Re: [WikiEN-l] Moderation (was: Stick this in your music theory andsmoke it.)

2009-09-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
Quality is too subjective, and if I put too many demands on it, then I limit my circle of associates to friends, people whose mother tongue is English, and elderly people who have already learned which points are too insignificant to waste time on in debate. I also lose out on remembering how

Re: [WikiEN-l] Invitation for review

2009-09-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote in message news:7c402e010909232119j41f3a425l27bd1934c8b8c...@mail.gmail.com... User:Tznkai would like your opinion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Invitation_for_review ...I think it takes for it to become clear

Re: [WikiEN-l] Stick this in your music theory and smoke it.

2009-09-19 Thread Jay Litwyn
topic. You're on moderation now. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/Sound/MSixths.mp3 DATA 35,27,2,24,40,6,45,27,2,30,50,4 DATA 55,33,2,36,60,4,65,39,4,42,70,4,0,0,4 ' How is it that the above numbers, which approximate

[WikiEN-l] Moderating the moderators

2009-09-19 Thread Jay Litwyn
Sorry, guys. This is not good enough. You *must* manually reject. Your mail to 'WikiEN-l' with the subject Re: Well known Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post to moderated list Either the message will get posted to the

[WikiEN-l] Stick this in your music theory and smoke it.

2009-09-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/Sound/MSixths.mp3 DATA 35,27,2,24,40,6,45,27,2,30,50,4 DATA 55,33,2,36,60,4,65,39,4,42,70,4,0,0,4 ' How is it that the above numbers, which approximate the western scale, ' in stereo, in parts a constant major sixth (5:3) apart... DATA 60,35,2,30,40,6,54,45,2,27,50,4

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-known

2009-09-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
The phrase is a weasel wording. That is my problem with it. By whom is it well known? Me and my immediate peers who did the orijinal research? Thirty percent of people over thirty years old? {{who?}} ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikien - Greatest hits

2009-09-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote in message news:7c402e010909111625v7e288350h356c1f91f5e43...@mail.gmail.com... Someone sent me this classic post from Jayjg: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-December/087744.html BTW: It's a bit hard to tell how much of that diff is just

Re: [WikiEN-l] SmartWikiSearch, a similarity search engine for Wikipedia

2009-09-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fbad4e140908241015w1a6aa836jcf34ca962e088...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/24 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank This is an approximation of what David Gerard has arrived at with his own method

Re: [WikiEN-l] Secondary sources

2009-09-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
I agree with Gerard on this. Textbooks are typically loaded with primary sources, and the textbook is a secondary source, even if the author of the textbook did some orijinal research to confirm what the primary source said -- does not mean that research was reviewed. As far as private

Re: [WikiEN-l] SmartWikiSearch, a similarity search engine for Wikipedia

2009-08-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news://news.gmane.org/d55.57c09b43.37c33...@aol.com... In a message dated 8/23/2009 4:53:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes: The search for bees and flowers suggests pollination. I do not see anything mindless about that.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote in message news:b8ceeef70908230910h3466019cpcedf7ae0a2c0a...@mail.gmail.com... On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: I'd really hate to go to [[curry]] and see recipes. The sorts of spices that are often included yes. But

Re: [WikiEN-l] SmartWikiSearch, a similarity search engine for Wikipedia

2009-08-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank This is an approximation of what David Gerard has arrived at with his own method, Mister Johnson.] ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:cde.51a20c14.37c33...@aol.com... In a message dated 8/23/2009 6:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca, I wrote of a common spam complaint that is either fraudulent or dangerous. It's a bit rough to complain about Wikihow in this

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorchach foes strike back

2009-08-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
I think [http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/img/Bowser.jpg that fractal] looks like a dog. [http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/img/Tippy.jpg That one] looks like a cat. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list,

Re: [WikiEN-l] SmartWikiSearch, a similarity search engine for Wikipedia

2009-08-23 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:cfe.5d50bcc3.37c1a...@aol.com... In a message dated 8/22/2009 10:56:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dger...@gmail.com writes: Because there is no need to determine what the meaning of the particular term or keyword is, the pages it returns generally deal

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-23 Thread Jay Litwyn
I said: It was there on link six. Turns out it was not to the wikihow site, just a use of their name. I did see it on the site, one time. Maybe google does hav scruples and leaks in those scruples, just like wikipedia. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] I suppose it's not good to make fun of physics cranks

2009-08-23 Thread Jay Litwyn
Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote in message news://news.gmane.org/3ae0a6ac0908220646v78d48fa8p9ecd3ff5c9874...@mail.gmail.com... On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: So standard physics is a morasse of unprovable assumptions, unobservables, and blatantly

[WikiEN-l] Making cluebot hungry.

