Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Tim Starling
On 17/09/13 14:01, Gabriel Wicke wrote: On 09/16/2013 07:48 PM, Tim Starling wrote: On 17/09/13 11:08, Gabriel Wicke wrote: Tim mentions in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49833#c3561 that this only applied to IE3 and earlier, and IE4 respects the Content-type header.

Re: [Wikitech-l] TemplateData setup for Template:Artwork/doc

2013-09-17 Thread dan entous
[RESOLVED] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:TemplateData#How_to_get_TemplateBox_to_properly_generate_a_.E2.80.9CTemplate_data.E2.80.9D_section.3F On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 5:54 AM, dan entous dan.entous.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: what needs to be set-up in a local wiki to get the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: There *might* be, in theory. In practice I doubt that there are any articles starting with 'w/'. To avoid future conflicts, we should probably prefix private paths with an underscore as titles cannot start with it (and

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 17/09/13 10:24, K. Peachey wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: There *might* be, in theory. In practice I doubt that there are any articles starting with 'w/'. To avoid future conflicts, we should probably prefix private paths with an underscore

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 17.09.2013 00:34, schrieb Gabriel Wicke: There *might* be, in theory. In practice I doubt that there are any articles starting with 'w/'. I count 10 on en.wiktionary.org: https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndexprefix=w%2Fnamespace=0 To avoid future conflicts, we

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-09-17 2:29 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: On 17/09/13 10:24, K. Peachey wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: There *might* be, in theory. In practice I doubt that there are any articles starting with 'w/'. To avoid future conflicts, we should

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-09-16 8:01 PM, Gabriel Wicke wrote: On 09/16/2013 07:24 PM, Daniel Friesen wrote: On 2013-09-16 7:09 PM, Gabriel Wicke wrote: Any of the entry points? Any new entry point? Anything we ever want to put into the root? We should be able to avoid most conflicts by picking prefixed entry

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 17/09/13 11:59, Daniel Friesen wrote: On 2013-09-17 2:29 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: I have found 2476 pages in English Wikipedia that start with '[something]/', inlcuding pages starting with '//'. None of them start with a small letter though, for obvious reasons. The problem with that

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-09-17 2:48 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: To avoid future conflicts, we should probably prefix private paths with an underscore as titles cannot start with it (and REST APIs often use it for special resources). That would be better. But still, I think this is a bad idea. Essentially,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help users with screen readers on Wiktionary?

2013-09-17 Thread Andre Klapper
On Sun, 2013-09-15 at 19:07 -0400, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: A user who depends on a screen reader has recently found Wiktionary to be less useful than it was in the past. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Site_accessibility_for_blinds I've contacted one

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 09/17/2013 02:48 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 17.09.2013 00:34, schrieb Gabriel Wicke: There *might* be, in theory. In practice I doubt that there are any articles starting with 'w/'. I count 10 on en.wiktionary.org:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Using sub-resources rather than the random switch to /w/index.php is more important for caching (promotes deterministic URLs) and does not seem to involve similar trade-offs. Note that promotes deterministic URLs

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 09/17/2013 08:40 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Using sub-resources rather than the random switch to /w/index.php is more important for caching (promotes deterministic URLs) and does not seem to involve similar

Re: [Wikitech-l] What are DeferredUpdates good for?

2013-09-17 Thread Aaron Schulz
Until what? A timestamp? That would be more complex and prone to over/under guessing the right delay (you don't know how long it will take to commit). I think deferred updates are much simpler as they will just happen when the request is nearly done, however long that takes. -- View this

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: An end point that wants to be cacheable should only use one query parameter, which might well be a path. Hypothetical examples: http://wiki.org/wiki/Foo?r=latest/html http://wiki.org/wiki/Foo?r=123456/wikitext So

Re: [Wikitech-l] What are DeferredUpdates good for?

2013-09-17 Thread Lee Worden
From: Aaron Schulzaschulz4...@gmail.com Until what? A timestamp? That would be more complex and prone to over/under guessing the right delay (you don't know how long it will take to commit). I think deferred updates are much simpler as they will just happen when the request is nearly done,

[Wikitech-l] The future of the Roadmap (was: Roadmap updates - Sept 6th, 2013)

2013-09-17 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hi all, quote name=Erik Moeller date=2013-09-16 time=10:55:21 -0700 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: Weekly deployment plans/notes This monthly roadmap spreadsheet/wiki page Quarterly plans, as represented in

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 09/17/2013 11:24 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: An end point that wants to be cacheable should only use one query parameter, which might well be a path. Hypothetical examples:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] [Analytics] Mobile stats

2013-09-17 Thread Arthur Richards
That's awesome - thanks Max and Adam; it's great to see the last vestiges of X-Device finally disappear! On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: After looking at Varnish VCL with Adam, we discovered a bug in regex resulting in many phones being detected as

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] [Analytics] Mobile stats

2013-09-17 Thread Max Semenik
After looking at Varnish VCL with Adam, we discovered a bug in regex resulting in many phones being detected as WAP when they shouldn't be. Since the older change[1] simplifying detection had also fixed this bug, Brandon Black deployed it and since today the usage share of WAP should seriously

Re: [Wikitech-l] GitHub-based triangular workflow

2013-09-17 Thread David Narvaez
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Merlijn van Deen valhall...@arctus.nl wrote: Eclipse, using Mylyn, in theory has support for this. However, the Mylyn Gerrit connector only works with 2.6, while we already use 2.7. They are working on support [1], and I will try how well it works once I get it

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-17 Thread MZMcBride
Gabriel Wicke wrote: A heavily-used content API will perform better and use less resources when it is cacheable. This will become more important over time, so I believe it is worth spending a small amount of effort on now. Sure, I think everyone agrees that a heavily used Web resource will

[Wikitech-l] In case you missed this:

2013-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
How many printers would it take to keep up with updates to Wikipedia? http://what-if.xkcd.com/59/ Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth

Re: [Wikitech-l] In case you missed this:

2013-09-17 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: How many printers would it take to keep up with updates to Wikipedia? http://what-if.xkcd.com/59/ nope, we saw it :) -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list