[WSG] More links for light reading...

2004-02-02 Thread russ weakley
1. Tantek (inventor of the Tantek hack) is doing an interesting exercise - restyle his blog every few days with the same layuot as some of the top 100 blogs, but with web standards. Exclusive use of CSS for presentation. No table/gif/font layouts (unlike many of the top 100).

[WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Universal Head
I was thinking today, what the world needs now (apart from love, sweet love), is some genius programmer to come up with an app (must be OSX of course ...) that acts like a browser, but has a popup from which you can select a browser version and platform, which it then accurately emulates. You

[WSG] Opera - hrumph - more like school play ...

2004-02-02 Thread Universal Head
Another day - another rendering mystery ... http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jazzfactory/jazzfactory/ http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jazzfactory/jazzfactory/css/main.css Everything's working fine everywhere EXCEPT Opera6 (Mac). For some reason Opera shifts the whole container to the

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Martin Chapman
I suppose you could argue that Dreamweaver (and GoLive?) do this (but we don't use them right? ;o) ) I actually posted feedback to Apple for such an idea from within Safari... a web developer environment for us webbies! On 2 Feb 2004, at 07:13, Universal Head wrote: I was thinking today, what

[WSG] PHP and webstandards conference

2004-02-02 Thread James Ellis
Hi all One for the Poms among us. I've been milling around the PHP.net site this evening and noted that 'pawscon' is on...http://www.pawscon.com/... in Manchester, Ingerland. Sessions look interesting... http://www.pawscon.com/sessions Looks like some nifty stuff including PHP with XSLT, XML,

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Ben Bishop
Peter, It exists. It's platform independent. It even overcomes the inherent flaws of browser emulators and simulators. It's called Browsercam. You can even use it at http://www.browsercam.com/ But shhh, you aren't allowed to tell anyone. You could simply stanch the tears, salve the pain and

[WSG] AOL in full CSS

2004-02-02 Thread russ weakley
AOL is now full CSS http://www.andybudd.com/blog/archives/000149.html Like most big site makeovers, the first thing people notice are the sites problems. In the case of AOL, the site doesn¹t validate, a lot of the text is image based, the text is a little small and overlaps its containers when

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Justin French
Ben, This is starting to sound like a holy war thread, so I'll try and keep things on-topic and as objective as possible. It exists. It's platform independent. It even overcomes the inherent flaws of browser emulators and simulators. It's called Browsercam. You can even use it at

[WSG] CSS Menu like on Dev-Edge - tutorial anywhere?

2004-02-02 Thread Michael Kear
I've been trying to figure out how the nice CSS-based menu on the Netscape Dev-Edge.com works, but when I look at the style sheets they use, there are so many bits and pieces all over the place, It's totally confusing for me. Is there a tutorial anywhere that shows how to make this menu?

Re: [WSG] Opera - hrumph - more like school play ...

2004-02-02 Thread Lucian Teo
It's the margin: 0 auto 0 auto; in #container. but I'm sure you already knew that. Funny thing is, Opera on my Mac seems to load the page forever and pushes the container even farther when I hit stop. Lucian Teo http://tribolum.com/ On Feb 2, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Universal Head wrote: Another

Re: [WSG] object z-indexing

2004-02-02 Thread Simon Jessey
- Original Message - From: Phillips, Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flash will always come to the top as it is an activeX object you can use the wmode parameter but that is not supported in all browsers http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/flash_top_layer.htm Thanks for

Re: [WSG] object z-indexing

2004-02-02 Thread Simon Jessey
- Original Message - From: James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flash will always come to the top as in the link below although this is not due to the Active-x i-ness of the plugin (Flash is only an ActiveX control for IE for Windows - see the object tag discussion at that xml.com link I

Re: [WSG] Opera - hrumph - more like school play ...

2004-02-02 Thread Universal Head
It's the margin: 0 auto 0 auto; in #container. but I'm sure you already knew that. Err, no I didn't. Opera has a problem with auto margins? How do I get the container to centre in Opera then? Funny thing is, Opera on my Mac seems to load the page forever and pushes the container even

Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity

2004-02-02 Thread Ian Main
Veine, I just tested it in Netscape 7.1/XP and everything renders correctly. Also in Mozilla FB.7 it is behaving itself just fine. Make sure your client's browser settings are set to default, ie; without text zoom, etc. Regards, Ian. Hello; Well, thanks to the Dane on this list

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Ben Bishop
Justin, ...doesn't preview content 'below the fold'...doesn't let you preview behaviour of pseudo classes or the behaviour of JavaScript...doesn't allow the tester to play with various user preferences, system preferences, and things like increasing or decreasing font sizes... True it's not

[WSG] Incorrect display of characters

2004-02-02 Thread Ralph Mazzitelli
Hey all.. Now there might be a really simple answer to this, but I recently been reading the article http://www.uiweb.com/issues/issue24.htm For some reason, when I was at home using Firebird 0.7 or Opera 7, characters such as ' appear normal. However, when I use IE6.0 at work, characters such

[WSG] Flowchart using CSS

2004-02-02 Thread Chris Blown
Hey How would one markup a simple flowchart using xhtml / css? A few ul? Hardest part is how to do the connecting lines.. Any ideas? Cheers Chris Blown * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Opera bug?