2009-08-23 Thread Jay Litwyn
Subject-Was: Re: Gridlock should be impossible. Wikipedia is not censored, and obvious signs of personal attacks that nobody should hav to delete more than once are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ClueBot/Source#Score_list This is where they come from, I think:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation...

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
if it supplied misinformation to WP:ANI to butress an argument with a block. candidate for what? - Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: From: Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 17 August, 2009 02:28:45 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10908190851j6e4a8680jbc9a61bd0bd7e...@mail.gmail.com... (snip) I am impressed, though, that we have this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_the_plankton (...) When you hav a body of water as big as the ocean,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fbad4e140908191119i5ad73bd4sd5cbac1abaf78...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/19 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: It boggles the mind to imagine what Pol Pot would have done with a nuclear facility; he could have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Gridlock should be impossible.

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
One message someone rejected was about words for cluebot to eat. Maybe that should go to tech, and only tech. It certainly would help if I got rejection notices that were not botic. I do not find moderation notices very helpful, because it actually encourages me to get beyond ten on a one day a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
List-class articles are lowest on the scale of quality. Going up in rank, it is list, stub, start, b-class, good article, feature candidate, and once featured. They are still useful for maintenance if you are, for instance, cribbing notability from lists of award-winners. And even for users who

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote in message news:40c6a93a0908201411w75a700derc9a07759fd9d7...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: The exact details of what to ask and how many levels to request are configurable. Is there a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fbad4e140908200334n759b844dn5a0918285f843...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/20 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: That is why I am saying that it is best to have a neutral form for hatnotes: For other things with this name, see

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fbad4e140908210704u76f71a4fid58ea2ed952f9...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/21 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Perhaps the ratings system should only let readers remove a template, then send them a welcome message (to an IP#, no less) that transcludes the template of their expertise, and encourages them to follow the links in it, and by those actions encourage them to ensure that their rating is even more

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news://news.gmane.org/fbad4e140908211511y22906e4ue3dbbd7b12cfc...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/21 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message For the now-largely-abandoned article validation feature

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a4359dff0908210918w6ad2a4a5q14a3fc036fa31...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/21 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: What's so bad about encouraging howto information? I'm sure that a lot of people would find such practical information very

[WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation to WP:ANI to butress an argument with a block.

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] resolution-l

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote in message news:7c402e010908022342o8e581f3o566c6b7c610ac...@mail.gmail.com... On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:01 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I believe that you are mistakenly supposing that the list would discuss *a particular* case. I believe that the original

Re: [WikiEN-l] Report a Problem hack

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote in message news:5396c0d10908102142o3bde7373p735d8cc0a7705...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I'd like it. Good for new page patrollers'. +1 for neat little pop-ups and easy error reporting. Can we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Alphascript Publishing: 1900+ copypasted books fromWikipedia

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
I think this message is better directed at Amazon and other distributors. Nothing is inherently wrong with mirroring Wikipedia on paper. And, I think that belies some of the difficulties in selecting articles, doing a real copy edit (that is manually re-typing it to make it flow, among other

Re: [WikiEN-l] Alphascript Publishing: 1900+ copypasted books from Wikipedia

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:8cbeab907c57f0c-390-2...@webmail-dz04.sysops.aol.com... You said: The publisher seems to observe the copyright (even includes full edit history) so legal action seems impossible. How can a book copy the full edit history without it being obvious that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia approaches its limits - TechnologyGuardian

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
Michael Pruden mikepru...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:515438.44185...@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com... ...pigeonholed (i.e. as an inclusionist or a deletionist when they are actually in the middle). Merjists are both, and they do not need to participate in any AfD discussion, because the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for assistance for new editors

