[WSG] Site review plz

2004-12-16 Thread Jacobus van Niekerk
Hi all, The url: http://www.azapi.com/ We are launching a new XHTML/CSS based CMS soon and would really appreciate your comments. We have launched the brochureware site already, and the CMS is 99% finished, it will launch mid Jan 2005. I look forward to your response! Kind Regards Jacobus van

RE: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-16 Thread Sam Hutchinson
Thanks James, I think the answer to my original question is yes, but, use it but with caution / watch out for bugs. The site itself will actually be populated by myself pre handover to the client, they will then just be using contribute to make updates and alterations to the pages, and if I set

Re: [WSG] Site review plz

2004-12-16 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 12/15/04 11:59 PM Jacobus van Niekerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: The url: http://www.azapi.com/ We are launching a new XHTML/CSS based CMS soon and would really appreciate your comments. We have launched the brochureware site already, and the CMS is 99% finished, it will launch mid

RE: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-16 Thread Nick Cowie
One of the main problems with the WA gov sites is that a little over two years ago a large number of govt departments got amalgamated. Most of my peers have spent the last couple of years trying to get three, four or more sites into a single logical structure (and boy it is fun with all the

RE: [WSG] Site review plz

2004-12-16 Thread Peter Goddard
Title: RE: [WSG] Site review plz Dear Jacobus The site looks good to me. I also followed the link to Catics. On the about us page you have the word 'ourselfs' (ourselves!) and webstandards is two words not hyphenated either (I hate that). I haven't looked for any more. Am I too

RE: [WSG] Site review plz

2004-12-16 Thread Sam Hutchinson
W3C CSS Validator Results for http://www.azapi.com/index.php?id=21 To work as intended, your CSS style sheet needs a correct document parse tree. This means you should use valid HTML. Errors URI : http://www.azapi.com/types/compAzapiWebsite/css/structure.css Line: 184 Context : h1#logo a Invalid

RE: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-16 Thread Gianfranco Todini
I see the difference instead, running firefox 1.0 on windows xp service pack 2 Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:49 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area,

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-16 Thread Andy Budd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I must admit I'm growing rather weary of all the negative remarks about Dreamweaver. I too am a Dreamweaver user. However on OS X at least, the preview mode still isn't up to scratch, although it is better than the previous version. Kornel Lesinski wrote: Are you

RE: [WSG] Site review plz

2004-12-16 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day The url: http://www.azapi.com/ Reviewing the home page only. Firefox 1.0 on Win2K, dial-up connection. The page took a long time to load. Looks like one of those if you don't have cable or ADSL we don't want your business type of sites. It does look good when it eventually finishes

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-16 Thread Simon Jessey
IE7 works very well indeed. The print style sheets problem can be overcome, I believe, but another problem exists - you cannot use a stylesheet switcher because it overrides the CSS that is used to fix IE. Simon Jessey Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Email: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Site review plz

2004-12-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
The url: http://www.azapi.com/ Reviewing the home page only. Firefox 1.0 on Win2K, dial-up connection. The page took a long time to load. Looks like one of those if you don't have cable or ADSL we don't want your business type of sites. I suggest converting top and bottom backgrounds to JPEG.

Re: [WSG] Up and down arrows using HTML entities

2004-12-16 Thread Rajib Mukherji
FYI, I'd like to remain a member on the website but do not have time to read any emails at the moment. I'm unsubscribing, hope you dont take it personally. Would seem like a good idea (tm) to maintain membership but not email people. Thanks and Regards Rajib

RE: [WSG] SiteCheck please

2004-12-16 Thread Sam Hutchinson
dunno, gave up waiting after about 10 seconds - and i'm on a 1MB line ! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Sabrina xxxSent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 03:12To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] SiteCheck please

Re: [WSG] noscript in xhtml1.0 strict

2004-12-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:37:49 +0100, Nick Verstappen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the noscript tag not allowed anymore in XHTML 1.0 Strict? I'm trying to use it, but it does not validate. If it IS allowed, what markup should I use to make it validate? Many thanks! Ofcourse it is allowed.

