Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?

2008-07-27 Thread tonylist
And if you could get then what you do with them?? Wimax mini-pci are client side only there is no way to use them as a Wimax base stations. The protocol does not allow for it and there is allot more to a base then a radio and software. This is not to say someone could not hack a radio and hal to

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
It's 1 watt per MHz of channel width. It's up to the FCC to certify something for more than 20 MHz of channel space. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Agreed. That's why I use higher powered cards is so that I regular power level at high modulation. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, what you have to do is include a number of gigs that cover typical and slightly above typical usage. Structure it so only power users or P2P users would top that usage. For some new projects I'm working on, I'm considering a 50 gig package for $50/month. -- Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
http://82.165.144.139/dtvkaku/launch_02.asp about 3:25 in the video. 250 - 750 MHz 950 - 1450 MHz 1650 - 2150 MHz That's what travels over the wires. The BBC would only make a difference on the 3 cable from the BBC to the receiver. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] OLSR mesh with Demarctech

2008-07-27 Thread Japhy Bartlett
the OLSR folks have a pretty responsive mailing list - you might try going straight to them. - Japhy On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM, ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi- I'm trying to get familiar with setting up wireless mesh using the Demarctech products. I'm very experienced with Tropos

Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?

2008-07-27 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
That's good stuff. I wonder why we are still running two coax' on all of our installs. Gotta ask our DTV trainers about that. Still, none of these bands overlap bands we are using so that is a good thing. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Larry Yunker
Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. I would have to disagree. It would appear that in this case, the FCC would be treating an

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
I definitely do not agree with what thay are doing to Comcast, except that Comcast right out lied about it. The FCC should not be allowed to tell me how I run my network. If they are going to do that, then they may as well make internet regulated and make internet tariff's. I think the FCC would

Re: [WISPA] Weird signal levels

2008-07-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've seen both things happen. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mikrotik discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird signal levels We had

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We have one very large customer that uses 60 gig per month. They pay the same price for that that they would for a t-1 in this area. $350 per month. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread reader
Can anyone explain why the rule would encourage spectrum hogging?Use wider channel = get more eirp??? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday,

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread reader
usage based means tiers of prices... No matter what you tell people or how you warn them, if your bill this month is $100 and last month it was $25, they WILL BE ANGRY. Further, automating systems to bill per gig is kind of a pain. The answer, then, I guess is... convenience.

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Matt
usage based means tiers of prices... No matter what you tell people or how you warn them, if your bill this month is $100 and last month it was $25, they WILL BE ANGRY. Further, automating systems to bill per gig is kind of a pain. The answer, then, I guess is... convenience. We were

Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?

2008-07-27 Thread John Scrivner
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can hack the MAC on atheros based chipsets. If hacking th MAC is your thing I guess you can. I would rather pay for companies to produce the properly designed and tested radio platforms and sell Internet access to my customers. If I

Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?

2008-07-27 Thread reader
We can hack the MAC on atheros based chipsets. Well, could, if we could get some funding together and some sharp minds... MIMO interests me too. Again, the same hackable chipsets... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread John Scrivner
The FCC must have been asleep when they set the rule this way. The rule should have been the opposite. If you want high power then use narrow channels and become more spectrally efficient. I am going to try to get a little face time with Julie Knapp and see if he can explain to me how they got

Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?

2008-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
Hacking and atheros chipset wouldnt be the same as hacking a wimax chipset gino -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:13 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
My same way of thinking, what the fcc was thinking? gino -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field The FCC must have been asleep when they set the

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread David Hulsebus
I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. I have 60 customers that I loose money on every month. I can afford the implementation for what I will gain in

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not an engineer, but from what I understand when you apply 20 dBm to channels of different widths, the same gross power is spread out. Each Hz receives less power in a wider channel. This rule allows the larger channels to not face the power punishment. Spectral efficiency has little to

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Right, Mike. The FCC's thinking appears to be power density and not just straight power. This is why, with the same power, you will see roughly a 3dB RX increase from cutting the channel size in half. -Hal -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe our only chance at mobile devices is TV whitespaces. 900 is too full of other things and 3.65 doesn't have enough penetration. There is at least one other company working on non-802.11 non 802.16 equipment for 3.65 GHz and 5 GHz with all of these features and 900 MHz with some (I'm

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Shannon theorm states that a channel capacity is constrained by the following equation: C=B log(2)(1+S/N) Where the capacity of the channel is C, B is the bandwidth of the channel, S is signal and N is noise. Rearranging terms and holding some things constant. Lets consider noise and signal

[WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest to the SW, 146.7km next closest to the South) and I have no desire to point coverage in that direction - mainly north and northwest. But according to the FCC, I'd be

Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Charles Wyble
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest to the SW, 146.7km next closest to the South) and I have no desire to point coverage in that direction - mainly north and northwest. But

Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
I've read your blogs and have been keeping up with them. What I can't seem to find is the ULS registrations for the actual earth satellite stations. It seems like most other ULS entires, they have a contact address and a person's name. I did a Geosearch of Orange County, FL (the Sprint

Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
In a couple years NASA's not going to be using the shuttles anymore, so they'll be easier to get a hold of. ;-) -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Charles Wyble
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? For better or for worse my blog posts seem to be the only material of substance I can find on the subject. I wish that wasn't the case. :) Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Larry Yunker
I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
With byte cap tiers (the majority of deployment plans outside of the US, by the way) the most likely leak are the youngsters on the home computer network. The solution to leak shock is communication...well before the limit is reached if it is climbing rapidly and at, for example, 75% and 100%.

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Could have a program or site that shows current usage and encourage they monitor it... or email them an alert when it appears they'll pass their allowance. Maybe an ntop page that breaks down types of usage. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
Hi Doug...I've been doing this since January and it's been very slow. Comsearch seems to rep many of the FSSes. As soon as I have more info on where we are I'll post it or you can contact me off list. Thanks leon * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 7/27/2008 6:16 PM: Has anyone gotten any headway on

Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Jerry Richardson
Yep. We have 4 grandfathered sites in our region. One signed off, one is deactive with the license surendered, one is att, and the 4th is sprint. I hope to have sprint and att signed off in the next 30 days --- airCloud Communications Jerry Richardson

Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?

2008-07-27 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
I used to live in Boca Raton and my ham repeater is still on the air down there. We're also doing some 3650 in Florida as well. Currently we're 4 miles just west of the 150km zone so we're in the clear. I've had numerous calls with higherups at the WTB on this over the last few months. Leon

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread reader
Then could someone explain how this works out in real life? The problem I have here, is that it appears that if we deploy some 3 or 5 mhz channels, we're going to be severely hampered EIRP-wise, from reaching any distance at all. Now, the UBNT XR3's are certified for a 5, 10, and 20 mzh

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
Fully agree John. All this does was reproduce the Wmux/tsunami problem that plaqued 2.4 and 5.8 WISPs. Important that when we pitch lite licensed like 3650, that we are only talking about the AP registration, and part90, and NOT the power level rules. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc

Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
The differences is... The consumer can see the pool full of water, as it fills. The consumer can't see the bit-torrent traffic as it fills their usage budget. Or for that matter, they can't see their bandwidth usage pool filling with any type of traffic. There is no perception of traffic size,