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote in message news:2b0befcd-0e16-4086-9e45-954ceacea...@me.com... The civility thread has got me thinking, but I didn't want to hijack it, so here we go. This idea isn't fully formed, so forgive me. I was going through wikipedia, when I came across a newer

Re: [WikiEN-l] Alternative to watchlistr

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:TOOLS Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:fab0ecb70907290040r28db9048sca6ec928cd327...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Magnus

Re: [WikiEN-l] The end of donations

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10908110309j4ef2cca3l777b8fcb5e86c...@mail.gmail.com... On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Jay Litwynbrewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote in message

Re: [WikiEN-l] When an article is in full protection.

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wrong_Version Inevitable Postulate of Version Control] WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:8b07072f0907230421w257405c9w9d411ec737e7c...@mail.gmail.com... Actually there are circumstances when admins can and should edit

[WikiEN-l] Gridlock should be impossible.

2009-08-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
Ever notice that people who get stuck in an intersection are running a red light? Anybody who wanted to complain would hav a solid ten or fifteen seconds to catch a crime in the act with a photo that includes a license plate (maybe two) and a traffic light in the same shot. So, if you cannot

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote in message news:b8ceeef70908010746o42498809g41ad3c973fba9...@mail.gmail.com... moderator Does this thread have anything to do with this list? Does anyone care anymore? /moderator This list is about wikipedia and anything that goes into it or comes out

Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote in message news:b8ceeef70908020616j742cfe6es9f1d6b7fa04b3...@mail.gmail.com... On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:37 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Efforts like the Wikipedia Selection for Schools are important to help too (and feed into 0.7 and 1.0).

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com quoted Samuel Clemens in message news:a01006d90904151712x2e95f41r9c2dcf17a4dcb...@mail.gmail.com... There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. - Mark Twain In book called They never said it!, that is identified as apocryphal, which

[WikiEN-l] http://euobserver.com/883/28232

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Subject-Was: GFDL compliance Speculative Addressee: webmaster at website in URL. The photo at the top, of Westminster Abbey? It is not carefully cited regarding the source. Could I ask you to pull the photo from wikipedia again to get a more ultimate source? If you click on the photo, then you

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote in message news:b8ceeef70906112226t56603352y27a9fc22fbea9...@mail.gmail.com... On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Sam Kornsmo...@gmail.com wrote: (Photo: a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Houses_of_Parliament.jpg;Wikipedia/a) I imagine that would

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote in message news:4a32892b.90...@telus.net... Sam Korn wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Sam Korn wrote: (Photo: a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Houses_of_Parliament.jpg;Wikipedia/a)

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:5465232.561244846011734.javamail.sys...@atsl_laptop... - Unionhawk unionhawk.site...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I mean, what difference does it make? I guess it probably should have a link, but, honestly, with the number of

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:a342424e0906051009g38d27b9dked2193916a6dc...@mail.gmail.com... If not, is there a group of people somewhere who chase up copyvios like this? I suppose the Free Software Foundation would be the body responsible for chasing up copyright

Re: [WikiEN-l] Report a Problem hack

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
The problem with popups is that even Explorer Six can completely disable them or enable them for specific sites (my setting approves about ten sites), so I ask what is wrong with the talk page? Maybe there should be an Add To Talk Page button or tab on the article, so that you do not need to

Re: [WikiEN-l] The end of donations

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote in message news:7c402e010907301615q7f86e8a1v5edb56ced5a80...@mail.gmail.com... Sorry, thought this was going to foundation-l. -S On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that when people donate money to something,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:cd5.55c9d341.37a65...@aol.com... I know you are trying to be rigorous, but your logic has far too many assumptions to be so. Firstly you assume that a property is eternal. Predicate logic would probably assume that if A exists, than that does not change,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright of newly found image of Phineas Gage from 1850

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote in message news:9839a05c0907181130y31750611u1d6c29c9e3684...@mail.gmail.com... A daguerreotype of a well adjusted [[Phineas Gage]] holding the rod that impaled his frontal lobes was recently discovered. It will be published in The Journal of the History of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Abbott caught altering entries to Wikipedia

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a4359dff0905231300l62f6e442m749aeec5cbb25...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/5/23 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net: I suppose this is old news: http://www.brandweeknrx.com/2007/08/abbott-caught-a.html August 30, 2007 Yeah, I'd say

[WikiEN-l] resolution-l

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
Subject-Was: Blocking / Moderation Okay, so lets properly open the topic. How would anyone go about getting participants in a dispute to subscribe to this list or any other? Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote in message news:3ae0a6ac0907280131k4e867aeer147f5fd65bedd...@mail.gmail.com...

