[WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Carol Doersom
Is there a standards compliant way to force NS4 to put some space between items in my html...besides adding otherwise unneeded br /s after images and links, or wrapping them in ps? I've noticed that it does not put any space between divs. Also, is there a way to prevent NS4 from putting big

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Carol Doersom wrote: Is there a standards compliant way to force NS4 to put some space between items in my html...besides adding otherwise unneeded br /s after images and links, or wrapping them in ps? I've noticed that it does not put any space between divs. Unless I'm missing something, it

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Also, is there a way to prevent NS4 from putting big ugly blue borders around images that are links? If NN4 is still among the browsers you want to support visually, I'd recommend sticking with HTML4 or XHTML1.0 transitional, and still adding the border attribute (which

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:15:11 -, Carol Doersom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a standards compliant way to force NS4 Please, don't support NN4. It's buggy outdated browser. If you start worrying how your page works in NN4, your code will start decaying. If you hide CSS from it, probably

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Please, don't support NN4. Unfortunately, this type of decision often does not rest with the actual developers, but with management or other stakeholders. I'd say it's a dangerous sweeping statement to make. Otherwise - give those poor dinosaurs some reason to upgrade.

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:12:10 -, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kornel Lesinski wrote: Please, don't support NN4. Unfortunately, this type of decision often does not rest with the actual developers, but with management or other stakeholders. True, but management should make

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
True, but management should make educated decision and that means listening to developers. But a developer who doesn't know how to design for NN4 would be biased, no? IMHO, supporting NN4 is a call for: - bad semantic, - structural hacks, - extra hours spent on the project. Out of these three

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Carol Doersom
Hassan Schroeder wrote: Also, is there a way to prevent NS4 from putting big ugly blue borders around images that are links? Or use CSS :-) I am using CSS and just want my pages to degrade nicely in NS4. I'm definitely _not_ going to try to make them match what they look like in up-to-date

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Michael Wilson
Carol Doersom wrote: I can't put margins in for NS4, because they'll mess up my page layout in the up-to-date browsers, so I guess I'll use ps or br /s where necessary. Thanks to all of you for your suggestions! It's really not all that difficult to compensate for NN4. Just use a linked

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Thierry Koblentz wrote: (I believe NN4 doesn't do CSS without JS enabled anyway): Excellent...I wasn't aware of that one; as it sounded a bit strange, I proceeded to test it, and indeed you're right. It must be a bug (as the options for javascript and styles should be completely separate), but a

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:17:35 -, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: (I believe NN4 doesn't do CSS without JS enabled anyway): Excellent...I wasn't aware of that one; as it sounded a bit strange, I proceeded to test it, and indeed you're right. It must be a

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
but a useful one to know for sure. Since we're talking about NN4... Another interesting thing about this browser is the way it handles the noscript tag. In NN4, a simple noscript tags pair can break apart a whole CSS layout; at other times, it can be a great way to clear floats. Once a designer