[Wikitech-l] Postmortem for the MediaWiki 1.17 release

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone I've just posted postmortem notes on the MediaWiki 1.17 release here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.17/Release_postmortem ...and since I expect there will be some editing/futzing with that page, I've included the full wikitext below. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code Review for 1.18

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Someone is copy pasting the same .html file on each release over and over since the tool was created :-) Yeah, it was a rush job. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: I think

[Wikitech-l] Code review stats (was Re: Code Review for 1.18)

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: You gave me the git repo at one point. Still haven't managed to look at the code and enhance it. Maybe we could add it to the subversion repository and have volunteers enhance it. Here's the repo:

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'm in ur trunk, reviewing pre-1.18 branch code

2011-06-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: When we were prepping 1.17 for deployment the theory seemed to be that it'd be out the door and *done* within a couple weeks and we'd be able to concentrate on 1.18 from there out and keep up with everything. Part of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'm in ur trunk, reviewing pre-1.18 branch code

2011-06-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: On 07/06/11 23:27, Rob Lanphier wrote: http://toolserver.org/~robla/crstats/crstats.118all.html And here's the goals I posted on Friday: 2011-Jun-03     1594 2011-Jun-10     1329 2011-Jun-17     1064 2011-Jun

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension bundling for 1.18

2011-06-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Mark A. Hershberger mhershber...@wikimedia.org wrote: There has been some talk among developers and others about bundling some extensions with the tarball. The new installer supports enabling extensions during installation, so if we're going to do it, I would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension bundling for 1.18

2011-06-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: This would be 1.19 at the earliest.  1.18 is already branched, and if we're aspiring to do much more frequent releases, the last thing we should do

Re: [Wikitech-l] I'm in ur trunk, reviewing pre-1.18 branch code

2011-06-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: Currently working (mostly backwards) to fill in the Code Review holes from before 1.18 branch point:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review process (was: Status of more regular code deployments)

2011-06-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:13 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: If there's any support or help that non-developers can offer in this process, please update the mailing list with information as to how. A lot of people are keen on seeing some steady progress forward. :-) I think one thing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review process (was: Status of more regular code deployments)

2011-06-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Right. And just to weigh in quickly on the resources issue -- the review/deploy/release train is clearly not moving at the pace we want. This does affect WMF staffers and contractors as well, but we know that it's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review process (was: Status of more regular code deployments)

2011-06-01 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: This, for me, is the remaining problem with the 72-hour rule. If I happen to commit a SecurePoll change during a hackathon in Europe just as Tim leaves for the airport to go home, it's pretty much guaranteed that he

[Wikitech-l] Code review process (was: Status of more regular code deployments)

2011-05-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: Are we all in deadlock or something? Are the users who can push waiting from some proposals/work from the rest of the community? We had a hallway conversation about this just now (Neil, Trevor, Brion and I, and then

Re: [Wikitech-l] Status of more regular code deployments

2011-05-30 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 9:15 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: MZMcBride wrote: Is there a status update about more regular code deployments to Wikimedia wikis? I know it's been discussed endlessly, but I was under the impression that it was a real goal going forward. Is that still the

[Wikitech-l] Bug priorities (Re: Change in Bugzilla's defaults)

2011-04-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. Defaulting new bugs to a low priority doesn't seem very friendly to new users. They don't know (and shouldn't have to know) what the bugmeister's organization is. I thought about replying with a similar response,

[Wikitech-l] The priority of code review (Re: Code Review tools)

2011-03-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: If, as Tim says, Wikimedia developers were un-assigned from code review after the 1.17 deployment, *that* is the problem that needs to be fixed. We need a managerial decision that all relatively experienced

Re: [Wikitech-l] Converting to Git?

2011-03-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 23/03/11 04:24, Rob Lanphier wrote: The most convincing general Subversion-DVCS argument I've read is here: http://hginit.com/00.html This argument refers to Mercurial, but the same benefits apply to Git

Re: [Wikitech-l] Converting to Git?

