[WikiEN-l] Loomio: a consensus decision-making tool

2013-12-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Has anyone used Loomio? (loomio.org) It is a tool for consensus decision-making that currently focuses on making decisions about a single question at a time. It looks pretty similar in spirit to wiki-mediated consensus, but with automated visualization and layout. -- @metasj

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Mapping the SOPA-PIPA Debate: Social Mobilization and the Networked Public Sphere

2013-07-25 Thread Samuel Klein
The Berkman Center just came out with a report on the public discussions surrounding the SOPA-PIPA actions; drawing on the Media Cloud work by Yochai Benkler and others. It provides context for the discussions on the English Wikipedia, and captures the differences between the grassroots and

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] CC nears last call for comments on Creative Commons 4.0

2013-04-30 Thread Samuel Klein
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Re: [WikiEN-l] bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

2013-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 26 April 2013 05:19, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: The thing is that if someone is in a subcategory they are then taken out of the category. So, if the subcategories are applied, nearly everyone should

Re: [WikiEN-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

2013-02-14 Thread Samuel Klein
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[WikiEN-l] Fwd: I posted this in the chat but wanted you to see it.

2012-11-07 Thread Samuel Klein
A fun mashup of WP and SeeClickFix that I was pointed to today: Fixipedia https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fixipedia/dgnfllcgpnfbgmmpfblehlgbbcmnhaac via http://www.seeclickfix.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: The counterattack of the PR companies

2012-04-19 Thread Samuel Klein
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: The counterattack of the PR companies

2012-04-19 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: If anything, it's worse for companies.  Nobody tells BLP subjects that because they have a COI, they can't even remove incorrect statements about themselves. A fair point. I liked Andreas's way of putting this earlier:

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] sad news

2012-03-16 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I realize in my first note that I forgot to link Ben's meta page... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tlogmer a quick look at his contributions will remind some of us about the old fundcom, Wikimania 2006 designs,

[WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books

2012-03-13 Thread Samuel Klein
2010's 32-volume set will be its last. (Now I want to get one, to replace my old set!) Future versions will be digital only. http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/after-244-years-encyclopaedia-britannica-stops-the-presses/?smid=tw-nytimesseid=auto

[WikiEN-l] OH: Wikipedia: The Concert

2011-12-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Cute: http://toons.mit.edu/index.php?title=News -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deployments today

2011-07-08 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: We've been talking about a potential throttle to deal with overuse. These and other ideas are being collected here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove/Idea_Log straight out of a 2003-era april fools story about the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

2011-02-06 Thread Samuel Klein
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Eschatology and Wikipedia

2010-12-28 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:16 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: On 12/23/10 1:31 PM, George Herbert wrote: The social stuff which is complex is something which is a barrier, but one that all western

[WikiEN-l] Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia

2010-10-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Forwarding from foundation-l. David - thanks for the heads-up; this essay is brilliant, and not just about biology. Here's a shorter link: http://j.mp/ten-wiki-rules Magnus - I see your hand in this :-) I'd love to see the edit history... Have you or your co-authors also published this on

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: modern foundations of scientific consensus

2010-06-20 Thread Samuel Klein
in unfounded authority of claims. Construction and analysis of a claim specific citation network may clarify the nature of a published belief system and expose distorted methods of social citation. -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj

Re: [WikiEN-l] More Murdochry

2010-06-07 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/07/james-murdoch-british-library James Murdoch criticises the British Library's plans to digitise old newspapers. And I quote: public sector interest is to

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Open Wikimedia meeting on IRC: Wednesday, 1900 UTC in #wikimedia

2010-05-10 Thread Samuel Klein
-- Forwarded message -- From: Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com Date: Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM Subject: Open Wikimedia meeting on IRC: Wednesday, 1900 UTC in #wikimedia To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Commons common

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

2010-04-02 Thread Samuel Klein
; notable published works that are out of print; even, as DGG says, modern notable businesses, or bands and other artists who don't have a Wikipedia-savvy following. SJ David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Samuel Klein meta

Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-04-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Yes, that disposes of them. The point is to have external links and further reading available to users of the reference at the foot of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-28 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Running a mass deletion does have the unfortunate effect that there's no time for anyone to scramble for sources, which folks will do at least

Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Wikipedia has no management style because there are no managers. We should not be a bureaucracy in any sense of the word. Right. That is the point of WP:BURO. It's not that We are a bureaucracy, but if you cut some corners we'll look the other way. That's not what it says at all.

