On 4 February 2011 01:32, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
One is expected to use sound editorial judgment. Using British tabloids
for a biography of a living person falls outside that remit. One is
expected to have some familiarity with what is an appropriate source
for
the
On 4 February 2011 01:32, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
One is expected to use sound editorial judgment. Using British tabloids
for a biography of a living person falls outside that remit. One is
expected to have some familiarity with what is an appropriate source
for
the
--- On Fri, 4/2/11, wiki doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote:
From: wiki doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com
OK, let's take a case in point: Prem Rawat
Jimbo recently added into the lead Rawat has often been
termed a cult
leader in popular press report, as well as [[anti-cult]]
writings - stating
I think we also need to take into account what the subject is and type
of information.
I wouldn't trust one of our fleet street tabloids for a WWII bomber
found on the moon story, and I was somewhat cynical about the
following week's WWII bomber mysteriously disappears from the Moon
headline, or
On 4 February 2011 01:32, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
One is expected to use sound editorial judgment. Using British
tabloids
for a biography of a living person falls outside that remit. One is
expected to have some familiarity with what is an appropriate source
for
the
I think we also need to take into account what the subject is and type
of information.
I wouldn't trust one of our fleet street tabloids for a WWII bomber
found on the moon story, and I was somewhat cynical about the
following week's WWII bomber mysteriously disappears from the Moon
Note that the statement about Pinkett-Smith I quoted in the previous post
was not sourced to radaronline.com, but to the West Australian, a Perth
newspaper.
What is sourced to radaronline.com
We have a policy about not spreading gossip, but I see little evidence
that
we adhere to it.
Andreas
After such examples are found they still need to be edited. The editing
community varies in its tolerance, experience, and compliance. What in
one context might slip though will not in
What we look like to a discouraged editor:
http://ploum.net/post/222-why-i-don-t-contribute-to-wikipedia-anymore
Note the blogs as reference issue.
Fred
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I especially liked this part:
It's a common story in the human species. First, we want to achieve a
goal. Second, we discover that we are all different[2] and that we
need some rules to organize our work. Third, we make the rules really
complicated to fit every corner case. Fourth, we completely
We have a policy about not spreading gossip, but I see
little evidence
that
we adhere to it.
Andreas
After such examples are found they still need to be edited.
The editing
community varies in its tolerance, experience, and
compliance. What in
one context might slip though will
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
For better or worse, Wikipedia in its present state is more of a news
aggregator than an educational resource, and the reason is that the
community likes it that way.
Parts of Wikipedia are more like a news aggregator,
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchredirs=1search=t
hesun.co.uk+%22Living+people%22fulltext=Searchns0=1title=Special%3ASearch
advanced=1fulltext=Advanced+search
'Nuff said.
Scott
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You need to put that in context. Namely, is The Sun used in non-BLP
articles as well? And the real question is how much do BLPs rely on
newspaper sources in general, as opposed to (say) references to
published biographies?
Carcharoth
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:50 PM, wiki
--- On Fri, 4/2/11, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com
wrote:
For better or worse, Wikipedia in its present state is
more of a news
aggregator than an educational resource, and the
reason is that the
community likes it that way.
Parts of
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
snip
That's 32 media/web references (some of them with multiple citations), and
3 book references (each cited once).
I would suggest finding out who added those book references and seeing
if they still have the books, and
Also, some of those media references may be obituaries,
which are a
different sort of source to news articles.
While Lessing was born in 1919, last time I looked she was still alive. ;)
Tough old bird.
Our article talks about her dalliances with communism, feminism, and sufism,
and tells us
--- On Fri, 4/2/11, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
snip
one of the problems I have with WP:WEIGHT is the way some
people take
a percentage approach to it. My view is that the amount
of weight
something has in an article is a function not just of the
*amount* of
text, but also
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchredirs=1search=t
hesun.co.uk+%22Living+people%22fulltext=Searchns0=1title=Special%3ASearch
advanced=1fulltext=Advanced+search
'Nuff said.
Scott
Said but not done. We need to take a good look at this, and similar uses
of dubious
In other words, the more tabloid sources we cite, the more editors we
attract who like tabloids, while turning off those potential contributors
who don't read tabloids.
Andreas
We are already nastier then we need to be or ought to be to ordinary
people who try to edit. We are not going in
Also, some of those media references may be obituaries,
which are a
different sort of source to news articles.
While Lessing was born in 1919, last time I looked she was still alive.
;)
Tough old bird.
Our article talks about her dalliances with communism, feminism, and
sufism,
and
That's a valid and subtle point. It's compounded by the fact that the
more
heavyweight sources tend to be more restrained in their tone, and the
more
lightweight sources, more shrill and emotive.
NPOV as presently defined does not help us there: we are duty-bound to
reflect the shrill
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, Fred Bauder wrote:
Clearly there are issues. I'm on Jimbo's side with this though. Some of
my earliest edit wars were over whether The People's Republic of China
could be described in the introduction as a totalitarian dictatorship.
What has currently been hit on is
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, Fred Bauder wrote:
Clearly there are issues. I'm on Jimbo's side with this though. Some of
my earliest edit wars were over whether The People's Republic of China
could be described in the introduction as a totalitarian dictatorship.
What has currently been hit on is
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, Fred Bauder wrote:
Clearly there are issues. I'm on Jimbo's side with this though. Some of
my earliest edit wars were over whether The People's Republic of China
could be described in the introduction as a totalitarian dictatorship.
What has currently been hit on is
You've certainly framed the issue, but there are four lights.
http://videosift.com/video/How-many-lights-do-you-see-Captain-Great-Picard-
Moment
Fred
Hm, yes but {{citation needed}}.
Otherwise it just comes down to my reality is better than yours and either
brute force, or attrition posing as
Academic writing makes a judgement about what the most likely state
of matters is, and gives a position. When I read an academic paper ,
in whatever field, I expect that there be some conclusions. (I am
likely to skip ahead and read the conclusions, and, only if they seem
interesting, then go
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