Hang on...
That's pretty cool, but is there some way to make it spider your site
_externally_ for validity, instead? Thinking of those of us using
database'd CMSs and the like -- clearly, spidering a directory locally
isn't going to show anything useful! I'm completely inept when it comes
to
Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode?
I normally avoid quirks mode, but recently I had a client who insisted on
different coloured scrollbars in different sections of the site.
The demo pages worked straight away, but it took me ages to figure why it
didn't work on
Felix Miata wrote:
David Laakso wrote:
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote:
I myself set a base size on the body element (most of the time 76%
like Owen Briggs) and then use em's to set up the rest of the typography.
Hmm, 76% on the body element, thats 24% smaller than my default? Kinda
tough on us
Hello! Firstly, I want to thank everybody who has helped me so far,
including all the wonderful feedback I had once I asked for a site review.
Now, I'm having a bit of a brain fizzle and I can't figure out how to
prevent the text from being seen inbetween the buttons when I scroll.
Once the text
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Terrence Wood wrote:
Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode?
Yes, always... :)
No, only if it's necessary and unavoidable, e.g. in Eric B. Bednarz's
fixed-positioning solution: http://devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/.
I have seen this done on a couple
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote:
I don't know why there's this 'designers who reduce browser base font
size are evil' attitude. I go with Owen Briggs, who relates browser
default size to general OS GUI elements' font size.
No problem with that, other than the fact that we see those tiny
text-bits
You also need to make sure you apply a postion: to the parent.
eg: position:relative; z-index:0;
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:25:17 +, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello! Firstly, I want to thank everybody who has helped me so far,
including all the wonderful feedback I had once I asked for a
john wrote:
Now, I'm having a bit of a brain fizzle and I can't figure out how to
prevent the text from being seen inbetween the buttons when I scroll.
Once the text reaches the bottom of the buttons, I want it to
disappear...but for the life of me, I can't figure out. Perhaps I've
been working
sorry, I didnt visit your page before writing.
To hide the text, you will need to give the container that holds your
tabs a background colour - right now if is transparent.
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:04:14 +1100, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You also need to make sure you apply a
The solution you posted is user oriented. What about developers ?
Surely ANY solution has to be user orientated. After all, we are
designing sites for users, not for developers.
Chris
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People get off making this assumption because 10-12pt type is the most
common font size used in the print world, and 10-12px on screen is close
approximation of that. 12px type is the preferred size according to
research:
http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/41/onlinetext.htm
Felix
Nick wrote:
Yes, but how is a visitor to know what's 'correct'? Sites render with
slight differences even in Standards-compliant browsers... especially
if you take into account the font size issues currently being
discussed right here on the list. For me, rule number one of web
design is that
It does take a lot of time to debug for 3 iterations of IE, and if the
only benefit of IE6 standards mode is a fixed box model then it really
is a disservice to paying customers to have an additional layer of CSS
development/debugging which can be 'fixed' with a one liner
@Phillipe... I
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote:
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
I know of no limitations in IE6 when doing this, and it saves some
coding too. The improved box-model isn't reason enough to debug
several versions of IE/win. IE/win can be made to almost behave like a
good browser should-- in quirks mode.
From: Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
[...]
I know of no limitations in IE6 when doing this, and it saves some
coding too. The improved box-model isn't reason enough to
debug several
versions of IE/win. IE/win can be made to almost behave like a good
browser should-- in quirks mode.
It's
Hey List.
I have whipped up this calendar today.
http://www.neester.com/beta/calendar.html
Took me a while to get the PHP right, but yeah, an hour or two of code
crunching and I got it right!
Just perfect!
Then I skinned it with CSS...
All PERFECT again!
Then... I took a look with IE...
Checked
The solution you posted is user oriented. What
about developers ?
Surely ANY solution has to be user orientated.
After all, we are
designing sites for users, not for developers.
Chris
Yes, as far as I'm asking for help to develope a well
designed site, I'm thinking in the user.
When I
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:17:29 +, Sam - SS29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.ss29.co.uk/wsg/test.html
Float Left and Right with a few additions,
They need to be vertically centered as well:
are you able to make the top example look like the bottom one? one
image left aligned, one right
Hi,
Felix Miata wrote:
It is arrogant to impose it, rather than merely wish it. What you are
doing is saying to your visitors I can't actually know what your
default is, but regardless what it really is, it's too big for me, and
I'm imposing a xx% reduction from whatever you chose as most
ul#tabmenu { background: #E6; } should fix things up for you. Or
you can add that background declaration to your current #tabmenu
specs.
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Patrick Lauke wrote:
Anyway, if the whole quirks mode thing is only used to throw IE into
the old box model, why not simply circumvent the problem by not using
padding?
If that _was_ the only difference that caused problems, yes I would go
along with that. You are describing the solution I use
Thanks for the help, folks. I noticed, however, that when I do that, I
lose the line on top of the buttons, and I can't figure out how to keep
that *and* but a background in.