[WSG] CSS rounded box generator

2004-12-16 Thread Carlos Rincon Sanchez
Hi, first of all, greetings and let me introduce myself. I'm Carlos Rincón a web programmer of Neurotic (http://www.neuroticweb.com), a spanish web designers company. I've just made a frontend of Hard Grog Cafe CSS rounded box generator. http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/css-rounded-box/ I'll

Re: [WSG] noscript in xhtml1.0 strict

2004-12-16 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Nick Verstappen wrote: Is the noscript tag not allowed anymore in XHTML 1.0 Strict? I'm trying to use it, but it does not validate. If it IS allowed, what markup should I use to make it validate? Many thanks! Nick, you need to format it like this: div script type='text/javascript'

[WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, At the following url: http://working.ckimedia.com/index.php The delay when loading the background is giving me pause. Is this delay a huge usability issue, or has my quest become retentive? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you

Re: [WSG] SiteCheck please

2004-12-16 Thread David R
Sabrina xxx wrote: http://PirateQueen.tk http://piratequeen.tk/ let me know what you think :) xx %@ Import Namespace=PopIdol % %@ Register TagPrefix=Critic TagName=Simon Assembly=dlls\Simon.ascx % Critic:SimonCowell class=Harsh runat=server Frames? Animated Gifs? Big

Re: [WSG] noscript in xhtml1.0 strict

2004-12-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Brian Cummiskey wrote: div script type='text/javascript' src='java.js'/script noscript diva href=nojava.htmlNo JavaScript user link/a/div /noscript /div Even better would be to remove the script tag from the body and put it in the head (with the code itself in an external

RE: [WSG] CSS rounded box generator

2004-12-16 Thread Chris Rizzo
Good stuff, just what I needed. I have an implementation of rounded corners that doesn't work when I use it in e-newsletters and open in Outlook. Will give this a try. Thanks, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlos Rincon Sanchez

Re: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Nick Verstappen
Chris, You should at least add a (white, or light grey) background color to the body or div with the main content. If you do, users can start reading the content even when the background isn't loaded yet (or does nog load at all). Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, At the following url:

Re: [WSG] SiteCheck please

2004-12-16 Thread Brian Cummiskey
http://PirateQueen.tk http://piratequeen.tk/ let me know what you think :) admin, close this thread. it has NOTHING to do with webstandards. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-16 Thread David R
Post below: Michael Wilson wrote: I use Dreamweaver MX 2004 and, although I'm not certain what settings I may have changed since the initial install, I don't recall making any major adjustments to the preferences since that time. I believe I ticked on Make document XHTML compliant and set the

Re: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Charles Martin
Chris Kennon wrote: Any suggestions on bringing the file size down? I've tried interlacing the .gif the current size is the lowest without image degradation. Just for comparison, I took the image into PaintShopPro (yes, I'm too cheap to own Photoshop right now) and saved the image in JPEG

RE: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Mike Pepper
You can drop the image to 23K with a decent JPEG converter. The fact that it's a background means just that: it's subordinate to content. I have http://www.xat.com/ in my graphics manipulation armoury. Still the best after 3 years. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing

[WSG] my form field looks like the girl that chewed gum on willy Wonkas

2004-12-16 Thread Ted Drake
We have plenty of forms on our site and they all behave pretty well, except our search box. The coding is exactly the same, the style sheets are the same, but the text input box is huge! http://www.csatravelprotection.com/csa/help.do The only variation is the form action. It is referencing a

Re: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread pjones
Large images are almost always better off as jpegs. The exception being images that use lots of flat color and/or text. Photoshop's Save for web features easily got this image down to 37K with similar visible quality. But you certainly don't need Photoshop. There are many shareware/freeware

Re: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:19:48 -0600, Charles Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: Any suggestions on bringing the file size down? I've tried interlacing the .gif the current size is the lowest without image degradation. Just for comparison, I took the image into PaintShopPro

Re: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Laura Gugliermetti
Hi, For this kind of images jpg works a lot better (keeping that kind of photographic detail). I used fireworks keeping a good quality and the file is 50kb. I can send the file if you want. bye Laura On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:19:48 -0600, Charles Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Kennon

Re: [WSG] background loading issue[Problem Solved]

2004-12-16 Thread Chris Kennon
On Thursday, December 16, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, Any suggestions on bringing the file size down? I've tried interlacing the .gif the current size is the lowest without image degradation. CK Thanks for the compliment on the background. Any other suggestions or critique of

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
russ - maxdesign wrote: Start at the beginning. If you want to style every a element on the page, you can do: a:link { color: red;} Not quite true; that will only style anchors which have a href attribute. If, for some reason you have one without a href (although I can't think of a good reason

