RE: [WSG] character codes and accessibility

2009-12-07 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Luc, As regards the question what does a screen reader do? I'm afraid I've no idea. I think this is best served with the image. One image in the CSS as opposed to multiple character codes in the HTML. Yup, but a wanted to stray away from the tradional path ;-) What i was worried about

[WSG] character codes and accessibility

2009-11-14 Thread Luc
Good evening list, When you use a character code, e.g. #x00BB; as a list marker (hardcoded in the li), how is that interpreted by a speech browser? Does the user hear those characters as they appear or are they converted into 'double right arrow'? Might be a stupid question but it would prevent

Re: [WSG] character codes and accessibility

2009-11-14 Thread John Unsworth
Hi Luc, I might suggest that 'double right arrow' is purely presentational and not 'semantically' relevant, so it's not such a good idea to muddy up the HTML with extraneous code. If you want to avoid using a background image you could write your CSS in a 'progressive enhancement' fashion by

Re: [WSG] character codes and accessibility

2009-11-14 Thread Luc
Hello John, JU I might suggest that 'double right arrow' is purely presentational and JU not 'semantically' relevant, so it's not such a good idea to muddy up JU the HTML with extraneous code. If you want to avoid using a background JU image you could write your CSS in a 'progressive

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-06 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:11 AM, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Kristine Cummins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me how to fix this W3C warning – I'm new to understanding this part.

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-05 Thread David Hucklesby
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Kristine Cummins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me how to fix this W3C warning – I'm new to understanding this part. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beverlywilson.com%2F On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:15:19 -0400, Nikita The Spider

[WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-04 Thread Kristine Cummins
Can someone tell me how to fix this W3C warning - I'm new to understanding this part. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beverlywilson.com%2F Thanks! *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-04 Thread Tim Offenstein
At 1:16 PM -0700 4/4/08, Kristine Cummins wrote: Can someone tell me how to fix this W3C warning - I'm new to understanding this part. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beverlywilson.com%2Fhttp://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beverlywilson.com%2F Thanks! In

RE: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-04 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Can someone tell me how to fix this W3C warning - I'm new to understanding this part. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beverlywilson.com%2F Change this tag in your head section: meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 / To: meta

RE: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-04 Thread Kristine Cummins
FIXED. The URL below will not show any warnings now. Thanks again. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Offenstein Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch At 1:16 PM -0700 4/4/08, Kristine

RE: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-04 Thread Andrew Cunningham
The advice below is sufficient if your content is limited to characters in the ISO-8859-1 repertoire If you are using any characters outside this repertoire on the site, then i wouldn't use this approach. As indicated in a previous email, you could ask your web master to change the default

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2008-04-04 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Kristine Cummins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me how to fix this W3C warning – I'm new to understanding this part. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beverlywilson.com%2F Kristine, If your server is already specifying the character

Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Collins
Ishida To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch Thanks, Susan, for pointing to that stuff.Paul, you if you're using Apache you may also find this particularly useful:"Setting 'charset' inform

RE: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-22 Thread Richard Ishida
/International/ http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susanne Jäger Sent: 10 November 2005 12:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Character encoding

[WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-10 Thread Paul Collins
I am getting the followingwarningwhen I validate my pages: -- Character Encoding mismatch! The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (iso-8859-1) is different from the value in the meta element (utf-8). I will use the value from the HTTP header

Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-10 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
2005/11/10, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am getting the following warning when I validate my pages: -- Character Encoding mismatch! The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (iso-8859-1) is different from the value in the meta element (utf-8). I will use the

Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-10 Thread Lloyd
Instead of: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8;/ Try: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 / This will match what your web server is sending, otherwise change your web server config if you can :-) Lloyd On 11/10/05, Paul Collins [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-10 Thread Susanne Jäger
Paul Collins wrote, On 10.11.2005 12:44: I thought this was the correct way to add special characters for XHTML, but what I am reading now seems to contradict this. This is the part of standards where I get a bit confused. Does anyone have any advice or know of some good articles where they

Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-10 Thread Paul Collins
That seems to work, thanks heaps Rimantas - Original Message - From: Rimantas Liubertas To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch 2005/11/10, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I

Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-10 Thread Paul Collins
Thanks Susanne, that's a really good reference. Cheers,Paul - Original Message - From: Susanne Jäger To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch Paul Collins wrote, On 10.11.2005 12

RE: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-10 Thread Richard Ishida
Street Sent: 04 June 2005 03:52 To: Web Standards Group mailing list Subject: [WSG] Character encoding I've always thought that characters should be marked up with appropriate entity codes (for example, accented letters, etc.) in (X)HTML, rather than simply pasted in and left for character

Re: [WSG] Character encoding (HTML Tidy)

2005-06-05 Thread Geoff Deering
Gene Falck wrote: Tidy is one of the programs I have been thinking of getting, so I would like to hear about any bugs and bug fixes. Regards, Gene Falck Tidy has evolved from it's beginning with Dave Raggett. Like many tools, it's great when you learn how to use it, and to work with

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-05 Thread Vaska . WSG
For some reason, I feel I have to escape every character that is not a letter or number. I was feeling the same, and working on it, when this thread arrived. At the time it appeared I was looking up numeric entity lists in Cyrillic and adapting them to a conversion_map function (for PHP).

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-05 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
Vaska.WSG wrote: For some reason, I feel I have to escape every character that is not a letter or number. I was feeling the same, and working on it, when this thread arrived. At the time it appeared I was looking up numeric entity lists in Cyrillic and adapting them to a conversion_map

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-04 Thread Jan Brasna
I've always thought that characters should be marked up with appropriate entity codes... It's just always felt dirty seeing certain characters not written in their appropriate entity codes. Eh, maybe on anglo-saxon websites... The rest of the world has a different opinion ;) -- Jan Brasna

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-04 Thread Lea de Groot
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:07:48 -0500, Matt Thommes wrote: For instance, I always escape a dash (-) with #8211;--- when using it in a normal sentence. Thats interesting - I escape such entities as ampersands () and double quotes (), but not things such as hyphens. What benefits or problems

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-04 Thread Geoff Deering
Matt Thommes wrote: What benefits or problems avoided do you perceive by doing this and what other characters are you escaping? Lea, I'm not sure why I always escape the dash - perhaps because I can??? :) I am assuming the dash will someday cause me problems, so I just escape it now, to

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-04 Thread Paul Novitski
At 04:36 PM 6/4/2005, Lea de Groot wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:07:48 -0500, Matt Thommes wrote: For instance, I always escape a dash (-) with #8211;--- when using it in a normal sentence. Thats interesting - I escape such entities as ampersands () and double quotes (), but not things

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-04 Thread Lea de Groot
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:56:16 -0500, Matt Thommes wrote: For some reason, I feel I have to escape every character that is not a letter or number. OK, I'm always up for new Best Practices, but I do need some basis for adopting changes. I escape double quotes and ampersands because of the HTML

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-04 Thread Gene Falck
Hi Matt You wrote: Lea, I'm not sure why I always escape the dash - perhaps because I can??? :) I am assuming the dash will someday cause me problems, so I just escape it now, to avoid a lot of re-work. I don't expect an unescaped dash to cause trouble as it has, AFAIK, no meanings in code.

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-04 Thread Gene Falck
Hi Geoff, You wrote: ... I know I have developed sites in the past that I have felt pretty confident have been a good attempt at best of practice, but age sure shows their vintage, and I am not talking about the CSS, just thinking of the (X)HTML. LOL--that's quite nice compared to what I

[WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-03 Thread Joshua Street
I've always thought that characters should be marked up with appropriate entity codes (for example, accented letters, etc.) in (X)HTML, rather than simply pasted in and left for character encoding and the user agent to take care of. I've written a plugin for the WordPress weblog software that

