Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Risker
Just to note, I've sent the screenshot directly to Brandon; I also forwarded a copy to this list but because of the size the email needs to go through moderation. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 08:55, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Robson
I just wanted to thank Bartosz for all the good work he's done here! It's great that finally installing a skin is consistent with installing an extension :) I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get started making their own skins? On

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who maintains GeoCrumbs? (a changeset waits for review)

2014-07-15 Thread Brian Wolff
On 7/14/14, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, GeoCrumbs is an extension deployed in Wikimedia servers: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoCrumbs It has no official maintainers, what about unofficial ones? Any volunteers? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread David Gerard
When all the bits on the sides are actually functional *and* it works in IE, presumably :-) On 14 July 2014 17:40, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preliminary ogv.js integration for Ogg playback in Safari, IE

2014-07-15 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
This is impressive Brion, really nice work. I can actually play multiple 160p clips at the same time on my iPhone 5S. I have no controls in iOS yet but other than that.. Really getting somewhere. DJ On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: I spent the weekend

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't work correctly. Thank you Best On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread David Gerard
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior

2014-07-15 Thread Pine W
So this evening, besides my one email to Wikimedia-l that got through, 2 others disappeared into thin air. Also, I just received an email in my Google account that was sent 11 hours ago. Can someone check for gremlins in the mail system? The problem might be on Google's end or in the mail system,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread David Gerard
Actually one annoyance I just found: I can't right-click on the talk page link. Is there any good reason to make this a Javascript thing rather than an ordinary link? On 14 July 2014 23:55, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Mathoid to production cluster

2014-07-15 Thread Moritz Schubotz
Hi Chris, me too. How can I implement in in beta labs? Best Moritz On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would really like to see this follow the standard deploy scheme: implement it in beta labs; then enable it for mediawiki.org and test2wiki; then

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Strange mailing list behavior

2014-07-15 Thread James Alexander
Apologies if this ends up being a duplicate, forwarding it along on Pine's request because he's been having mail issues and is concerned this one is also not getting through. It is also, of course, possible that my email will get stuck too and they will all appear later down the road together. So

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anonymous editors IP addresses

2014-07-15 Thread Gryllida
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, at 23:34, Gilles Dubuc wrote: IP addresses are closely guarded for registered users, why wouldn't anonymous users be identified by a hash of their IP address in order to protect their privacy as well? While I don't horribly mind some changes in the direction you're

Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants

2014-07-15 Thread Rachel Farrand
Hi Lars, All we currently know about the 400 contributors, is that they have registered for the Hackathon and Wikimania. Only 20/400 are registered just for the hackathon. I am planning to send out a survey shorty to everyone who is registered for the hackathon to get a better idea of backgrounds

Re: [Wikitech-l] Scribunto, Lua 5.2, and forward compatibility for Module code

2014-07-15 Thread gnosygnu
I reply inline below, but in brief, my general questions have been answered. Thanks for the comprehensive reply. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:22 AM, gnosygnu gnosy...@gmail.com wrote: * Will Scribunto support

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Trevor Parscal
I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible. This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more

[Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread David Cuenca
Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the log in page instead of showing that dumb Not logged in page? Or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
The source is available now. Amir, could you try setting it up on RTL in labs? בתאריך 15 ביול 2014 14:02, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com כתב: This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't work

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread David Cuenca
I like it and I hope it gets to the point where it can be deployed as beta. And that right panel looks a perfect place for users to place some gadgets of their choice. That would be wonderful! On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: I want to suggest

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Risker
Yes, I think you may have a point, Trevor. The one thing that comes to my mind is that all the stuff at the right of the screen is what might be called the bottom matter from articles. Giving it primary place in an article, well above the majority of content is...well, suboptimal. It's at the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect

Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants

2014-07-15 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
We should probably update parts of The laptop setup guide https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathon/Laptop_setup, which is linked from the Hackathon coordination page. I notice there are a few parts that are still in their 2012 state, which probably could use a bit of updating (Like using Smultron

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-07-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I just wanted to thank Bartosz for all the good work he's done here! It's great that finally installing a skin is consistent with installing an extension :) I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Mathoid to production cluster

2014-07-15 Thread Chris McMahon
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Moritz Schubotz phy...@physikerwelt.de wrote: Hi Chris, me too. How can I implement in in beta labs? I'd say to start by filing a bugzilla ticket for Wikimedia Labs/deployment-prep. Then it is a matter of registering the proper extensions and config in

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: Composer managed libraries for use on WMF cluster

2014-07-15 Thread Bryan Davis
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have converted my email on using composer to manage a set of library dependencies for MediaWiki-Core [0] into an RFC [1]. Work is continuing on the implementation of this project, but there are still debatable

Re: [Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior

2014-07-15 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Outage report: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/2014-07-14-Lists SPOILER: Should be better now. quote name=Pine W date=2014-07-15 time=01:02:20 -0700 So this evening, besides my one email to Wikimedia-l that got through, 2 others disappeared into thin air. Also, I

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia engineering report, June 2014

2014-07-15 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, The report covering Wikimedia engineering activities in June 2014 is now available. Wiki version: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/June Blog version: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/ We're also proposing a shorter, simpler

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Robson
Thanks for the info Isarra! Does anyone want to make it not empty...? :) I'll personally +2 any changes if the author sends me a private email to the patchsets! On 15 Jul 2014 07:39, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I just wanted to thank Bartosz for

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality

2014-07-15 Thread Matthew Walker
The new renderer should already be working in Hebrew and other RTLs. ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: Any plans also to improve this module and make it work well also in Hebrew (and maybe other RTL languages)? On Fri,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: Hadoop and Beyond. An overview of Analytics infrastructure, Tuesday!

2014-07-15 Thread Rachel Farrand
This Tech Talk will be starting in 30 minuets. Thanks! On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello! Please join Nuria Ruiz and Andrew Otto next Tuesday, July 15th at 10am SF time/5pm UTC

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anonymous editors IP addresses

2014-07-15 Thread Nick White
(a little off topic diversion) On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 06:22:17PM +1000, Gryllida wrote: An IP, as a fundamental identifier, has as much to do with privacy as a car number you see on a street. (Anyone can look up a name by car number, in my area, which I expect to be common.) Actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants

2014-07-15 Thread Quim Gil
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: We should probably update parts of The laptop setup guide https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathon/Laptop_setup, which is linked from the Hackathon coordination page. The MediaWiki-vagrant troupe should take over

Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants

2014-07-15 Thread Brian Wolff
On 7/9/14, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 07/08/2014 10:30 PM, Rachel Farrand wrote: This year we are expecting a very large turnout at the London Hackathon. Last I heard there were just under 400 people registered. Are those 400 already contributors to the code base, or does it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants

2014-07-15 Thread Risker
On 14 July 2014 17:38, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Lars, All we currently know about the 400 contributors, is that they have registered for the Hackathon and Wikimania. Only 20/400 are registered just for the hackathon. I am planning to send out a survey shorty to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants

2014-07-15 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
According to http://korma.wmflabs.org/browser/ we have had over a thousand contributors to MediaWiki, with about 136 regular developers. Wikimedia developers to me includes people who improve MediaWiki core, gadgets, templates, user scripts, bots and tools and apps that use our API or dumps, etc.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preliminary ogv.js integration for Ogg playback in Safari, IE

2014-07-15 Thread Brion Vibber
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: This is impressive Brion, really nice work. I can actually play multiple 160p clips at the same time on my iPhone 5S. Thanks! :) Note that performance in Safari should improve further on iOS 8 and OS X

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Robson
Yes someone please submit a patch and I will help us get a fix for this merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Tyler Romeo
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146515 --  Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com Reply: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: July 15, 2014 at 14:32:19 To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject:  Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Risker
Would this return the user to the page that was originally requested, and from which they were diverted? I ask because a lot of people bookmark their watchlist as the easiest way to wind up where they want to be. Getting a log-in screen first if they're not already logged in would work fine, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Tyler Romeo
Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes). --  Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Risker risker...@gmail.com Reply: Wikimedia developers

[Wikitech-l] flow allows to mail change?