RE: [WSG] my form field looks like the girl that chewed gum on willy Wonkas

2004-12-16 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Everyone This brings up a good topic. Apparently, my problem arises from creating a div with an id=search to place a search box in part of the page. This is currently commented out. Then, I used search as the id of an input field to relate to a label. So, the input is grabbing the styles

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-16 Thread russ - maxdesign
Not quite true; that will only style anchors which have a href attribute. If, for some reason you have one without a href (although I can't think of a good reason to have an anchor without a href for which there isn't a better, more semantic alternative), it *will not* be styled. Yes,

[WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Boehmer
What would you recommend is the best way to create a form with a submit button made up of text+image? So what I have planned is the word Search followed by a little icon. The user can click either of them and the form will submit. I am playing with multiple solutions, but have not found anything

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Rene Saarsoo
What if at the first place you write in the document: input type=submit value=Search Which should be OK for any klient. And, if the browser happens to support DOM correctly, you remove it with Javascript and replace with: a href=javascript:submitForm()Search/a input type=image src=button.gif

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread JohnyB
But I have noticed some browsers completely ignore input styles. Yes, but it is partly a good thing - some elements should really be rendered by the system GUI... See http://www.pixy.cz/blog/obrazky/styled-forms.gif for comparison. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz |

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andreas Boehmer wrote: What would you recommend is the best way to create a form with a submit button made up of text+image? So what I have planned is the word Search followed by a little icon. The user can click either of them and the form will submit. I am playing with multiple solutions, but

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
SOLUTION 1: BUTTON Search img src=button.gif alt=Search /BUTTON Problem: Doesn't work in older browsers (e.g. NN4). Eh, another good solution spoiled by this zombie. a href=javascript:submitForm()Search/a Forget hackish href=javascript:. Use onclick instead. To make this less evil you could put

Re: [WSG] styling :first-line Pseudo-element

2004-12-16 Thread Rob Mientjes
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:02:25 +0930, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a class .pmi in my page and I want style the first line of differently so that the first line is smaller than the second line. The code below doesn't seem to work and I was wondering if it was because of the

Re: [WSG] styling :first-line Pseudo-element

2004-12-16 Thread Rene Saarsoo
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:02:25 +0930, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .pmi p:first-line { font-size: 1.2em; } this should be: p.pmi:first-line { font-size: 1.2em; } But using the 'br' isn't any good too. Maybe this line with the br should be instead a heading followed with a paragraph? Rene

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Lindsay Evans
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:52:15 -0800, Andreas Boehmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you recommend is the best way to create a form with a submit button made up of text+image? So what I have planned is the word Search followed by a little icon. The user can click either of them and the form

Re: [WSG] styling :first-line Pseudo-element

2004-12-16 Thread James Bennett
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:27 -, Rene Saarsoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But using the 'br' isn't any good too. Maybe this line with the br should be instead a heading followed with a paragraph? Depending on how many of these items there are, a definition list might work well also. -- May

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-16 Thread Natalie Buxton
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:32:15 +0800, Vicki Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP however even that will be limited by the CMS they are going to use. /SNIP Why do organisations (be they private or public) continue to blame a CMS for things like poor validity and accessibility? Choosing a CMS that

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Generally if the submit button is just a stylised button with search or submit as foreground text then I show them some mockups that style the button using css (removing the border, using a background image). If it's more complex than that, with an icon or a non-standard font then a carefully

[WSG] repositioning markup

2004-12-16 Thread Tim Burgan
Hello, If I have an XHTML document containing tags in the order: h1Heading One/h1 pParagraph/p h2Heading Two/h2 pParagraph/p How are these tags styled with CSS so that there are positioned in and out of order on the page with no relation to each other.. but when viewed in a text browser it

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-16 Thread heretic
Hi, Michael Wilson wrote: What would you consider to be the key standards and accessibility settings for Dreamweaver that some of us might be overlooking? The settings I recommend to people at work Accessibility tab: Enable all of the Show Attributes when Inserting options Code Format

Re: [WSG] repositioning markup

2004-12-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Tim Burgan wrote: How are these tags styled with CSS so that there are positioned in and out of order on the page with no relation to each other.. but when viewed in a text browser it viewed in it's original order. It can be done using a combination of floats, positioning, and margins