2011-03-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazel...@xs4all.nl wrote: IMO that a bridge too far. My question is Why should we make this happen?, and more specifically, what do our various stakeholders (which groups?) gain or lose in case MediaWiki development would shift from

Re: [Wikitech-l] Converting to Git?

2011-03-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: To my mind, this is one of the most important points.  We have built up a very comprehensive infrastructure for code review in SVN, and there is a lot of manhours behind that work; and just as many hours associated with

[Wikitech-l] New committer: Russ Nelson

2011-03-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Russ Nelson (svn account: nelson) is a new committer to core MediaWiki. Russ is contracting to Wikimedia Foundation to create a scalable media storage system based on OpenStack's Swift object store, some Swift middleware custom for MediaWiki, and File and FileRepo-derived classes

[Wikitech-l] Site fixes this week

2011-03-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
Reposting from techblog: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/03/site-fixes/ - Site fixes this week We’re still in the middle of cleaning up some lingering issues from the 1.17 deployment, and despite our best efforts, you may see a little bit of quirkiness in the site: * One

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Sumana Harihareswara

2011-03-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'd like to welcome Sumana Harihareswara as a consultant helping out with some tasks that we eventually plan to hire a Volunteer Development Coordinator to handle. Specifically, she's going to focus on our participation in Google Summer of Code, as well as helping plan WMF's

[Wikitech-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

2011-02-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, In case you missed it on the techblog, here's an update on the revised deployment plan for 1.17, part 1 of which starts in 7 hours: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/1-17deployment-attempt2/ Also copied below. Rob -- As covered on this blog this week, we had a few problems

Re: [Wikitech-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

2011-02-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/2/11 Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org: First window This first deployment window will be to a limited set of wikis: http://simple.wikipedia.org/ (simplewiki) http://simple.wiktionary.org

[Wikitech-l] Your code will be reverted

2011-02-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We're getting very close to deploying 1.17 to the Wikimedia Foundation websites, but still have a fair amount of code (102 revisions) to review and possibly revert.  One big obstacle that could cause us to get cold feet is the number of revisions marked fixme (29 revisions):

Re: [Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8

2011-01-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:41 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: Just repeating something I just posted to http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/planned-1-17-deployment/ Thank you for posting here. I'm not sure about others, but I rarely visit

[Wikitech-l] 1.17 revisions to review by tag

2011-01-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Here's a breakdown of the revisions left to review: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17/Revision_report Current count of branches plus extensions: 283 There's a script to generate this (publishing source later; requires toolserver), so we should be able to maintain

[Wikitech-l] New committer: Apekshit Sharma (appy)

2011-01-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Earlier this week, I added Apekshit Sharma (appy) as a committer in extensions-only for work on Article Highlight: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Article_Highlight Welcome appy! Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] Update on 1.17

2011-01-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Here's a quick update on the 1.17 release of Mediawiki. The code review group continues to make headway on the backlog of outstanding checkins in new status. We peaked at 1400 unreviewed checkins back in September, last month we were at 800, and now we're now under 300. We *hope*

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: Exactly my point -- spending time tinkering with sortof-human-readable-but-not-powerful-enough syntax distracts from thinking about what needs to be *described* in the data... which is the important thing needed when devising

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: That we've multiply concluded that it will never change doesn't mean it won't; as a thought exercise, as I suggested in OtherThread, we should consider negating that conclusion and seeing what happens. Agreed. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: If, for example, we can build some sort of per-revision indicator of markup language (sort of similar to mime type) which would let us support multiple

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: Let's imagine you wanted to start a rival to Wikipedia. Assume that you are motivated by money, and that venture capitalists promise you can be paid gazillions of dollars if you can do one, or many, of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Brion, Thanks for laying out the problem so clearly! I agree wholeheartedly that we need to avoid thinking about this problem too narrowly as a user interface issue on top of existing markup+templates. More inline: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: This

