Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

2007-04-27 Thread Michael Shaw
Valid documents are well-formed, well-formedness is a condition of validity. Katrina wrote: Gday all, I've been pondering this for a few days and I was wondering what other people's take on this is: David Hammond suggests that validity is not well-formedness, in that a document can be

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

2007-04-27 Thread Tim
Are these documents really well-formed, they may validate. but with warnings you should not ignore. Warning Line 8 column 72: character is the first character of a delimiter but occurred as data. ...ML 1.0 Strict, but it isn't well-formed XML. /p Warning Line 8 column 72: character is

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

2007-04-27 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 27 Apr 2007, at 08:41:53, Katrina wrote: David Hammond suggests that validity is not well-formedness, in that a document can be well-formed and not valid, but could also be !!! valid and not well-formed. http://www.webdevout.net/articles/validity-and-well-

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

2007-04-27 Thread Katrina
Does the W3C validation mention well-formedness? No. But since the definition of valid includes well-formed, well-formed documents should not validate. Please do not quote Wikipedia, when the W3C sets authoritative documentation. The point with the Wikipedia was to show that it wasn't

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

2007-04-27 Thread Katrina
But since the definition of valid includes well-formed, well-formed documents should not validate. Blame it on being Friday night! I meant: mal-formed documents should not validate. Kat *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

2007-04-27 Thread Barney Carroll
Aside from namespace issues, validation deals principally with well-formedness, as far as I'm aware. If someone really believes the W3C is of no concern to people focused on building well-formed documents, they should tell us what definition of well-formed they are using. Otherwise this

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

2007-04-27 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 09:39:16AM +0100, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: He says that they are perfectly valid from an SGML point of view but not well-formed. I think he believes that the validator only uses an SGML parser, but it will use an XML parser when appropriate (XHTML served with the

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2007-04-27 Thread Randall, Wayne \(NIH/NCI\) [C]
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Re: [WSG] Disappearing positioned footer in IE7 - works in IE6

2007-04-27 Thread al morris
Sorry, I should have mentioned it only works in Strict mode. This is an excellent example of why not to use hacks, but use your design skills. Agreed, it's a mess, but Cole asked for a hack version. Conditional comments is the best method. On 4/25/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[WSG] OL and padding

2007-04-27 Thread Mark Arnold
All, I've come across a minor issue (may be no issue at all) that perhaps more experienced be able to provide insight. Applying padding to the container (or the OL for that matter), only applies to the text but not to the numbering??? Can folks provide an insight. See atached. The pertinent css

[WSG] Will HTML5 be a purely presentational language?

2007-04-27 Thread Laura Carlson
The following may be of interest to web standards folk who haven't been keeping up with the HTML Working Group and where HTML5 is headed: On 4/26/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [1]: There are people strongly arguing that HTML should be a purely presentational language, much, much

Re: [WSG] OL and padding

2007-04-27 Thread Mark Arnold
Nevermind all. I found a work around. On 4/27/07, Mark Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've come across a minor issue (may be no issue at all) that perhaps more experienced be able to provide insight. Applying padding to the container (or the OL for that matter), only applies to the