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-31 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: I do not consider that trivial. The deletion of improvable articles because the small number of participants at AfD who are interested and willing to rescue them is one of the reasons for people losing the interest

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Sue Gardner nominated for HuffPost media game-changer of the year

2009-10-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Forwarding from foundation-l. This is lovely - bold of HuffPost to include Wikimedia in its wide-angle view of today's media, and appropriate considering the way WP helps make sense of the chaos of breaking news. I also love Tina Brown's quote - I used to be the impatient type. Now I'm the

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] Egregiously missing option in Upload dialog

2009-09-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Timwi - That is indeed pretty egregious. I use that dialog all the time, but usually upload my own images and so didn't really attend to whether the other options are complete. I agree that this should be fixed, and filed a bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20648 (I thought

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-09-05 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: That's a very good idea. +1 The name strikes me as the biggest drawback of the current system. Carcharoth On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:36 AM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: I think there's a terminology issue. We

Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments

2009-09-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/4 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: What I would think more likely to succeed? A Help us improve tab, not a comment tab Specifically with a header and edit notice If you can see a way to improve this article, or better more

Re: [WikiEN-l] An expert's perspective - Tim Bray on editing the XML article

2009-08-11 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/11 Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com: d. wrote: His approach was to recruit a pile of other XML experts, who he didn't necessarily agree with. Another important aspect of his approach was that he recognized (and even

Re: [WikiEN-l] The end of donations

2009-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jay Litwynbrewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote in message On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that when people donate money to something, it is to some degree with an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Report a Problem hack

2009-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I'd like it. Good for new page patrollers'. +1 for neat little pop-ups and easy error reporting. Can we also do something like this to report general interface and software bugs? SJ

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: But still? A local library? I find it useful to look at things in context with other similar institutions. So, I try and think of famous

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: My own take on the deletionist/inclusionist divide (which, admittedly, has little if anything to do with Wikipedia's inclusion policies as currently

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do experts have a moral obligation to contribute to Wikipedia?

2009-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
Do experts have an obligation? No. Educators and those whose goal is to improve the world's knowledge, yes. And everyone has a motivation to contribute driven by public interest, but not everyone recognizes it. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
This is a nice writeup. It would make a good addition to the lists discussion page you link. An essay on this that ties into other ways to convert reliable datasources into pages via a list-creation step (sometimes resulting in a list, sometimes resulting in a topic outline, and sometimes

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: So, can someone fill me in on why we're laughing at this? From the article: That seems like a pretty reasonable concern to me. To destroy the effectiveness of a test that has that kind of research

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-30 Thread Samuel Klein
Is there a suitable place on-wiki to put a summary of some of the points in this thread? Carcharoth If you don't mind the recursion, I've posted some of the discussion so far to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Issues/Long-term_discussions which is part of the still-conceptual

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-30 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Gwern Branwengwe...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the best way forward is probably to improve talk pages. They've already proven that they can go the distance; so 'all' that's needed Well, i think we still have a long way to go before we've successfully copied that

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Well, there is something in the original proposal that makes sense to me -- devoting specific attention to long-term facilitation of discussion and resolution of difficult issues. There is something about wiki-time (to borrow a term) that discourages measured discussion over time - if you miss

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Ironically, wikis are so far the online medium which have done best at long-term conversations: I routinely see talk page conversations where the gaps between one message and another may be a year or three. This is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please, take the time to join in this exciting process.  The importance of your participation can not be overstated. This still makes it sound as though community participation is optional, and is input into

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Brad : the practical implications are that we will lose the ability to copy work from a set of familiar collaborative sites -- many of which chose their license specifically to facilitate long-term exchange with Wikipedia -- and they will slowly lose access to the latest WP updates over months or