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving the skinning system

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: I've been chipping away at our skins system lately, there's a lot we can improve to improve the skins system. Right now there's a lot of it that doesn't work so nicely for an ecosystem promoting the creation of a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review and making it to 1.17

2010-12-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly superfluous clarification: what we're talking about here is to branch 1.17wmf1 (i.e. WMF deployment), not an immediate 1.17 release candidate. Obviously we'd deploy first and release later, that's what we've

[Wikitech-l] Code review and making it to 1.17

2010-12-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, The code review team has been doing a fantastic job of clearing out the backlog, which you can see here: http://toolserver.org/~robla/crstats/crstats.html (uncheck ok on the checkboxes on the bottom to see new commits) There's some release planning issues that we have to sort out:

[Wikitech-l] Draft plan for 1.17 branch next week (Code review and making it to 1.17)

2010-12-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, On IRC, Trevor lead the charge to Etherpad!, and some of us followed. This was the result: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17 This is an aggressive plan, starting with branching for 1.17 early next week. It is by no means official; Tim and Mark H are both named,

[Wikitech-l] Status update on test framework deployment

2010-12-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, It's been a while since I've updated the notes from our test framework meetings, so I just did so today: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/Test_framework The meeting earlier today is here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/Test_framework/2010-12-02 Not a lot of context in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Review statistics not working after FlaggedRevs update

2010-11-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi lampak This wasn't an intentional omission. Bug filed: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26112 Rob On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:49 PM, lampak llam...@gmail.com wrote: ... or at least a few pieces of it don't. http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Statystyki_oznaczania

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes/Flagged Revisions update tomorrow

2010-11-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We are currently planning to roll out a new version of the FlaggedRevs extension to all wikis on Tuesday, November 23 starting roughly 3:15pm PST (23:15 UTC). This is used for Pending Changes on en.wikipedia.org and Flagged Revisions on many other wikis (such as de.wikipedia.org and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deferred, but still in need of review

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jack Phoenix j...@countervandalism.net wrote: I want to have my SocialProfile-related commits (as well as other extension commits) reviewed, but the deferred status doesn't mean review me later, it means nobody cares about this revision, or at least currently

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deferred, but still in need of review

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 15/11/10 06:58, Jack Phoenix wrote: The deployment queue is already long enough and people who are reviewing code for Wikimedia deployment are having a hard time catching up; I don't want to make their work any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium Smoke Test Framework

2010-11-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Some context here: Jinesh and the folks at Calcey are going to be pitching in on building out our Selenium test framework. I asked them to take a look here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: +1. I feel like we're trying to change a workflow when we should be trying to get rid of a backlog. Instead of trying to discuss ways to improve the workflow, we should Just Do It. The problem is agreeing on what it is.

[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, One discussion we had at the Hack-a-ton was about the continued frustration of getting features deployed to the WMF-operated sites. Prior to Hack-a-ton, one short-term solution we started work on was consolidating the review queue into a single place:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Trevor and Roan Comments inline (Roan, my reply to you is way below) On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: The idea of dividing deploy and enable seems strange to me. Only in the case of a feature-flagged bit of core code or extension which has

Re: [Wikitech-l] New installer is here

2010-10-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: This has been a long development process for almost 2 years now, and I'd like to thank Max, Mark H., Jure, Jeroen, Roan and Siebrand for their invaluable help in working on this. And especially thanks to Tim for starting

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes development update: October 25

2010-10-25 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, This is another update on Pending Changes work. Over the Hack-a-ton weekend, Chad Horohoe and Priyanka Dhanda worked on two of the bigger features for the November 16 Pending Changes update: Bug 25294 - Reject button confirmation screen in Pending Changes

[Wikitech-l] Release process

2010-10-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, There have been a number of calls to make the release process more predictable (or maybe just faster). There are plenty of examples of projects that have very predictable release schedules, such as the GNOME project or the Ubuntu Linux distribution. It's not at all unreasonable to