~john
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Dr. Zeus Web Development
http://www.DrZeus.net
content without clutter
on 11/18/2004
Im currently working on a project for a local council to make there site
Accessible and Validate.
Now as with most developers im working with W3C's HTML validate and WebXact from
watchfire for Accessibility.
Now the site is very large and as such a lot of the old content is still HTML
4.01
Diar Sirs.
I am try to adapt technic of serving the right MIME Type you may find at
http://keystonewebsites.com/articles/mime_type.php
Partially all fine - at my page i am serving application/xhtml+xml with
XHTML 1.1 Doctype to Mozilla based browsers and text/html with XHTML 1.0
Strict to
Chris
The usual way to bypass these kind of bugs is either declare
position:relative; or a line-height for the containing div. That tends
to kick IE into line.
Hope that helps,
Bryan
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From: Andrey V. Stefanenko
Why validator do not accept source with application/xhtml+xml ?
The validator does not send out application/xhtml+xml in its accept header, so
your script is behaving correctly by sending it text/html. You may wish to do
something like adding code that looks for an
Hi, Andrey.
This altered version of the script respects the Validator:
?php
/*
This script determines the preferred MIME type of a user agent
and then delivers either application/xhtml+xml or text/html.
Copyright (c) 2003 - 2004 Keystone Websites and Simon Jessey
*/
$charset =
Nick Lo wrote:
Nothing fundamentally wrong with your arguments but to balance them a
little I had a client just recently ask for text to be made smaller (it
wasn't in any way large) and they often ask for spacing to be reduced
in order to get more content above the fold.
This is where a
Felix (and anyone else),
When you buy wallpaper, how on earth do you manage to change the default
size of the pattern? Also, when you buy someone a coffee table book, say, of
great art works, do you buy them seven copies, each with a different size
type/layout and ask them which one they want?
I am not sure if this is the appropriate forum to ask this
question, if it is not, please excuse me.
We built http://www.ormap.org
which is a GIS site. Our problem occurs when a user clicks the "Back"
button.
What I am looking for is code to detect when the "Back"
button is clicked
Hi, everybody!
I am reading the list for quite some time, so first of all a big thank
to all of you who share their knowledge and tricks with fools like me.
Regarding to the font size discussion I feel I have to give my first
input to the list:
Somebody buys a laptop with a 14 inch screen and
designer wrote:
When you buy wallpaper, how on earth do you manage to change the default
size of the pattern? Also, when you buy someone a coffee table book, say, of
great art works, do you buy them seven copies, each with a different size
type/layout and ask them which one they want?
You are
Lothar B. Baier wrote:
I design all my websites on a
computer with the screenresolution set appropriate to the size of the
screen I use. If the user does the same, he will be able to read, what
is written there. If not, it's not my fault.
It's just a shame not everybody is like you then, isn't
Hi all,
my name is Julián, i'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
I have read this great tutorial
(http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-char-enc/)
recommended by WSG . The article makes things more clearly to me, but
not totally..
I feel this topic (choosing encoding and using special
-Original Message-
From: Lothar B. Baier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 7:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance
I design all my websites on a
computer with the screenresolution set appropriate to the size of the
screen I
Hi!
Patrick and Andreas, you both are right on one hand. But on the other
one it's not so simple. My goal is surely to produce websites, which can
be use by everybody and please their eyes.
But is it my fault, that dell or hp ore other produce laptops, which
screensize and screen resolution
I think you'll find that ...
A: You can't detect that.
B: Its best left in the users hands.
The back button is the lifeline of many users. Sometimes its the ONLY
click that they know EXACTLY where they will go. To do anything with
script would be a usability disaster.
I think you need to
Selectively quoting and removing the key point I made misrepresents
what I said in my earlier email:
There is nothing arrogant about wanting my design translated as close
as possible across all platforms, for all visitors. There is only
arrogance where the designer (or worse still, the client who
Hi Julin,
We have issues in New Zealand with words in Mori. In government we
are required to use macrons to indicate a long vowel sound in Mori
words. The way we do it is to use UTF-8 as the document character set
encoded in 7-bit ASCII. More info is available here:
Hi Julin,
I think it's even a difficult article for techies, because there's
little good advice. So here's some good advice,
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
"In this article I'll fill you in on exactly
what every working
programmer
should know. All that stuff about
Absolutely Natalie.
I also note that Felix has not stepped up to the plate to support any of
his opinions with research based results despite demanding (and getting)
the same from the ``designer's side'' of the debate.
Pointing to bug fixes for mozilla doesn't cut it as research. I think if
Hey Bryan,
Sorry but that didn't help??
I added position: relavite; and line-height: 100% to both the #content,
and to the table...
Neither worked on its own, or both together...
:(
Any other advice??
Bryan Davis wrote:
Chris
The usual way to bypass these kind of bugs is either declare
One comment...
which can be use by everybody
As long as you do that - there wont be any problems.
If the user is an idiot - and they configure their machine in a stupid
way - that's no-one's fault except the user.
Gary
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I would spend 95% of my time on special solutions or hacks, which are
pleasing only 5% of the users.
