[WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi all, The English Wikipedia categorises biographies by gender in some circumstances (eg athletes), but not systematically in the way that German does - there are no supercategories of Men, Women, etc, designed to list all members of those groups, and plenty of biography articles have no

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Charles Matthews
On 18 July 2012 10:47, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Hi all, The English Wikipedia categorises biographies by gender in some circumstances (eg athletes), but not systematically in the way that German does - there are no supercategories of Men, Women, etc, designed to list all

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 July 2012 10:47, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I remember it being referred to many years ago as long-standing practice, but I've dug around a bit in the discussion archives and can't seem to pin it down. It's probably pre-2004, maybe even pre-2003 - anyone remember? As

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Magnus Manske
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:04 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 July 2012 10:47, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I remember it being referred to many years ago as long-standing practice, but I've dug around a bit in the discussion archives and can't seem to pin it

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Carcharoth
On 7/18/12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 July 2012 10:47, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I remember it being referred to many years ago as long-standing practice, but I've dug around a bit in the discussion archives and can't seem to pin it down. It's probably

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread james . farrar
Actress is certainly not obsolescent in common usage, and I would suggest it is not the role of Wikipedia to redefine the English language. At least until the Academy changes the name of its award for performance by an actress in a leading role... On 18 Jul 2012, at 12:13, Charles Matthews

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Charles Matthews
On 18 July 2012 12:32, james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Actress is certainly not obsolescent in common usage, and I would suggest it is not the role of Wikipedia to redefine the English language. The point here is whether occupation is gendered, though, in this case. Cf. firefighter, seafarer

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 July 2012 13:03, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.comwrote: On 18 July 2012 12:32, james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Actress is certainly not obsolescent in common usage, and I would suggest it is not the role of Wikipedia to redefine the English language. The point here is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Delirium
On 7/18/12 11:47 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: The English Wikipedia categorises biographies by gender in some circumstances (eg athletes), but not systematically in the way that German does - there are no supercategories of Men, Women, etc, designed to list all members of those groups, and plenty of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 18 July 2012 at 13:18, Delirium wrote: I'm not sure if that's the best way to do it, but I think that asymmetry in interest and navigational usefulness is why we have some asymmetries in the category structure. As for changing it, I think it'll have to be looked at on an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

2012-07-18 Thread Carcharoth
On 7/18/12, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Funny you should mention DBpedia. DBpedia can only work based on the things in Wikipedia and given that we don't include gender in Wikipedia info boxes or category structures, there won't be anything in DBpedia. But, DBpedia links into