[Wikitech-l] Convention for logged vs not-logged page requests

2010-10-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, In diving into a problem with logging[1], we discovered that we were unintentionally treating several special page accesses (in this case, containing included Javascript) as normal pageviews, thus throwing our pageview statistics way off. The proposed solution involves changing the way

Re: [Wikitech-l] Convention for logged vs not-logged page requests

2010-10-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: If I've understood you correctly, your suggestion is that, to make logging easier, we should adopt a convention of how we call certain web resources. I'm not so much suggesting it as I am stating the status quo, and

[Wikitech-l] Deployment of volunteer code (Re: Collaboration between staff and volunteers: a two-way street)

2010-10-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, Pulling out a subconversation from the collaboration thread On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:  The number one thing that volunteers are unhappy about is non-deployment of volunteer code. Why?  Because the only reason for their

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes UI issues

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, A few of us (Brandon, Alolita, and I) had a conversation about clearing up the more vague items on the Pending Changes roadmap (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pending_Changes_enwiki_trial/Roadmap ), and we'd like to get some further feedback on what we discussed. First, the priority

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending Changes UI issues

2010-10-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:28 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: A few of us (Brandon, Alolita, and I) had a conversation about clearing up the more vague items on the Pending Changes roadmap (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pending_Changes_enwiki_trial/Roadmap

[Wikitech-l] Bugmeister opening at Wikimedia Foundation

2010-10-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'd like to make everyone aware of this new open position: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Bugmeister The goal for the person hired to this position is to sift through the many, many bugs we have in Bugzilla, and surface the ones that are most important for everyone

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes development update: October 6

2010-10-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Pending Changes work continues apace.  The big thing we'd like to call everyone's attention to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes/Feedback#Call_for_specific_feedback_on_UI_elements We'd really like to get your input on specific suggestions that we can implement

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugmeister opening at Wikimedia Foundation

2010-10-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: I'd like to make everyone aware of this new open position: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Bugmeister I edited that page yesterday. Two parts were unclear to me, though: Is the position

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27

2010-09-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, As many of you know, the results of the poll to keep Pending Changes on through a short development cycle were approved for interim usage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes/Straw_poll_on_interim_usage Ongoing use of Pending Changes is contingent upon consensus

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drafting the upcoming engineering overview

2010-09-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:43 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Nobody seems to have replied to this thread in about a week, which I think indicates a problem, so I'm gonna poke a bit here. Rob Lanphier wrote: As you probably know, we're trying to get into the habit of providing

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.17 release target (Re: UsabilityInitiative extension...)

2010-09-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 21.09.2010, 6:09 Rob wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by this.  October 15 would be the branch point, not the release date.  Are you saying that we have to release to production one month before even branching off

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.17 release target (Re: UsabilityInitiative extension...)

2010-09-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 September 2010 17:26, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: Doesn't this kinda depend on what our priorities are and what the priorities of people running MediaWiki are?  There are many demands placed by Wikipedia

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.17 release target (Re: UsabilityInitiative extension...)

2010-09-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Quite a few people are under the impression that MediaWiki 1.17 will be released in October or November of this year. I don't think there's been many public references to this, but that is more or less the timeframe many of us

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.17 release target (Re: UsabilityInitiative extension...)

2010-09-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: The goal, as I recall, was branching October 15 or thereabouts, with first beta in November, and a release sometime after that (perhaps

[Wikitech-l] Weekly test framework deployment meetings

2010-09-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, There's a few of us that have been having regular meetings every other week over Skype to discuss test framework deployment (e.g. Selenium, phpUnit, CruiseControl, etc). The project page for this project is here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Test_framework_deployment The notes

Re: [Wikitech-l] Weekly test framework deployment meetings

2010-09-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazel...@xs4all.nl wrote: Rob, you forgot to mention where/whom to ask to be invited for the Skype call. I'm sure you'd not want those requests to go to the mailing list (I at least wouldn't want them to). Oops...sorry. Ask me directly.