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
The problem is the input style doesn't work in all browsers. In particular Opera and some of the Mac browsers will ignore them, if I remember correctly. Current version of Opera does excellent job with styling input elements. Opera even lets you change border on checkbox elements. I haven't

[WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-16 Thread Mani Sheriar
Hi Everyone! This is my first post to this group after reading it for a while. I must say, Im kinda scared to post to you guys! However, I really need your help. I think I may have found the Holy Grail that 3-column css liquid layout that allows for different colors and/or

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-16 Thread Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE
Title: Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layou I think I may have found the Holy Grail Š that 3-column css liquid layout What I need help with is this: I have checked this out on Mozilla, FireFox, Netscape, and IE all on the pc. Can anyone who is interested please check it out

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Boehmer
The problem is the input style doesn't work in all browsers. In particular Opera and some of the Mac browsers will ignore them, if I remember correctly. Current version of Opera does excellent job with styling input elements. Hmmm... I have tried to hide the border of an input field

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-16 Thread Mani Sheriar
Checked (OK) Safari 1.2.4 OS X (Mac) Opera 6.0.3 (Mac) Netscape 7.1 OS X (Mac) Minor bugs IE 5.2 OS X (Mac): extra padding added to the width of the left and right columns Screenshot: http://www.motive.co.nz/temp/041217-hoygrail.gif (could be a known CSS bug related to IE

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-16 Thread Natalie Buxton
I love the implementation of the HTML and CSS. But um, could you please turn off HTML in your email? THE AMAZINGLY LARGE TYPE IS SENDING ME BLIND. Thanks :) On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:33:58 -0600, Mani Sheriar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Checked (OK) Safari 1.2.4 OS X (Mac) Opera

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-16 Thread Hugh Todd
Anyone come up with, or implemented, a 3-column layout of this sort in which the left and right columns also stretch as a percentage of the page width? -Hugh Todd I think I may have found the Holy Grail that 3-column css liquid layout that allows for different colors and/or backgrounds for

Closed ..... Re: [WSG] SiteCheck please

2004-12-16 Thread James Ellis
Hi This thread is closed and the thread starter has been removed by Russ (again). Reminder: When responding to a site check, please use constructive criticism. Destructive criticism is scaring off our new members from posting. If you really don't like a page/site, take it off list. Cheers

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-16 Thread James Ellis
Dreamweaver does, however, still fail on the object tag, especilly for the Flash template. Hi David Have your tried exporting a compliant template from Flash itself? Not sure if you can do this in DW? I did some experiments in this last year http://www.webqs.com/experiment.php?id=15

Re: [WSG] CSS rounded box generator

2004-12-16 Thread Rick Faaberg
first of all, greetings and let me introduce myself. I'm Carlos Rincón a web programmer of Neurotic (http://www.neuroticweb.com), a spanish web designers company. I've just made a frontend of Hard Grog Cafe CSS rounded box generator. http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/css-rounded-box/

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread James Ellis
Hi The correct syntax is border : none; Cheers James input{border:0;} ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

[WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread russ - maxdesign
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.css-praxis.de/cssocean/zenoc ean.css Make sure you look in a good browser and scroll down! Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Remember to put the ean.css on the end! I was marvelling at a fantastic page of unstyled content (which shows how table free code is useful when styles are turned off!) then saw the URL was incomplete... Cheers James On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:36:18 +1100, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread Todd Baker
hang on a sec.. Ill just pick my jaw up of the ground Thats amazing. On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:36:18 +1100, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.css-praxis.de/cssocean/zenoc ean.css Make sure you look in a good browser and scroll down!

[WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE
SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either through the use of: - an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated) - an emphasis tag emPublication/em -

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Leslie Riggs
Maybe I'm not fully understanding your question, but what about having a class (call it pub or whatever) and then defining font-style: italic in the CSS? Leslie Riggs SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-16 Thread David McDonald
A few other things to be aware of with Contribute 3: You cannot edit pages that use server side includes. To be able to see the page in it's entirety, you have to instead use Dreamweaver Templates of Library Items. Doing this then ties you to Macromedia's proprietary standards , rather than

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Boehmer
Hi The correct syntax is border : none; Cheers James input{border:0;} Thanks, but even that does not seem to work in my version of Opera. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread Hugh Todd
Russ, I see it beautifully in Safari, but in Firefox only a blue background and tiny Times Roman text. What the...? -Hugh Todd http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.css-praxis.de/ cssocean/zenoc ean.css Make sure you look in a good browser and scroll down!