Although I wouldn't say it works out to be such a big percentage, but
you are right you would spend some time on it. But you need to start
spending that time on it, new laws being passed will
But is it my fault, that dell or hp ore other produce laptops, which
screensize and screen resolution are set to a default which makes it
impossible to read a text easy? Is it my fault, that the designers of
browsers after about 10 years of webstandards are not able to produce
browsers
hardware designers to not set the default resolution
of a screen to what is technicaly possible but to just something, which
is compatible with human eyesight.
What size, a pixel?
Engineers have created full-color screens, 400 pixels square, which are
smaller than a dime. Certainly setting a
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Actually, Felix has some interesting studies on his site about font
size, pixel, resolution relationships:
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/
And I couldn't agree more with you about stuff we design today probably
not working tomorrowbut y'know, thankfully seperating content and
also look here: http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/
On 2004-11-19 1:02 PM, Ben Curtis wrote:
This has been an interesting, if heated, thread. I think a large part of
it revolves around being unable to measure people's default font size.
The arrogance vs. idealist portion
Not sure if it's been mentioned on the list already, but Zeldman's video
keynote for WE04 is available online.
http://www.happycog.com/mov/
(although crikey, that 9MB file is not optimised for streaming - or
whatever pseudo-streaming over http quicktime implements - meaning that
you may be
here's some reading you might find useful:
The Dao of Web Design
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dao/
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Bryan Loeper wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:17:29 +, Sam - SS29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.ss29.co.uk/wsg/test.html
Float Left and Right with a few additions,
They need to be vertically centered as well:
are you able to make the top example look like the bottom one? one
image
Hi I would like to hear any feedback about a new site I've had in
development.
It is located at www.caexpo.com.au ;
The validation error about an I have noticed and will remedy soon.
Thanks,
Tim Hill
Computer Associates
Graphic Artist
tel: +612 9937 0792
fax: +612 9937 0546
[EMAIL
On my main page have just noticed that the header doesn't quite reach
all the way across the screen and neither does the header bottom
border. For some reason on my screen (800x600 res) there is the
smallest bit of horizontal scrolling, though it should not be
necessary and I don't know
very nice, good for me in IE6, ff1 and opera7.23
impressive css
text size is fine and does nt break layout as resize
The only small issue could be to doctyp not being a full one
see
http://webstandards.org/learn/templates/html401t.html
but others may think differently
SS
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G'day
On my main page have just noticed that the header doesn't quite
reach all the way across the screen and neither does the header bottom
border.
Not quite sure what you mean, but at 800x600 you would only see part of the
background image and at 1152x864 and above, it repeats. A
Points about allowing the user as much text size control as possible are
well made and I agree, however I don't think I'd have a job as a designer if
I relied upon the average user to change their browser's default text-size
manually. In my several years working on the web, and as a user prior
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote:
I go with Owen Briggs, who relates browser
default size to general OS GUI elements' font size.
Briggs' work is a disaster for web users. Here's my long-ago written
rebuttal: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html#note1
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Javier wrote:
Now, I'm a web developer that don't want to fall in
the tirany you described. What should I do to be a
better developer with the user in mine ? Do you have a
solution or recommendation ?
Start by understanding that the web is a fluid medium, and exactly what
that means. One
G'day
Just a couple of comments.
Some of the text (e.g. on the agenda page) is illegible (fuzzy, light grey
text) in Firefox on my PC. I don't want to start another thread on that,
but this is about the smallest text I've ever seen text on a site. It's so
small, I need to guess what it says
Thanks, Bert - footer fixed - will email off-list
Bert Doorn wrote:
G'day
On my main page have just noticed that the header doesn't quite
reach all the way across the screen and neither does the header bottom
border.
I get a small amount of horizontal scrolling at any resolution, even
Thanks for the feedback.
Regarding the Agenda page, for this page, we have a lot of information
on the page, hard to fit all of it on. I can understand the text is
quite small. I have not thought of a solution to this. I guess a
printable copy with larger text might be in order.
People who
Been working on this for quite a while, would love to hear what folks
have to say about it. Please note I am aware of the brokenness of the
'Theatre Archive'.
Thanks Much!
http://theatre.msu.edu
~j
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Professional Web Design
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Been working on this for quite a while, would love to hear what folks
have to say about it. Please note I am aware of the brokenness of the
'Theatre Archive'.
Thanks Much!
http://theatre.msu.edu
Not to be negative,
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Rick - I am aware. working to fix this, but my devel enviroment lacks
and Mac's, so I have to go in small steps.
Thanks though :)
~j
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I like what you've done a great deal.
A few small things :
i'm having trouble reading the 'keywords', probably due to a
combination of the size and the fact that it's all lowercase (slightly
larger would probably help) (fwiw - default firefox install on win).
Of course it might also be due to
I just launch my new site: http://www.cesargarcia.com
I wait for your commentaries.
Regards
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'Mr. Broken Record' here... it's busted on Mac IE 5.2.x if you care.
But on Safari it's fine and I am VERY impressed with your design and
execution
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