Re: [WikiEN-l] How wikipedia could link into File Protection.

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:d10.52ec3825.3798b...@aol.com... In a message dated 7/22/2009 7:01:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sinew...@silentflame.com writes: OK - so I think a fair summary of this proposal (correct me if I'm wrong) is: We should create a group of experienced

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote in message news:de28ceda0907191928u248ab87cr889c788006055...@mail.gmail.com... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Why would Google care about our internal issues? I would assume because he was using a gmail e-mail address, maybe

Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:8cbdef1cc58b49c-1160-2...@mblk-m09.sysops.aol.com... http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+articles+with+unsourced+claims Proving evidently that our internal search is lame compared with Google :)

Re: [WikiEN-l] IRC Group Contacts Surgery, August 2009

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
One reason they are not publicly archived is so that discussions are not driven into DCC for want of not being held to word, quoted, or caught displaying a degree of ignorance or a prominent prejudice that you actually want to be argued out of. It can be live and off the cuff remarks, perhaps

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-30 Thread Jay Litwyn
The more you know about how it is, the less you know about how it changes. The more you know about how it changes, the less you know about how it is. Just measuring something changes it. --Restatement of Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message

Re: [WikiEN-l] How wikipedia could link into File Protection.

2009-07-30 Thread Jay Litwyn
control to some group, and there's always a risk it can be used in future in other ways. Not agreeing or disagreeing, more just outlining the perceived pros cons and issues. FT2 On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: Subject-Was: Re

Re: [WikiEN-l] How wikipedia could link into File Protection.

2009-07-30 Thread Jay Litwyn
Creating essentially invisible articles in userspace already has at least one example, and seemingly within [[category:hated people]]. I guess that they could go straight into mainspace, suffer there, get moved into someone's user space for protection that is like vandal proof, then once

Re: [WikiEN-l] How wikipedia could link into File Protection.

2009-07-30 Thread Jay Litwyn
It is an old idea that ran on IBM 370s in 1990. On them, what I am describing is child's play. On them I could also give you permission to read a file, and only with a certain program. run only for example was so common that it had an abreviation: permit bugs run unsp:disasm (permit user:bugs

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-30 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:c60.4955af03.3794c...@aol.com... Your belief in something however does not effect it's own existence. However I have a new twist on this old issue. Given: God can do anything Assume: God creates an object which can do more things than God Explain:

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-07-19 Thread Jay Litwyn
Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Wp_freedom_fighter ... No response from gmail about why his e-mail is still functional. The Apathy Cabal rules again. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] RFC on paid editing

2009-06-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
If we only allowed unpaid editing, then disclosure would be driven underground. I do not think WP:COI precludes editing on topics you created, or [[user:Ken_Birman]] would've been blocked a long time ago, and I would really hate to discover that he went for sock puppets. I would *rather*

Re: [WikiEN-l] What sparked your interest in Wikipedia? (was Googlethinks Wikipedia is a news source)

2009-06-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com quoted news:fbad4e140906151058wc6f789dxaedcbfde40e78...@mail.gmail.com , citing 2009/6/15 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: And then I ask what sparked other people's interests in Wikipedia, and a really long thread results. I was reading the Oxford

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google thinks Wikipedia is a news source

2009-06-18 Thread Jay Litwyn
News is the first rough draft of History, which is probably why wikipedia is not supposed to be news. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] A new solution for the BLP dilemma

2009-06-05 Thread Jay Litwyn
Okay, if I hav this straight, then wikipedia should not index the article, either. In other words, you would not find some people from their family name or stage name, unless they issue some form of approval. Those who are interested in getting their facts acceptable would know exactly where

