Re: [WikiEN-l] Regarding Berkman/Sciences Po study

2011-12-11 Thread James Farrar
On 10 December 2011 11:38, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the thing. Banner adverts are bad. Sometimes they're necessary (the fundraiser being the most obvious example, but other get involved with Wikipedia/WMF/chapters stuff qualifies) - but when they're not, they

Re: [WikiEN-l] A reader's experience with The Closed, Unfriendly World Of Wikipedia

2011-12-11 Thread Tony Sidaway
Our own internal discussions have long reflected on the unfriendliness and undue bureaucracy of Wikipedia. Generally we're good at the trade-off but if we start claiming with a straight face that it's benign rather than a necessary evil we'll have lost something important. While the complainant

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-12-11 Thread Tony Sidaway
If an article is bloated with links or templates just remove the clutter. On Nov 11, 2011 7:33 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 09/11/11 22:29, Peter Jacobi wrote: Perhaps the usefulness of

Re: [WikiEN-l] A reader's experience with The Closed, Unfriendly World Of Wikipedia

2011-12-11 Thread Charles Matthews
On 11 December 2011 14:13, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote: Our own internal discussions have long reflected on the unfriendliness and undue bureaucracy of Wikipedia. Generally we're good at the trade-off but if we start claiming with a straight face that it's benign rather than a

[WikiEN-l] Creative Commons wants your input on the 4.0 license process

2011-12-11 Thread Kat Walsh
Creative Commons is beginning the process of revising their suite of licenses, with the goal of having a 4.0 version by the end of 2012: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/30676 They have a set of goals, including better internationalization, better interoperability with other licenses,

Re: [WikiEN-l] A reader's experience with The Closed, Unfriendly World Of Wikipedia

2011-12-11 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:01:33 +, Charles Matthews wrote: That said, I deprecate getting design issues mixed up with others. The use of emotive terms such as cold and unfriendly implies things about intention and fault that aren't exactly helpful. I don't know whether arguing that WP is sui