Re: [WSG] Character encoding

2005-06-03 Thread Joshua Street
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 23:42 -0400, Vlad Alexander wrote: Hi Joshua, If you are serving your content as Unicode (UTF-16 or UTF-8), then there is no need to use entities. If you do need to escape characters and you are using XHTML, then it's best to use their decimal values rather than

Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Peter J. Farrell
Lee wrote: Hello Listpeople, Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for ® ? Can't you use the standard registered entity reference: reg;? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/ section C-12. Best, .Peter -- Peter J. Farrell :: Maestro Publishing blog:: http://blog.maestropublishing.com email ::

Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Joshua Street
registered trademark reg; #174; Copied and pasted from http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_entitiesref.asp On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:58 +0100, Lee wrote: Hello Listpeople, Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for ? Kind Regards, Joshua Street base10solutions Website:

[WSG] Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:58:08 +0100, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for ? #174; You should avoid all named entities in XHTML, except quot, amp, lt, gt. For all other characters use unicode encoding or numeric unicode entity reference. -- regards,

Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Lee
Seems to validate - many thanks! Lee Joshua Street wrote: registered trademark reg; #174; Copied and pasted from http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_entitiesref.asp On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:58 +0100, Lee wrote: Hello Listpeople, Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for ? Kind

Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread john
I believe it's reg; ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Design http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter on 5/17/2005 11:58 AM Lee said the following: Hello Listpeople, Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for ® ? ** The

Re: [WSG] Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Lee
Why might that be then? Lee Kornel Lesinski wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:58:08 +0100, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for ? #174; You should avoid all named entities in XHTML, except quot, amp, lt, gt. For all other characters use unicode encoding or

Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Peter J. Farrell
Kornel Lesinski wrote: #174; You should avoid all named entities in XHTML, except quot, amp, lt, gt. For all other characters use unicode encoding or numeric unicode entity reference. Then why does the W3 use it in their example? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/ section c12 -- Peter J. Farrell ::

Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 17 May 2005, at 8:37 pm, Peter J. Farrell wrote: Kornel Lesinski wrote: #174; You should avoid all named entities in XHTML, except quot, amp, lt, gt. For all other characters use unicode encoding or numeric unicode entity reference. Then why does the W3 use it in their example?

Re: [WSG] ® character

2005-05-17 Thread Robin Berjon
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: It is valid for text/html (aka tagsoup). If you serve the document as application/xhtml+xml, then the browser should ignore named entities except the 5 ones (quot, amp, lt, gt and apos). That is not exactly correct. If in a document served as application/xhtml+xml

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-02 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:03:34 +1000, Ben Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your web server (eg Apache) sends the character encoding HTTP header. In order to match up your HTTP header to your meta-equiv you would need to make the change server-side, something you might not have access to do.

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-02 Thread Anders Nawroth
Kay Smoljak wrote: I was under the impression - please correct me if I'm wrong - that if the server is sending the character encoding, there is no need to also have the meta tag. Is there any other reason to include it, client-side? Take a look at:

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-02 Thread Ben Bishop
...if the server is sending the character encoding...Is there any other reason to include it, client-side? ominous toneDid you read the W3C link posted?/ominous tone ;) I can't speak with any authority on this matter, and not meaning to break the unwritten rule of not answering unless you know

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-02 Thread Vincent De Baere
On Friday 02 July 2004 05:03, Ben Bishop wrote: Hi Sage, When I validate my page, I get the following message The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (utf-8) is different from the value in the meta element (iso-8859-1). I'd like to keep the iso-8859-1 value, just because it

[WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-01 Thread Sage Olson
When I validate my page, I get the following message (which doesn't invalidate the page, but I still want to fix it): The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (utf-8) is different from the value in the meta element (iso-8859-1). I will use the value

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Sage Olson wrote: Here's my header: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en That's not you HTTP header. The HTTP headers are sent by the server before even the first byte of your document is

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-01 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Sage, When I validate my page, I get the following message The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (utf-8) is different from the value in the meta element (iso-8859-1). I'd like to keep the iso-8859-1 value, just because it seems to work Your web server (eg Apache) sends the