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Mike Brown
SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either through the use of: - an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated) - an emphasis tag emPublication/em -

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread Natalie Buxton
Worked a treat in Friefox Win. Really lovely. On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:28:30 +1100, Hugh Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ, I see it beautifully in Safari, but in Firefox only a blue background and tiny Times Roman text. What the...? -Hugh Todd

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE
Maybe I'm not fully understanding your question, but what about having a class (call it pub or whatever) and then defining font-style: italic in the CSS? Creating a custom class will yield the desired visual effect, however the class pub has no semantic value. Compare this to text marked-up

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Jeff - Accessibility 1st
I would use the CITE tag, quoteCite: contains a citation or a reference to other sources/quote (http://www.w3.org/TR/html4?struct/text.html#h-9.2.1) if this is what you're after. Cheers Jeff On 17/12/04 4:05 PM, Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread Gary Menzel
Works fine in my copy of Firefox. Very nice crab. Gary On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:28:30 +1100, Hugh Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] I I see it beautifully in Safari, but in Firefox only a blue background and tiny Times Roman text. What the...? ** The

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Natalie Buxton
Cite isn't really appropriate is it? CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication. On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:31:22 +1300 (NZDT), Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread Leslie Riggs
Now THIS is what makes designing with CSS fun!! I just love this. Leslie Riggs http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.css-praxis.de/cssocean/zenoc ean.css Make sure you look in a good browser and scroll down! Russ ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Mike Brown
Natalie Buxton said: Cite isn't really appropriate is it? CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication. well, I think it *is* a reference to [an]other source. Although I think the specs could be clearer!

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread Hugh Todd
OK, Maybe I shouldn't have installed the final version of Firefox without deleting earlier versions and/or support files. You've prompted me to delete Firefox's Application Support. Revisiting the site... I see the crab! I see it all! And the blue background is more seamless than in the

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-16 Thread Michael Efford
Hi Natalie et al, We here at Cube 7 just finished ArtsEdge, a WA Government Department site. It's all fancy pants standard xhtml and css (with a smidge of flash) and uses Contribute for its CMS along with some custom backend for the events module. check it out:

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE
Title: Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication. Seems that the intended use is stretched to include marking-up a publication title using the cite tag (when not

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles

2004-12-16 Thread Liddy Nevile
Dublin Core has a working group that have spent a lot of time on this. they didn't get very far for a long time but recently they seem to have got it right - I suggest you take a look there. http://dublincore.org/groups/citation (I think) There is a difference between citation and related

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-16 Thread Michael Efford
You can edit pages which contain SSI's, just not any of the content IN the SSI's. This is the perfect way to lock parts of the design you don't want the client to touch. No need for DW Templates at all! :) On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:22:38 +1100, David McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few other

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-16 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey David You cannot edit pages that use server side includes. To be able to see the page in it's entirety, you have to instead use Dreamweaver Templates of Library Items. Huh? You can't edit content that is being included, so if I have mypage.shtml and includes header.html, I can edit the

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-16 Thread heretic
You can edit pages which contain SSI's, just not any of the content IN the SSI's. This is the perfect way to lock parts of the design you don't want the client to touch. No need for DW Templates at all! :) Slightly OT, but anyway: Is there a way to get DW to display the contents of SSIs on a

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-16 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Sammy ***disclaimer*** I work for a Macromedia partner. I do lots of MM related stuff and like *some* of their gear a fair bit (esp. Coldfusion and Contribute). ...But I have my WSG hat on when on this list - not my MM hat. * Yes I've done a fair bit of this over the past 6

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Roger Johansson
On 17 dec 2004, at 01.36, Andreas Boehmer wrote: The problem is the input style doesn't work in all browsers. In particular Opera and some of the Mac browsers will ignore them, if I remember correctly. A couple of months ago, I spent hours (or was it days?) making screenshots of styled form

[WSG] IE img border padding error

2004-12-16 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi all Was wondering if someone has some time to check out this *in progress* page I'm working on: http://www.xert.com.au/workshop/pbyron628/ I have validated the XHTML and CSS and it appears to be OK on Firefox, Safari, NS 7.0, Opera 7.5, IE Mac 5.2.3, but NOT in IE Win 6. The problem is

