Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Felix Miata
tee wrote: Hi accessible care takers, I know open new window even for external site is no good and have put it in practise for most sites I have done, however I am kind of stuck on a site that has over 100 links to external sites. My client, understands no accessible issues however she

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Jackie Reid
Hello Tee I am currently working on a site with the nils org here who are accessibility gurus and they have recommended that should i have to open a new window i should use this code a href=http://www.siteurl.com.au; title=Opens in a New Window onclick=window.open(this.href); return false;

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread designer
Hi Tee, All I can say is that, as a sighted viewer, if I encountered a site with 100 links, each of which which opened in the same window, I'd be outa there faster than you can say 'back button' :-) I've been wondering of late if there is another way out of this: just like we can change

[WSG] Misbehaving DL in TD

2005-08-25 Thread Sean SPALDING
Hi all, This page (http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/users/sean/webdev/flobo.htm) has a styled DL in a table. In IE the 2nd, 3rd, etc DDs for each DT slip left under the DT. FF doesn't do this. If I remove everything except the DL list styling it works

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Vicki Berry
Hi Tee, Why not say in the text of the page, opens in new browser window in parentheses after the link? (If it's a pdf or other file type, state that here as well, together with the file size.) The WCAG says you should warn people and in *most* cases adding in the warning works well. A lot of

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
Vicki Berry Why not say in the text of the page, opens in new browser window in parentheses after the link? I'd say not *after* the link, but *as part of* the link. If a user is tabbing between links, they will not get to the text after the link itself.

Re: [WSG] Misbehaving DL in TD

2005-08-25 Thread Peter Asquith
Sean SPALDING wrote: This page (http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/users/sean/webdev/flobo.htm) has a styled DL in a table. In IE the 2nd, 3rd, etc DDs for each DT slip left under the DT. Any suggestions? Hi Sean One suggestion would be to float the dd elements right and use their width and

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Vicki Berry
Patrick Lauke wrote: I'd say not *after* the link, but *as part of* the link. If a user is tabbing between links, they will not get to the text after the link itself. Good point, Patrick! Thanks. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog:

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
tee wrote: done, however I am kind of stuck on a site that has over 100 links to external sites. My client, understands no accessible issues however she was willing to take many of my suggestions, except the NO 'open new window' to external sites. Her argument is valid and justifiable, that

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi All I am finishing up an essay on opening pdf files in new windows, using feedback from this list to justify the argument. Thiery has written a great javascript to look for pdf attributes in links and add class, title, and behavior to the link dynamically. I will let you know when I upload it

RE: [WSG] Misbehaving DL in TD

2005-08-25 Thread Drake, Ted C.
I agree with Peter, the float:left, float:right is the easiest way to handle this situation. Play around with the percentages to get the right amount of space between the columns, but give yourself some slop factor to avoid any problems with the two columns not fitting. You could also float the

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Paul Novitski
At 01:39 AM 8/25/2005, designer wrote: All I can say is that, as a sighted viewer, if I encountered a site with 100 links, each of which which opened in the same window, I'd be outa there faster than you can say 'back button' :-) I've been wondering of late if there is another way out of

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Janelle Clemens
I find it very confusing. The policy we use for our corporate website is to open a new browser window for external links with target=top title=This link will open in a new browser window. Who says opening a new window is bad practice. Especially if it is an outside link. I've been searching

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi Janelle Regardless of your window philosophy, I think using target=top is asking for trouble. That is a common target for pages with frames. I would at least suggest using a target name that is not part of the frame architecture. That is why most people used target=_blank. There are better

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread designer
Hi Paul, You're right of course: I do that too. However, I really do think that most folk don't know about right-clicking in the way you describe, so it's not so much a case of choosing as knowing that you can. I suppose one could always put that option clearly as a line of text, viz: To

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Paul Novitski
At 11:00 AM 8/25/2005, Janelle Clemens wrote: Who says opening a new window is bad practice. Especially if it is an outside link. I've been searching the web for information on this and finding nothing. My understanding of web accessibility and 508 is to make everything as clear a possible.

