'd like to see at AfD. I wonder what a closing admin would make of it... :-) You