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-16 Thread David Laakso
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:36:18 +1100, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.css-praxis.de/cssocean/zenoc ean.css Make sure you look in a good browser and scroll down! Russ Thanks Russ, but as for myself, I believe I like the unpretentious

[WSG] SiteCheck please

2004-12-16 Thread Sabrina xxx
http://PirateQueen.tk let me knowwhat you think :) xx Heb je MSN WebMessenger al ontdekt? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the

[WSG] noscript in xhtml1.0 strict

2004-12-16 Thread Nick Verstappen
Is the noscript tag not allowed anymore in XHTML 1.0 Strict? I'm trying to use it, but it does not validate. If it IS allowed, what markup should I use to make it validate? Many thanks! Nick ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Charles Martin
Nick Verstappen wrote: You should at least add a (white, or light grey) background color to the body or div with the main content. If you do, users can start reading the content even when the background isn't loaded yet (or does nog load at all). Excellent suggestion... I did notice that the

Re: [WSG] SiteCheck please

2004-12-16 Thread Sabrina xxx
??? html 4.01 is the best :) From: David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] SiteCheck please Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:38:26 + Sabrina xxx wrote: http://PirateQueen.tk http://piratequeen.tk/ let me know what you think :) xx %@

Re: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Any suggestions on bringing the file size down? I've tried interlacing the .gif the current size is the lowest without image degradation. CK Thanks for the compliment on the background. Any other suggestions or critique of the design is welcome off-list On Thursday, December 16, 2004, at

Re: [WSG] my form field looks like the girl that chewed gum on willy Wonkas

2004-12-16 Thread pjones
In your forms.css file, this line is causing the problem: #search {width:215px; clear:left; padding-top:15px; } Change the padding-top to 1px or something and it looks normal. Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] my form field looks like the girl that chewed gum on willy Wonkas

2004-12-16 Thread Ryan Short
We have plenty of forms on our site and they all behave pretty well, except our search box. The coding is exactly the same, the style sheets are the same, but the text input box is huge! http://www.csatravelprotection.com/csa/help.do The only variation is the form action. It is referencing a

Re: [WSG] my form field looks like the girl that chewed gum on willy Wonkas

2004-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
Check all your styles relating to #search... which appear to be set up for a form. However, your form is contained in #stack, and #search is simply an input. The extra height is caused by padding. The fix is: 1. replace #search with #stack in your css, or 2. change #stack to #search in your

RE: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Ted Drake
this is the style we use for our submit button input.submit { border: 3px double #999; border-top-color: #ccc; border-left-color: #ccc; padding: 0.15em; background: #feb333 url(../images/o.gif) repeat-x 0 0; color: #333; font-weight: bold;

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-16 Thread Vicki Berry
Hi Kay et al, Coming in late here. I couldn't find the original post so am not quite clear about the new common badging apparently to be released? Will that change the Office of the E-Govt design guidelines which say at http://www.egov.dpc.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=guidelines.design

[WSG] styling :first-line Pseudo-element

2004-12-16 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi, can anyone help me with this please. I have a class .pmi in my page and I want style the first line of differently so that the first line is smaller than the second line. The code below doesn't seem to work and I was wondering if it was because of the br/ tag in my html. p class=pmiRead

Re: [WSG] styling :first-line Pseudo-element

2004-12-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a class .pmi in my page and I want style the first line of differently so that the first line is smaller than the second line. The code below doesn't seem to work and I was wondering if it was because of the br/ tag in my html. .pmi p:first-line To make it work,

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-16 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:52:38 +0800, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the main problems with the WA gov sites is that a little over two years ago a large number of govt departments got amalgamated. Most of my peers have spent the last couple of years trying to get three, four or

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-16 Thread Vicki Berry
Natalie Buxton wrote: Why do organisations (be they private or public) continue to blame a CMS for things like poor validity and accessibility? Choosing a CMS that comforms the the requirements of well-formed valid (X)HTML and CSS, as well as good usability and accessibility should surely be

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Andreas Boehmer
Andreas Boehmer wrote: What would you recommend is the best way to create a form with a submit button made up of text+image? So what I have planned is the word Search followed by a little icon. The user can click either of them and the form will submit. How about using a normal submit

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