Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread David Pietersen
Visitors to my State Government site are almost divided exactly in half between 800x600 and 1024x768, based on around 30,000 unique visits per day, and we actually provide 2 versions of our sitethrough testing the res before we render the HTML. There is a growing percentage of those with

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Stevio
For newer sites I try to make them at least good at 800x600 but also like to make sure that things don't get messed up as they get smaller than that. However, if you are using CSS with a 3 col layout you have the problem of IE not having a correct implementation of min-width which means

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Stevio
size (search, history, favourites, etc). Stephen - Original Message - From: David Pietersen To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480? Visitors to my State Government site

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 3 Aug 2005, at 8:58 pm, Michael Kear wrote: For example, I usually design pages that work well in screens 800x600 or larger but in smaller screens, everything will be there but if lines have wrapped horribly or tabs and boxes have dropped down to a new line, I'm not going to worry. Is

RE: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Peter Goddard
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480? On 3 Aug 2005, at 8:58 pm, Michael Kear wrote: For example, I usually design pages that work well in screens 800x600 or larger but in smaller screens, everything will be there but if lines have wrapped horribly or tabs and boxes

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:58:32 +1000, Michael Kear wrote:  Is that what you are all doing nowdays?   What sizes are you  designing for? Personally, I design for the minimum width I can achieve, since I see students at a computer lab I attend switching their monitors to 800 x 600 and NOT maximizing

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread john
There's a philosophy you can adopt of designing with 640x480 in *mind* but which doesn't necessarily meaning designing *for* it. We had a note in our guidelines to the effect that the main content, headline, breadcrumb nav etc should be within the 640x480 area, even if the page itself is much

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread heretic
What sizes are you designing for? For the sites I work on, the majority of the audience has 1024x768 *or better*, but a significant amount (10-25% depending on the site) still have 800x600. So we design for 1024x768, but designs have to remain usable/functional at 800x600 without horizontal

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:27:08 +0100, Stevio wrote: Don't forget however, just because a user has their resolution at 800 by 600 it doesn't mean they view at that size. They might have the browser window smaller than the maximum screen size, or they could have any one of multiple sidebars that

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Francesco Sanfilippo
I'd have to agree with that. Our studies also show maximized browsing for over 90% when users are working at 1280x1024 or below. -- Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Chris Velevitch
What about mobile phones? Isn't anyone taking them into consideration? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Francesco Sanfilippo
I would guess that unless one is aware that mobile phones are a significant population (over a few percent), one could simply detect mobiles and serve them an unstyled page, rendering plain text? This would fit into any browser width if done correctly. Francesco On 8/3/05, Chris Velevitch

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Kris Khaira
Mobile phone issues can be solved by serving separate stylesheets for handheld browsers. It's best to not specify the minimum nor the maximum width of a layout in handheld media stylesheets. -- Kris Khaira Website: http://kriskhaira.com On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Chris Velevitch wrote: