Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP
It would really simplify things for win32 PDL if an easy, 1-click addition for gfortran were available. We're spending a lot of development time working around the lack of a fortran compiler on win32 perls. Since gcc includes one, it is more of a packaging and distribution issue than one of existence. Cheers, Chris On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Karel Miko karel.m...@hotmail.com wrote: In preparing the next Strawberry release you've no doubt noticed that mingw-w64 32bit version cannot build a working Perl after gcc version 4.4.3 on Windows XP. Yes, in fact it was during the last week when we have found out (with help of BinGOs and Ranguard via IRC) that gcc-4.4.7 and 4.6.1 (not only with mingw-w64 runtime but also with mingw.org's runtime) produce perl binaries that crash on Windows XP. For strawberry perl 5.14.2.0 we have decided to use: - on 32 bit version gcc-4.4.3 (with slightly old mingw-w64 runtime) http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/32_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w32-20100123-kmx-v3.zip - on 64 bit version gcc-4.4.7(prereleae) (with mingw-w64 runtime 1.0.1) http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/64_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w64-gcc4.4.7(pre)_20111014.zip Commit 180422 to the 4.6 branch of gcc fixes the problem - I've cross compiled my own 32bit 4.6.2 release (the tagged 4.6.2 release includes this fix) which compiles a working Perl 5.14.2 on Windows XP. Many thanks , this is a valuable piece of information for me as I was in doubts where to start reporting/discussing the issue, now it is clear. For my own use, I need to move to 4.6.2 as 4.4.7 cannot compile wxWidgets 2.9.x branch. As a side benefit I also get an up to date v2 mingw-w64 crt. I'll be publishing source, patches and build instructions at http://perlmingw.sourceforge.net/ (plus, of course, the compiled releases). The patches are just the minimum necessary from sezero build and TDM GCC builds to get a working dist. Just a thought, but it might be nice if we had a sort of 'standard' gcc for Perl on Windows. Why not. As for my opinion concerning gcc toolchain included in strawberry perl: - we would strongly prefer to use mingw-w64 (not mingw.org) runtime for both 32/64bit - we have no special preference as for the gcc version (but versions like gcc-X.Y.0 are perhaps too in development for us) - we need gcc toolchain supporting gccroot/include and gccroot/lib directories in search paths (without explicit -I or -L options) - we would appreciate gcc toolchain with frotran (maybe a kind of addon or extra package) as it comes handy to PDL guys using strawberry Anyhow, I think you could just backport the fix to the current 4.4.7 branch. But, for what it is worth, Strawberry users will be unable to compile wxWidgets 2.9.x branches (without some patching at least) OK, I take it as your gcc upgrade request - we will probably aim at gcc-4.6.2 + mingw-w64 runtime (v2 or latest v2RC) However, currently the release candidates for strawberry 5.14.2.0 are IMHO too good to let them fall on the floor. I think that the updated gcc-toolchain cannot be expected sonner than in 5.14.2.1 (don't ask me when as our release schedule is slightly demolished - as you have probably noticed) BTW for all that might be interested - latest RC's are available at: http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/p5.14.2.0-RC/ -- kmx
Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP
For the strawberry perl we have both gcc + fortran packs 32bit: http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/32_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w32-gcc4.4.7-pre_2001.zip http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/32_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w32-gfortran4.4.7-pre_2001.zip 64bit: http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/64_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w64-gcc4.4.7-pre_2001.zip http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/64_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w64-gfortran4.4.7-pre_2001.zip src code + build scripts: http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/gcctoolchain_src/mingw64-src-gcc4.4.7-pre_2001.tar But it is still old gcc-4.4.7 (with backported 4.6.2-rev180422 fix to avoid WinXP crashes) that does not handle well wxWidgets as Mark stated below. As for the future gcc-4.6.2 toolchain there is also an interesting question about including pthreads or winpthreads support as PDL is AFAIK somohow able to handle threads this way (not sure if this is valid for Win32) -- kmx On 2.11.2011 17:46, Chris Marshall wrote: It would really simplify things for win32 PDL if an easy, 1-click addition for gfortran were available. We're spending a lot of development time working around the lack of a fortran compiler on win32 perls. Since gcc includes one, it is more of a packaging and distribution issue than one of existence. Cheers, Chris On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Karel Mikokarel.m...@hotmail.com wrote: In preparing the next Strawberry release you've no doubt noticed that mingw-w64 32bit version cannot build a working Perl after gcc version 4.4.3 on Windows XP. Yes, in fact it was during the last week when we have found out (with help of BinGOs and Ranguard via IRC) that gcc-4.4.7 and 4.6.1 (not only with mingw-w64 runtime but also with mingw.org's runtime) produce perl binaries that crash on Windows XP. For strawberry perl 5.14.2.0 we have decided to use: - on 32 bit version gcc-4.4.3 (with slightly old mingw-w64 runtime) http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/32_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w32-20100123-kmx-v3.zip - on 64 bit version gcc-4.4.7(prereleae) (with mingw-w64 runtime 1.0.1) http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/64_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w64-gcc4.4.7(pre)_20111014.zip Commit 180422 to the 4.6 branch of gcc fixes the problem - I've cross compiled my own 32bit 4.6.2 release (the tagged 4.6.2 release includes this fix) which compiles a working Perl 5.14.2 on Windows XP. Many thanks , this is a valuable piece of information for me as I was in doubts where to start reporting/discussing the issue, now it is clear. For my own use, I need to move to 4.6.2 as 4.4.7 cannot compile wxWidgets 2.9.x branch. As a side benefit I also get an up to date v2 mingw-w64 crt. I'll be publishing source, patches and build instructions at http://perlmingw.sourceforge.net/ (plus, of course, the compiled releases). The patches are just the minimum necessary from sezero build and TDM GCC builds to get a working dist. Just a thought, but it might be nice if we had a sort of 'standard' gcc for Perl on Windows. Why not. As for my opinion concerning gcc toolchain included in strawberry perl: - we would strongly prefer to use mingw-w64 (not mingw.org) runtime for both 32/64bit - we have no special preference as for the gcc version (but versions like gcc-X.Y.0 are perhaps too in development for us) - we need gcc toolchain supportinggccroot/include andgccroot/lib directories in search paths (without explicit -I or -L options) - we would appreciate gcc toolchain with frotran (maybe a kind of addon or extra package) as it comes handy to PDL guys using strawberry Anyhow, I think you could just backport the fix to the current 4.4.7 branch. But, for what it is worth, Strawberry users will be unable to compile wxWidgets 2.9.x branches (without some patching at least) OK, I take it as your gcc upgrade request - we will probably aim at gcc-4.6.2 + mingw-w64 runtime (v2 or latest v2RC) However, currently the release candidates for strawberry 5.14.2.0 are IMHO too good to let them fall on the floor. I think that the updated gcc-toolchain cannot be expected sonner than in 5.14.2.1 (don't ask me when as our release schedule is slightly demolished - as you have probably noticed) BTW for all that might be interested - latest RC's are available at: http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/p5.14.2.0-RC/ -- kmx
Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP
- Original Message - From: Mark Dootson mark.doot...@znix.com To: Chris Marshall devel.chm...@gmail.com Cc: Karel Miko karel.m...@hotmail.com; win32-vanilla@perl.org Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP Hi, At mingw-w64 Oskan Sezer (sezero) has updated his release of gcc 4.5.4 including latest patches. [snip] I do not see gcc-4.5.4 at gcc.gnu.org . The latest gcc-4.5.X I see is gcc-4.5.3. Does such a release really exist ? Thanks, Sergei.
Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP
It is the 32bit version of mingw-w64. Source at http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw-w64/files/Toolchains%20targetting%20Win32/Personal%20Builds/sezero_4.5_2001/ The native 32 bit compiler is mingw-w32-bin_i686-mingw_2001_sezero.zip The bundled compiler toolchains that come with Strawberry Perl are based on http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net/ Hope it helps Mark On 02/11/2011 17:41, Sergei Steshenko wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Dootsonmark.doot...@znix.com To: Chris Marshalldevel.chm...@gmail.com Cc: Karel Mikokarel.m...@hotmail.com; win32-vanilla@perl.org Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP Hi, At mingw-w64 Oskan Sezer (sezero) has updated his release of gcc 4.5.4 including latest patches. [snip] I do not see gcc-4.5.4 at gcc.gnu.org . The latest gcc-4.5.X I see is gcc-4.5.3. Does such a release really exist ? Thanks, Sergei.
Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP
Visiting http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw-w64/files/Toolchains%20targetting%20Win32/Personal%20Builds/sezero_4.5_2001/ I see gcc: 4.5.4-prerelease (svn r.180676 with patches), so the prerelease part solves the mystery. Regards, Sergei. - Original Message - From: Mark Dootson mark.doot...@znix.com To: Sergei Steshenko sergst...@yahoo.com Cc: win32-vanilla@perl.org win32-vanilla@perl.org Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:08 PM Subject: Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP It is the 32bit version of mingw-w64. Source at http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw-w64/files/Toolchains%20targetting%20Win32/Personal%20Builds/sezero_4.5_2001/ The native 32 bit compiler is mingw-w32-bin_i686-mingw_2001_sezero.zip The bundled compiler toolchains that come with Strawberry Perl are based on http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net/ Hope it helps Mark On 02/11/2011 17:41, Sergei Steshenko wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Dootsonmark.doot...@znix.com To: Chris Marshalldevel.chm...@gmail.com Cc: Karel Mikokarel.m...@hotmail.com; win32-vanilla@perl.org Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP Hi, At mingw-w64 Oskan Sezer (sezero) has updated his release of gcc 4.5.4 including latest patches. [snip] I do not see gcc-4.5.4 at gcc.gnu.org . The latest gcc-4.5.X I see is gcc-4.5.3. Does such a release really exist ? Thanks, Sergei.
Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP
Mark, As you probably know strawberry perl is using sezero's gcc toolchain build since approx April 2010. We use nearly exactly the original sezero's gcc 4.4.x toolchain - there are basically 2 things we have changed 1/ sezero's gcc builds ignore gccroot/include dir when searching for *.h files which is not good as we put a lot of stuff into c:\strawberry\c\include - fortunately the fix is just a little change to build scripts not to gcc code (more details at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2886331group_id=202880atid=983354) 2/ we have one more header: glext/glxext.h Upgrading strawberry perl to sezero's gcc-4.5.x (which works well with latest wxWidget, right?) is feasible as Ozkan has done a really great job (carefully selected patches, nicely prepared, easily to rebuild). The only thing as regards strawberry perl is that we need to rebuild with gcc-4.5.x also all external libraries (20-30 packages). That's the point where I am in doubts whether to go 4.4.x 4.5.x or directly 4.4.x 4.6.x The biggest (the only) disadvantage of gcc-4.6.x is that Ozkan have currently no plans making gcc-4.6.x build (I have asked him a couple of days ago) - so with gcc-4.6.x we loose all comfort we have now with his gcc-4.4.x/4.5.x builds -- kmx On 2.11.2011 18:04, Mark Dootson wrote: Hi, At mingw-w64 Oskan Sezer (sezero) has updated his release of gcc 4.5.4 including latest patches. This solves my wxWidgets (c++) issues ( and general c++ exception problems for many other things I expect). It should also solve the Windows XP CRT issue which caused strawberry to stick with gcc 4.4.3 for Win32 - I haven't tested on XP yet (Oskan only updated it today) but I've tested the relevant patch for other builds so it should work fine. It comes with gfortran. No expectations of Oskan of course, but given Oskan's record of updating his releases and ease of using his source patches + buildscripts yourself if you wish, this looks like a favourite base for a Perl gcc dist. Mark On 02/11/2011 16:46, Chris Marshall wrote: It would really simplify things for win32 PDL if an easy, 1-click addition for gfortran were available. We're spending a lot of development time working around the lack of a fortran compiler on win32 perls. Since gcc includes one, it is more of a packaging and distribution issue than one of existence. Cheers, Chris On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Karel Mikokarel.m...@hotmail.com wrote: In preparing the next Strawberry release you've no doubt noticed that mingw-w64 32bit version cannot build a working Perl after gcc version 4.4.3 on Windows XP. Yes, in fact it was during the last week when we have found out (with help of BinGOs and Ranguard via IRC) that gcc-4.4.7 and 4.6.1 (not only with mingw-w64 runtime but also with mingw.org's runtime) produce perl binaries that crash on Windows XP. For strawberry perl 5.14.2.0 we have decided to use: - on 32 bit version gcc-4.4.3 (with slightly old mingw-w64 runtime) http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/32_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w32-20100123-kmx-v3.zip - on 64 bit version gcc-4.4.7(prereleae) (with mingw-w64 runtime 1.0.1) http://strawberryperl.com/package/kmx/64_gcctoolchain/mingw64-w64-gcc4.4.7(pre)_20111014.zip Commit 180422 to the 4.6 branch of gcc fixes the problem - I've cross compiled my own 32bit 4.6.2 release (the tagged 4.6.2 release includes this fix) which compiles a working Perl 5.14.2 on Windows XP. Many thanks , this is a valuable piece of information for me as I was in doubts where to start reporting/discussing the issue, now it is clear. For my own use, I need to move to 4.6.2 as 4.4.7 cannot compile wxWidgets 2.9.x branch. As a side benefit I also get an up to date v2 mingw-w64 crt. I'll be publishing source, patches and build instructions at http://perlmingw.sourceforge.net/ (plus, of course, the compiled releases). The patches are just the minimum necessary from sezero build and TDM GCC builds to get a working dist. Just a thought, but it might be nice if we had a sort of 'standard' gcc for Perl on Windows. Why not. As for my opinion concerning gcc toolchain included in strawberry perl: - we would strongly prefer to use mingw-w64 (not mingw.org) runtime for both 32/64bit - we have no special preference as for the gcc version (but versions like gcc-X.Y.0 are perhaps too in development for us) - we need gcc toolchain supportinggccroot/include andgccroot/lib directories in search paths (without explicit -I or -L options) - we would appreciate gcc toolchain with frotran (maybe a kind of addon or extra package) as it comes handy to PDL guys using strawberry Anyhow, I think you could just backport the fix to the current 4.4.7 branch. But, for what it is worth, Strawberry users will be unable to compile wxWidgets 2.9.x branches (without some patching at least) OK, I take it as your gcc upgrade request - we will probably aim at gcc-4.6.2 +
Re: gcc for building Perl on WinXP
- Original Message - From: kmx As for the future gcc-4.6.2 toolchain there is also an interesting question about including pthreads or winpthreads support as PDL is AFAIK somohow able to handle threads this way (not sure if this is valid for Win32) Yes, pthreads works with PDL on Win32. There's a crash in one of PDL's pthread test scripts that needs to be sorted out, but the basic functionality seems to be fine. Cheers, Rob