Re: [WikiEN-l] a language issue

2009-06-04 Thread Jay Litwyn
stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote in message news:7c402e010904281455n34954f63q2a19611348654...@mail.gmail.com... Listers, I've submitted a suggestion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Burials with regard to how burials can be referenced in more encyclopedic language than currently

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-06-04 Thread Jay Litwyn
I see no problem with responding. The question for me is how, and to whom, besides this hacker (of the slack hacker variety, not kludge writers) should I respond to. Since he responded to me, and may the wonders of stupidity be praised, he asked for my useless password, it might be within my

Re: [WikiEN-l] Perfection

2009-05-28 Thread Jay Litwyn
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a4359dff0905210715y374984dfgdc50e68a30de0...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/5/21 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a4359dff0905041400s344e381bl8129696714d09

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-05-28 Thread Jay Litwyn
. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: What was I thinking? You can contact ab...@googlemail.com about your problem without bothering a checkuser. You could also be sly and solicit a response from him via direct e-mail, by replying to him

[WikiEN-l] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SOCK

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Your application to an administrator for becoming an administrator should probably be denied. To my knowledge, Ms. Brady does not know you well enough to understand your motivation for becoming an administrator. Since she made your application public, I suspect that she may even find your

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Nothing is to do here. Adminships, last time I checked, are already subject to a time-out under admins open to recall. I do not think it matters whether it's three months, twelve, or fifty months. If that's the length of your term, then it does not matter if you go into a coma due to a bad

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:25230745.571242081651794.javamail.sys...@atsl_laptop... - Original Message - From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Desysopping inactive admins has been discussed and rejected 1000s of times.

Re: [WikiEN-l] (Active Voice) Where went the man?

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Eugene van der Pijll eug...@vanderpijll.nl wrote in message news:20090521074620.ga...@alva.mail.gmail.com... Jay Litwyn schreef: Where did that donkey kick a man? Your point is unclear. If you think [[Politics and the English Language]] needs a better intro, take it to that talk page

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia in popular culture

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10905101545rf98e1b4jf0b313154ec3b...@mail.gmail.com... On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:56 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2009/05/the_broken.html Anyway, my next project is to get a line

Re: [WikiEN-l] Perfection

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
The first element of jenius is knowing what can be borrowed or bought without being taken or caught, so perfection is not getting caught. When you are talking about an oxymoron like perfect crime, there is a limited context. Professor Moriarty is as big as Holmes in some circles. Where would

[WikiEN-l] Getting bias from google.

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Subject-Was: Off-topic, but I must share this David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fbad4e140904240648h62672871h1ace9b3abfcac...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/4/24 Angela Anuszewski angela.anuszew...@gmail.com: So, what happens when this site starts profiting off material they lifted

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Advertising discussions

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Discussions affecting the whole community a.. Wikipedia:Centralized discussion for centralized discussion of policy, guideline, and infrastructure changes That is noise. This is the centralized discussion forum. It can handle more traffic. It's all threaded, attributed, dated, archived, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Advertising discussions

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10904110350q7cb5419q586ca9b2faf7a...@mail.gmail.com... (...) *Wiki-en-l mailing list The last one was a bit unnecessary really. It's in the statement of principles. well advertised...nature of wikipedia. I would add that the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Limited Vizibility

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a4359dff0904240725n3ac46ffes396f143f57633...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/4/24 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: Formally, IFR stands for Instrument Flight Rules. Informally, it means I Follow Roads. What was that in response

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Abigail Brady carbon-copied an e-mail purportedly from user:Wp_freedom_fighter (if you follow the trailing indications of source, which were probably written manually) and that user does not seem to egzist, nor do they seem to hav ever egzisted. All I get on google is games and Sri Lankan war

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a4359dff0905210757r6bf68360m80277e6491df3...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/5/21 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/21 Jay Litwyn brewh

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: Abigail Brady carbon-copied an e-mail purportedly from user:Wp_freedom_fighter (if you follow the trailing indications of source, which were probably written manually) and that user does not seem to egzist

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
/index.php?title=Special:Loguser=Wp_freedom_fighter indicates the account was created May 10, although it doesn't seem to have done anything after creation. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: Abigail Brady carbon-copied an e-mail purportedly from

Re: [WikiEN-l] (Active Voice) Where went the man?