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Drake, Ted C. wrote: Regardless of your window philosophy, I think using target=top is asking for trouble. That is a common target for pages with frames. I would at least suggest using a target name that is not part of the frame architecture. That is why

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Jackie Reid wrote: a href=http://www.siteurl.com.au; title=Opens in a New Window onclick=window.open(this.href); return false; onkeypress=window.open(this.href); return false;External link here/a this is detailed in the juicy studio article here

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Ben Curtis wrote: 1- link replaces current document (no target or js new window) 2- link always opens new window (target=_blank or js equivalent with unnamed window, e.g., window.open(this.href,'',winOptions);) I agree, the opener getting focus each time the user clicks on a link create

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Janelle Clemens
Does the reader not read the title tag which states Link will open in a new browser window.?I thought that is why we use the title tag to give more info on the link. Thank you all for explaining the use of target=top.I will be discussing this with my manager and hopefully we will start

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Janelle Clemens wrote: Does the reader not read the title tag which states Link will open in a new browser window.?I thought that is why we use the title tag to give more info on the link. Not always. Depends on verbosity settings of screen readers, which in many cases don't have that

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 25, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Ben Curtis wrote: 1- link replaces current document (no target or js new window) 2- link always opens new window (target=_blank or js equivalent with unnamed window, e.g., window.open(this.href,'',winOptions);) I agree, the opener

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread Janelle Clemens
Being there are so many things to consider how do you code to compensate for everything. Or which things do you focus on or ignore?Are there stats on what readers or other usability devices are being used and by how many people and what their limitations are and differences between them?

Re: [WSG] Accessibility, the possibilities

2005-08-25 Thread James Gollan
Just out of interest Stuart, do you feel that there is a contrast issue in your article heading text? On my screens the bg grey is quite dark. Cheers James Stuart Sherwood wrote: Thanks John, It took a while but the answer I was looking for came along. Thank you! Your web site is very

[WSG] Font-size em and reseting within

2005-08-25 Thread Janelle Clemens
If you are using em with font-size is there is a way to clear the font-size of a box element (stop the inheritance)?I am having a hard time explaining myself so maybe an example would be better. So if you have this code, the More text would be 0.80em relation to the 0.90em. div

Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Maybe something like: div#something *{ font-size: 0.9em; } On Aug 25, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Janelle Clemens wrote: If you are using em with font-size is there is a way to clear the font-size of a box element (stop the inheritance)?I am having a hard time explaining myself so maybe

RE: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within

2005-08-25 Thread Buddy Quaid
I don't believe you can stop the inheritance. You should try using the keywords which are relative to the users font-size setting. Xx-small x-small small etc... Otherwise you might can try mixing and matching percentages with ems? I have not tried it but maybe something like: div style=font-size:

[WSG] Press Release - Party Politics Exclude the Disabled

2005-08-25 Thread Bruce Aylward
Title: Press Release - Party Politics Exclude the Disabled Party Politics Exclude the Disabled Political party websites discriminate against people with disabilities 26 August 2005 – A recent survey by W 3 A Limited of the accessibility of the big 6 political party home pages in NZ has

Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within

2005-08-25 Thread Geoff Deering
Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:51:00 -0700, Janelle Clemens wrote: If you are using em with font-size is there is a way to clear the font-size of a box element (stop the inheritance)? No, not really. I normally get around this by only setting font-size in two places, as

Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within

2005-08-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Chris Kennon wrote: div#something *{ font-size: 0.9em; } That's the quickest way of producing an ever decreasing cascade of font sizes for every level of nesting you have within div#something...so not really. -- Patrick H. Lauke __

Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within

2005-08-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Geoff Deering wrote: I'm just wondering how people handle the IE text resizing problem, where IE handles percentages much more accurately than em? You can safely use ems as long as your highest font size is something else, like %. For instance, as long as you have something like html {

Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within

2005-08-25 Thread Geoff Deering
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Geoff Deering wrote: I'm just wondering how people handle the IE text resizing problem, where IE handles percentages much more accurately than em? You can safely use ems as long as your highest font size is something else, like %. For instance, as long as you have

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread tee
Hi everyone, thank you for the feedback, I greatly appreciate. Sorry for the slow response but I want to gather as many feedback as possible, then absorb it, so that I can present a better approach for my client. Terrence, thanks for the suggestion. I am going to ask my client for her

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

2005-08-25 Thread David Hucklesby
Hi Tee, Sorry about the delay. I am behind on my emails. :-) Should you decide to use Thierry's solution, there's a variant in Sitepoint's new book you may like. It adds a checkbox so the surfer can choose the behavior they want. It is described in Chapter three as Creating Smarter Links.