2004-02-02 Thread Luc
Hello Chris, It was foretold that on 2-2-2004 @ 12:55:01 GMT+1100 (which was 2:55:01 where I live) Chris Stratford would mumble: snipped a bit CS When I use anchors like that I use:: Yeah, that's the traditional way i know, but in this case using CSS i noticed that it works in most

RE: [WSG] Flowchart using CSS

2004-02-02 Thread Mark Stanton
I honestly think that flowcharts are one example where HTML is not the right answer. For one there are no real semantics available for this type of information and secondly you're going to have a bugger of a time making it look decent. I'd go for a graphic with a descriptive paragraph in the

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Andrew Sione Taumoefolau
On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 17:13, Universal Head wrote: I was thinking today, what the world needs now (apart from love, sweetlove), is some genius programmer to come up with an app (must be OSXof course ...) that acts like a browser, but has a popup from whichyou can select a browser version and

Re: [WSG] Flowchart using CSS

2004-02-02 Thread Justin French
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 10:48 AM, Chris Blown wrote: How would one markup a simple flowchart using xhtml / css? A few ul? Hardest part is how to do the connecting lines.. I don't think there's enough semantic elements to do this any justice, but providing a visual diagram of what you'd

Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity

2004-02-02 Thread Ryan Christie
This really has nothing to do with your email, but I'd recommend staying away from image maps :) i always peek under the hood at the sites that get sent out on the list. As it's not released yet, you'd still have time to change your deployment method. If you don't agree, that's cool. I'm just

RE: [WSG] Flowchart using CSS

2004-02-02 Thread Chris Stratford
You could use CSS... Simply have: div class=question FlowChart Prepared /div then the CSS could be: div.question { background-image: url(diamond.gif); background-repear: no-repeat; } etc... simply use images, but it would be a lot simpler than making them up yourself

Re: [WSG] Flowchart using CSS

2004-02-02 Thread davidm
I think what you are looking for is something like this. http://www.surfare.net/~toolman/temp/diagram.html -- -- -- -- -- -- -- David Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.marshy.com/ Chris Blown

Re: [WSG] Flowchart using CSS

2004-02-02 Thread Cameron Adams
I think it's impossible to do in HTML, there's no way you can model the relationships. You'd need to write your own XML schema to fully encompass everything that needs to be represented, then parse it through some rendering system to make any decent sense out of it. You have to draw a line

[WSG] Two column CSS layout. One fixed when scrolling in IE?

2004-02-02 Thread davidm
Can anyone point me to a resource or let me know if it is possible to have a two column layout and have one of them fixed when the page is scrolled in Internet Explorer. I am aware that position: fixed works in CSS 2 supported browsers but IE doesn't recognise this. I have seen some

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge [Virus checkedAU]

2004-02-02 Thread Viktor . Radnai
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Peter, What you'll need: 1. One (possibly obsolete) PC for each version of Internet Explorer you want to test on. You can arrange the monitors in a semicircle around the desk or possibly use a KVM switch. Or you could use Virtual PC

Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity

2004-02-02 Thread Veine K Vikberg
Ryan; Lets hear your reasoning for not using them, and I am willing to change if your reasoning is good enough ;o) However, this client is these days *very* concerned with download time, and as it stands the page is downloading at approximately 8 seconds on a 56K modem under perfect conditions

Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity

2004-02-02 Thread Veine K Vikberg
ROFLMAO! Veine, I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, but the reason for not using image maps is primarily accessibility. Have a look at this: http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainemaritime.edu%2Fredesign Brad; That is a great resource, I don't have any

RE: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Taco Fleur
Title: Message Do you mean this http://www.browsercam.com/ ? Taco Fleur Blog http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/Methodology http://www.tacofleur.com/index/methodology/ Tell me and I will forgetShow me and I will rememberTeach me and I will learn -Original Message-From:

RE: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge

2004-02-02 Thread Taco Fleur
Title: Message Ignore this post (and any other that might arrive late), it was sent at 8:24 this morning, my mailserver (and everyone else apparently) has gone haywire, I guess its the virus that's going around. Taco Fleur Blog http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/Methodology

Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity

2004-02-02 Thread Ryan Christie
Where to begin... I was going to quote Zeldman's orange book, being the little Zeldmanite I am, but I'll go freestyle in the hopes that I get his concepts well enough by this point in time! Image maps have (for the most part) fallen out of grace. I used to use them at one time (actually,

Re: [WSG] Going Mad with pleasing the browsers

2004-02-02 Thread Ryan Christie
It took me a week's worth of work before I actually smoothed out my CSS enough to the point where it tested correctly in all browsers that are CSS-layout capable. The rest just get fed the barebones HTML with sparse images, and a short sweet notice about upgrading their browser with download

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge [Virus checkedAU]

2004-02-02 Thread Universal Head
You hit my mental nail on the head Ryan. Peter On 03/02/2004, at 3:14 PM, Ryan Christie wrote: I think that what was more in our minds was a browser that could switch rendering engines on the fly in one window. For example, in the famous FB.7 release, if you navigate to a website that has

Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge [Virus checkedAU]

2004-02-02 Thread Justin French
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Ryan Christie wrote: I think that what was more in our minds was a browser that could switch rendering engines on the fly in one window. For example, in the famous FB.7 release, if you navigate to a website that has different CSS styles available

RE: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge [Virus checkedAU]

2004-02-02 Thread Chris Stratford
I don't think its entirely possible to have a website, look and feel exactly the same on every browser, on every OS... Its never been done with anything - software never looks or behaves the same way (unless its entire engine is ported over - ie. Games) Because OS's have their defining features,