2009-05-21 Thread Jay Litwyn
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a4359dff0905210711m79740eb0k597998ce64daa...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/5/21 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: Eugene van der Pijll eug...@vanderpijll.nl wrote in message news:20090521074620.ga...@alva.mail.gmail.com... Jay

Re: [WikiEN-l] Twitterpedia will win

2009-05-05 Thread Jay Litwyn
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com asked in message news:fbad4e140905041628u4db85427j24073a4cae8cb...@mail.gmail.com... (...) Who's going to start Twitterpedia? No doubt twitter has its place on the internet, just as ICQ offers a one-on-one and personalized alternative to IRC. Someone at the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Twitterpedia will win

2009-05-05 Thread Jay Litwyn
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10905050402n3ffef0f1gb166aa499f610...@mail.gmail.com... On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:16 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Twitterpedia will win

2009-05-05 Thread Jay Litwyn
George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote in message news:38a7bf7c0905051122p21b2e13bn6d44e860fee4f...@mail.gmail.com... On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: George Herbert wrote: I developed an entire user help system once which required that all

Re: [WikiEN-l] Off-topic, but I must share this

2009-04-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
It looks like Portuguese coming through a mechanical translator like http://babelfish.altavisa.com/ , especially all the references to a man as it. ___ a href=http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/;BrewJay's Babble Bin/a I snake that joined the Canadian feds would be a Mountie Python. Phil Nash

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
I agree that it is not original research to out someone. It is not prudent, though. My pseudonyms do not ask anybody to believe that I am posting under my given and family names. Someone might ask why, and I will tell them that I do not consider those names to be guarded secrets. Eric Blair

Re: [WikiEN-l] Off-topic, but I must share this

2009-04-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
that Wikipedia winds up with?) Angela On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: It looks like Portuguese coming through a mechanical translator like http://babelfish.altavisa.com/ , especially all the references to a man as it. ___ a href=http

[WikiEN-l] Professor Kitzel

2009-04-19 Thread Jay Litwyn
Subject-Was: Professor Wikipedia Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote in message news:gs9gul$l0...@ger.gmane.org... I was just indicating that video is a bit boring in [[professor kitzel]], because only the professor is animated, and that is a necessity in distant history--a lot

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum

2009-04-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
Threaded, dated, attributed, multi-cast, and searchable forums are hard to beat for my way of thinking, which is slow and re-worded when it is not delayed or cancelled. There is Internet Relay Chat (IRC) if you want real-time, and I recommend reading the guidelines for contributions, because

Re: [WikiEN-l] Professor Wikipedia

2009-04-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
foxyloxy.wikime...@gmail.com wrote a null message in this thread: news:ftbaaynz78c9agmq5quyaxe124vaj_fire...@mail.gmail.com I nominate [[professor kitzel]]. I saw them all, and I would swear they are longer than five minutes. They say time flies when you're having fun. It's a total mystery.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Professor Wikipedia

2009-04-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
I was just indicating that video is a bit boring in [[professor kitzel]], because only the professor is animated, and that is a necessity in distant history--a lot of stills on paintings while a historian reads. They *should* be remixed with classical music on one side while the historian reads

Re: [WikiEN-l] Vandalism and Autoconfirm levels

2009-04-06 Thread Jay Litwyn
news:fbad4e140903271405g5de806a8k9ac97531e3a5d...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/3/26 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: Maybe someone should institute quizzes for anybody that gets template-warned. Maybe quizzes for anyone who template-warns. - d. ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to ignore wikien-l.

2009-04-03 Thread Jay Litwyn
One thing you might want to do to begin is mark all threads as read, probably with a right-click. That way you are not apt to get into conversations that other people consider stale. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] Plagiarism

2009-03-26 Thread Jay Litwyn
Clear emoticon 8-; (tung in cheek with sunglasses) for sarcasm. Probable emoticon in your example :-( for frustration with someone who did not read one page of the fine manual. The emotion was not sarcasm or incredulity, and the purpose is the same. wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message

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