[Wikitech-l] Proposal: reversion collapsing in edit history

2010-09-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm in the process of figuring out a series of proposals that will help improve the usability of Pending Changes, in response to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#A_way_to_resolve_the_lingering_debate One complaint that many people have with Pending Changes is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: reversion collapsing in edit history

2010-09-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:25 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: I've drafted this up here: http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Pending_Changes_enwiki_trial/Reversion_collapsing Would this require storing the checksums in the database or would this be done dynamically on page

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-05 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Aryeh, Thanks for bringing this topic up.  It looks like its been a pretty productive conversation so far, so I hope I don't ruin it.  ;-) Here's where I think you and I are on common ground.  We seem to disagree about magnitude (e.g. more vs all or less vs none), but I think we can agree on

[Wikitech-l] Library licensing (Re: Un-commingling Libraries in MediaWiki)

2010-08-30 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: [Two reasons to relicense as part of breaking into libraries:] a) To encourage reuse and b) Avoid

Re: [Wikitech-l] Un-commingling Libraries in MediaWiki

2010-08-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On 8/26/10 6:46 PM, Tim Starling wrote: On 27/08/10 03:57, Trevor Parscal wrote: It got me thinking that [the CSSmin class] would be pretty useful to non-MediaWiki projects too, but sadly we don't have a history of sharing in this way... You should put it in PEAR. Very few people

Re: [Wikitech-l] [FlaggedRevs] Implicitness of autoreview group

2010-08-25 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:12 PM, lampak llam...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/08/10 22:45, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Oh, blech, FlaggedRevs reinvented the wheel and made up its own autopromote system. At a glance, it looks

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia logging infrastructure

2010-08-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 10/08/10 15:16, Rob Lanphier wrote: We have a single collection point for all of our logging, which is actually just a sampling of the overall traffic (designed to be roughly one out of every 1000 hits

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia logging infrastructure

2010-08-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Mark, Thanks for the helpful reply. Comments inline: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org wrote: As already stated elsewhere, we didn't really saturate any NICs, just some socket buffers. Because of the large number of configured log pipes, the software

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia logging infrastructure

2010-08-09 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We're in the process of figuring out how we fix some of the issues in our logging infrastructure. I'm both sending this email out to get the more knowledgeable folks to chime in about where I've got the details wrong, and for general comment on how we're doing our logging. We may

[Wikitech-l] Possible fix for bug 24124: Diffs are taking 10 to 20 seconds to load

2010-07-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, I wanted to highlight bug 24124, because there's a possible fix for it, and I'm hoping we can get a lot of eyes on this one and then hopefully fast-track it into production if that's possible. Here's the link: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24124 The problem: diffs are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: Ok, how about alternative D? D: 1) Display diff between A1 and P1. 2) P1 is rejected. Nothing happens to the database at this point, the rejection of P1 is just remembered somewhere. 3) Display a diff between A1

[Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, There is mounting demand for a reject button (or decline) in several conversations about Pending Changes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes/Feedback#Unapprove_button ...along with a lot of confusion about unaccept:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 27 June 2010 19:48, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: For example, let's say that there are three pending revisions in the queue. That means there is the latest accepted revision (we'll call A1

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 27 June 2010 21:07, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: The guidance for reviewing multiple edits ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reviewing#Step-by-step_.22how-to.22_for_reviewing_multiple_edits

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 27 June 2010 21:07, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest eliminating the option of review multiple edits

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Again— I must ask where there is evidence that we are in need of tools to increase the _speed_ of reversion actions on pages with pending changes at the expense of the quality of those determinations? Feel free to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Now that the pending changes work is well underway, I'm reviving this thread. Below are replies to Neil, Roan, and Chad: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Just starting off the discussion, but am I right in assuming that this is driven

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fixme, please fix me!