2014-07-15 Thread rupert THURNER
hi does flow allow to mail the added text. and allows to reply via mail? rupert ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] flow allows to mail change?

2014-07-15 Thread Danny Horn
We haven't added this feature to Flow yet. We'll have to work on email notifications sometime this fall. We haven't thought about allowing replies via mail; thanks for the suggestion! Danny On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:10 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: hi does flow allow

[Wikitech-l] CentralNotice Caching Overhaul - Frontend Proxy RfC

2014-07-15 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/CentralNotice_Caching_Overhaul_-_Frontend_Proxy Matt Walker, praise be upon him, has just massively revised this RfC. See the update for new details on URL unification, Varnish usage, and estimated usage. It's now ready for another review pass,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Brandon Harris
On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? Through the magic of the new search API. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Brandon Harris
I have gotten said screenshot, and it matched exactly what I saw in IE 9 earlier this morning. The problem was a missing DOCTYPE, which, when added, broke a bunch of other stuff, which I have now fixed and deployed. So it should work on IE now just fine. I also fixed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Chad
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? Through the magic of the new search API.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 July 2014 22:09, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: /scramble, scramble, scramble. The curse of doing something people like! - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Product] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? Through the magic of the new search API. If

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Product] Winter, v. 0.6

2014-07-15 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
Dear Amir, I set up wikitest RTL and added winter to it (but I don't know why the winter doesn't connect to my database, I haven't checked it very carefully to see how that's possible) Anyway the RTL wiki is here: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitest-rtl/w/ and winter framework is accessible by this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes). The other exception is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Robson
This seems like a bit of an edge case. If you are worried about this then I would say you want to check the keep me logged in box... On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Actually,

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-07-15 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:38:52 +0200, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get started making their own skins? Theoretically that's what the skins/Example

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: This seems like a bit of an edge case. If you are worried about this then I would say you want to check the keep me logged in box... For some of us power users, it will be an edge case we hit annoyingly regularly. I've

Re: [Wikitech-l] git-review 1.24 broken?

2014-07-15 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 07/10/2014 05:09 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Adrian Lang adrian.l...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Moriel Schottlender mor...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that the native package doesn't work correctly. Or, if that's no longer true,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Robson
regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:) We shouldn't be designing features for edge

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Bryan Davis
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and

[Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Jon Robson
(Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now. Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet device,mobile device and home computer. :( See bug for reference [1] [1]

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Steven Walling
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now. Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Risker
On 15 July 2014 22:28, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now.

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/07/14 02:50, Risker wrote: On 15 July 2014 22:28, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Jasper Deng
I've actually found this to be a rather big pet peeve of mine w/ CentralAuth over the years. It would seem that logging out in CentralAuth means deleting everything in the cache with the user's info in it. I'd prefer that we did Google's system that, in addition to allowing a separate sign out

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Jasper Deng date=2014-07-15 time=21:50:18 -0700 I'd prefer that we did Google's system that, in addition to allowing a separate sign out all other sessions option, also allows users to monitor which IP addresses their account was accessed from (which however would be akin to self

Re: [Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior

2014-07-15 Thread Pine W
Thank you very much. When there are technical issues such as this email issue, Wikipedia pages not loading, and so on, is there a page or mailing list (ironic, I know) where alerts should be visible? I'm familiar with the IRC tech channel but I am hoping there is a webpage or mailing list that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior

2014-07-15 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Jul 16, 2014 1:42 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: When there are technical issues such as this email issue, Wikipedia pages not loading, and so on, is there a page or mailing list (ironic, I know) where alerts should be visible? I'm familiar with the IRC tech channel but I am hoping

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page

2014-07-15 Thread Florian Schmidt
e.g. you have to restart your browser and are logged out in the process: all open tabs are redirected to Special:Userlogin, and you have to log in a dozen times, or manually edit URLs. Is there any use case for this scenario why to have a login page when returnto/returntoquery is set and you