2010-06-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/6/10 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com: This is a general note to all committers, since I keep seeing the same question asked. Committers should never set their own revisions to OK or RESOLVED. Even if you review

[Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Sorry for the email length here. Here's my quick summary: * Trying to figure out how to do good project management on Bugzilla, working with the Bugzilla community to juice it up * Failing that, we'd like to migrate off of it. Leading candidate: Redmine * Wiki page:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:49 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: fwiw, I added a lot of time/project-management functionality to my Bugzilla when I was using it in a commercial project. Some of the desired functionality was already available as patches on bugzilla.mozilla.org; I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending Changes deployment strategy (Re: Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection) launch on June 14 (PDT))

2010-06-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think [deploying the new FlaggedRevs to all wikis] makes any sense at all. What I'd do is: * Update FlaggedRevs_alpha to the desired state and check it on the labs wikis * Switch wikis from FlaggedRevs to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending Changes deployment strategy (Re: Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection) launch on June 14 (PDT))

2010-06-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/8 Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org: So, now we've got two different options [for deploying FlaggedRevs]: 1. If it's even possible, figure out how to work around the message cache race condition [and deploy

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection) launch on June 14 (PDT)

2010-06-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Below is William's update on the Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection) trial launch on en.wikipedia.org on June 14. As we'll continue to stress: this is a trial, and as such, still has a few rough edges, but we feel we're ready to press forward and commit to iterative improvement

Re: [Wikitech-l] Icon area for articles (Re: Anyone with CSS fu ...)

2010-06-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: I filed this in Bugzilla so that we have a place to keep track of the feature request: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23796 Erik pointed me to some earlier thinking on this subject that's been floating

[Wikitech-l] Pending Changes deployment strategy (Re: Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection) launch on June 14 (PDT))

2010-06-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: A full test pass with all of the different configurations isn't going to be possible, so some help with testing the different configurations would be wonderful. We'll have a fast fallback plan

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anyone with CSS fu that can help out on Flagged Revs?

2010-05-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Roan, Thanks for looking into this! More below: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: The way I see this (and, mind you, I'm not a CSS ninja at all, just someone with a more-than-basic knowledge of CSS), there's two ways to solve this (assuming you

[Wikitech-l] Anyone with CSS fu that can help out on Flagged Revs?

2010-05-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, One thing we're struggling with right now is getting a chunk of the Flagged Revs UI to look right. None of us working on Flagged Revs right now are CSS gurus, and the people that we have at Wikimedia Foundation that are really good with CSS are buried in other work, so we could

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-25 Thread Rob Lanphier
for the eventual commit. Rob On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, I'm preparing a patch against FlaggedRevs which includes changes that Howie and I worked on in preparation for the launch of its deployment onto en.wikipedia.org . We started

[Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm preparing a patch against FlaggedRevs which includes changes that Howie and I worked on in preparation for the launch of its deployment onto en.wikipedia.org . We started first by creating a style guide describing how the names should be presented in the UI:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: This was suggested on foundation-l by Chad, but I'll repeat it here: reuse messages as little as possible. If you're using the word foobar in two slightly different meanings and think other languages might want to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 23 May 2010 00:18, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: It seems what you're suggesting is the following: Step 1. Simply leave revreview-hist-basic as checked revision (or even go back to sighted revision

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: I suppose in this case, there might be a simpler debate about which is a better word: sighted, checked or accepted, since I think we actually

[Wikitech-l] Helping out with Flagged Revs

2010-05-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, As of today, I'm working as a contractor at Wikimedia Foundation, helping out with several things, one of which being the Flagged Revs rollout. One thing I'm going to be helping William and the crew out with is working out some of the unanswered questions in the description of the

[Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code 2010 accepted students announced

2010-04-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone! Google earlier today announced the selected students for Google Summer of Code 2010. We're happy to report we've received six students, listed here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/wikimedia We had a lot of really great proposals this year, and a really

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Damon Wang damonw...@uchicago.edu wrote: There's a few Python-based things that might be interesting, but I think you'll get a lot more love for doing something in PHP or C. Since this is a student internship, you shouldn't be bashful about using this as

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